posted on December 6, 2000 05:14:00 PM
rosiebud~ your patience is appreciated. But, what I didn't like and still don't like about VeriSign is that they in one page allow you to do a trademark search, and at the same time allow you to register a site using that same name, providing the name is not already taken as a site name. Sure, they'll supply you with the legal eagles to go and attack the cybersitter, but, while taking monies at both ends. Reminds me of Interarms..selling guns to winners and losers and collecting from both. Just doesn't sit right with me. Auxpal aside. I just emailed a cybersitting thief on their site with our name... sure does make me mad! I still think VeriSign has allot to do to gain full web trust. I don't see why corporations would put so much trust in a company that is not really their friend IMO. (Be patient with me, I'm learning too!
[ edited by Empires on Dec 6, 2000 05:16 PM ]
posted on December 6, 2000 05:14:06 PM
You know the really sad part about this whole deal?
Their site(AuXpal) hasn't really crashed yet and their servers are probably getting hit pretty hard! Plus the listings have more than doubled since this morning. Even Gold's had trouble holding that load during the great Ebay Exodus.
So Dr. Orlando sets up this intricate site, 'forgets' to tell PayPal about his stupendous idea and then gets shut down cause of a little fraudulent use problem. Tsk! Tsk!
1st Site in months to show promise/innovation and it's not even worth the web space it wastes?
posted on December 6, 2000 05:27:28 PM
Empires ~ good points! I can not argue those as I am unfamiliar with those aspects of this company. My knowledge of this company is limited to the parts I've covered. I wish I did know a bit more as I'm sure we could have a very good, friendly, discussion Maybe someone else who's posted to this thread, or who reads it, will be familiar with these practices and will be able to contribute more .. ?
posted on December 6, 2000 05:46:28 PM
I sent a message to Auxpal asking quesions about all of this, here is their reply:
Thanks for the information. As stated on the site, AuXpal is not affiliated
with or endorsed by PayPal. However, we are providing a legitimate service
for PayPal members. In addition to AuXpal, NoBidding, Inc. has been
operating NoBidding.com (http://www.nobidding.com) for almost two years. We
also operate the FeedBack Site at http://www.feedbacksite.com.
It is our intention to provide a unique service for all AuXpal members. In
order to do so, there is certain information that is needed. We view our
information collection to be no different from asking users for a credit
card number. (Remember, all auction sites including eBay require users to
enter a credit card.)
In fact, the information we collect is actually safer than a credit card.
Your PayPal password can be changed within seconds if you need it to be.
Credit cards have to be cancelled. Also, by using your PayPal account on
our site, you have a double layer of protection. PayPal will help protect
you AND your credit card will protect you.
We understand that some users will be skeptical about our system. We also
know that internet fraud is a great concern to the public and to PayPal.
AuXpal is not a site designed to defraud anyone. If it were, I suspect we
would be shut down and arrested by now.
I hope this helps clear up our position in this matter.
posted on December 6, 2000 05:54:53 PM
It would appear that the same person who put up the site also has listed most of the 14,000 items for sale on it.
posted on December 6, 2000 06:29:28 PM
Wow, about 16,000 lisings (15,000 of them in Books and Movies) already and about 30-40 bids. I think I'll jump on the band wagon.
Someone mentioned site stability... I have mutliple timed out error messages while browsing the listings...
You guys are extremely paranoid about scams, frauds and everything that involves illegalities, if all the time you are going to think that way, I think for your own security and protection you should stay Offline, otherwise you are in the wrong business. I understand that sometimes one to be skeptical about some facts, but nobody will register a domain name under real company name, I could mention at least a dozens of facts easily, but as far as I can see you'll try to find something wrong to anything, I think a big percent of us already have visited this site in the past (nobidding.com) that's no a new name, probably it isn't popular but they also had advertised through banners all over the Internet, probably that means nothing to you, but for this company and its owners that's a serious matter and they want to stay in BIDness.
Now about Copyright Infringement, I don't see any violation at all, they clearly say that are not endorsed by X.com even if they show a banner of paypal doesn't mean nothing, now if they put the paypal banner or any logo and say, we are sponsored and endorsed by paypal that would be a violation. I don't know if you have installed the CompuServe Software, it's 98% similar to the AOL software, do they broke any rule, I don't think so, AOL haven't say anything about it.
So if you are going to be so negative about anything that occurs on the Internet, for your own protection I suggest you to stay offline so everybody happy.
posted on December 6, 2000 07:07:17 PM
Poton, since you've stated before that you don't read most of these messages, writing this maybe a waste of my time. But nonetheless, I feel I must try.
You may call it paranoia or any other name.. but I will call it one thing... common sense. It is unwise to jump into something without thoroughly checking it out. It is unwise to hand sensitive information (CC numbers, passwords, banking info) to anyone without verifying that they are who they say they are. If, at any time, someone asks for this sort of information, it is better to have cautious attitude than the carefree attitude that I am semi-reading into your posts. I do not trust, just anyone with information that could lead to my financial disaster.. either temporary or perminent. Anyone who does that is a fool.
Please don't tell me to stay off the net, because I exercise common sense in my business dealings. Please don't tell me to stay off the net because I ask questions and make comments based upon things I have observed. Please don't tell me to stay off the net because I care to share the information I have found.. with others who may not have known how to find it.
There have been many times, since before you started on AW, that people have posted about sites that were potentially questionable. Those questions and those posts have turned out to save many people from being scammed.
If a real company can not hold up to the scrutiny and questions, no matter how simple or detailed, that consumers put to it........ than I might recommend that they are the ones who should not be on the net.
So if you are going to be so negative about anything that occurs on the Internet, for your own protection I suggest you to stay offline so everybody happy.
You are, of course, welcomed to your opinion, as I am to mine....... but don't patronize *if that's what you were doing* the people who happen to share my opinion.
posted on December 6, 2000 07:34:25 PM
Absolutey Correct.
And I must THANK Rosie, for SHE's the one that first voiced the concern, causing the rest of us to investigate, which brought on the calls to PayPal in which we were told "DO NOT GIVE THEM YOUR PASSWORD".
THANK YOU ROSIE, YOU SAVED A LOT OF US A POTENTIAL NIGHMARE.
Before you belittle some of us for not blindly embracing any pipe dream that comes down the digital highway. You might want to read the following 1 post thread. I know, the post is a bit long, but it contains some good information... I personally wouldn't have anything to do with AuXpal. PayPal already has enough problems...
posted on December 6, 2000 07:53:50 PM
well they chaged the color...30% from paypal is all they have to do...but man does they layout of the auctions ever look like ebay!!!!
posted on December 6, 2000 07:53:52 PM
I've read this whole thread (mostly) and that's unusual for the slow reader that I am. My conclusions are these.
Not a scam - certainly not i the sense of commiting overt fraudlent transactions. They worked too hard and to long. I'm sure they still hope to make their fortune in this venue - legitametly with a well timed IPO.
Not a Prayer - The payment concept is good, but not new. The "PRESS the Button and you have paid" is already being advance in some form or other by all the Majors. The most significant advantages pertain to the sellers and hang around the word "FREE." And even there it means free for the moment.
The buyers need a compelling reason to come.
The Hope - this concept needs to be executed by Paypal. These are the guys with the 4,000,000 clients that would'nt need to ask you anything. It such a good idea, it's likely to happen - some day. And in net-time that could be very soon. Gold's should be too costly.
posted on December 6, 2000 08:01:40 PM
I have to agree that it's a nifty idea, but that giving anyone a password with that much power bothers me. I still haven't seen one question answered that's been asked several times--if AuXPal isn't associated with x.com or PayPal, where did they get the addresses and phone numbers of PayPal members who registered? Reverse lookup of the email address they use for PayPal?
I think I'll wait and watch you pioneers put your butts on the line. If it seems like it has a chance of success, then, I will weigh the risks -vs- the benefits and take the appropriate action.
posted on December 6, 2000 08:43:59 PM
Well I have been MORE than pleased with our business account with PayPal, and I'm testing out this new site - just testing at the moment as we don't want to seriously post anywhere till after the 25th, as we are officially shutting down till then, but do test new sites from time to time.
posted on December 6, 2000 09:16:02 PM
My guess is that immediately after PayPal/X.com found out about how the site was operating and the potential risk to accounts on their system they came down on this company/person hard.
PayPal becomes dysfunctional with bad credit cards and the infamous "frozen" accounts. Can you imagine the chaos if these paswords were used to start transferring money out of accounts and the cards & "verified" bank accounts attached to them?! Yikes! Half of PayPal would be frozen while they investigated all of the complaints of theft from accounts.
posted on December 6, 2000 11:14:08 PM
Exactly PayPal should be partner to this company, and everybody will win, including us, PayPal at least should be consider it. What about if we ask PayPal to partnership this nifty company, ah? what do you think? Do you think that PayPal could consider our petition?
Come on Egay agents, please now tell us those horrible stories about PayPal, come on it's time to scare people. Those horrible stories of PayPal compared to eBay's stories that's nothing. Come on agents, say present!
posted on December 6, 2000 11:24:01 PM
Quick question: How many of you actually received that email? I'm a registered PayPal user and I didn't get one.
posted on December 6, 2000 11:49:45 PM PayPal should be partner to this company, and everybody will win
Tell me Poton, would you buy a car because it looks snazzy and the price is cheap without checking out the car's condition, past performance and reputation?
How comfortable would you feel initially about the owner's trustworthiness if you found out that the owner has been trying to sell the car to various people on your customer list, using your name (without your knowledge) as bait and asking these people to divulge information (passwords) which you want kept confidential for security reasons.
posted on December 7, 2000 12:16:59 AM
Correct me if I'm wrong but isn't this site using ebay's old new item and picture icons? It seems to me those are the icons that were on ebay possible a year or so ago.
Seems interesting that the site has the exact look and feel of ebay down to the wording of many of the links. No originality there.
posted on December 7, 2000 03:55:54 AM
All PayPal has to do to kill off auXpal.com and their parasitical scheme is deny all connections from auXpal's servers so they can't connect to the PayPal database.
And I imagine it's been done already, at the routers. It's easy enough to do.
