posted on November 30, 2006 03:22:38 PM new
roadsmith, wrongly misjudges, AGAIN:
"You do sound like a selfish person."
Well...facts are I'm not. What you see is my total distain for the way liberals think everything has to be done/accomplished....which is through the government. Rather than as FREE people do it....through their own charitable giving to THEIR favorite charities.
That is something liberals can't grasp. Their problem NOT mine.
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"Many European countries already are doing what's proposed here."
Yep....and as I stated before that's JUST what liberals here in America want to be....Europeans....NOT Americans. Most europeans have given up more personal RIGHTS than American's have too. Just so they can have their nanny governments take care of them cradle to grave.
That's just socialism.
Here the liberals #*!@ constantly about 'our rights being taken away to fight terrorism' but they're MORE than willing to continue giving personal power up and over to the federal government....grow it more and more...until they OWN us. But liberals don't appear to be able to see that.
"Sure, the changeover would cost a bit, but ultimately it makes us a better, more caring country."
Standard liberal redistribution of income supporters statement. STEAL from others for the causes you want....screw those who don't.
That's NOT freedom.
People do care....and they give FREELY. We are the MOST generous Nation in the world.
And speaking about 'giving' to the needy....there was a program on TV this past week that did a study on just WHO is more generous...liberals or conservatives. Guess who it was. [hint - NOT liberals].
WE just want to have it be given freely....not forced through government.
You liberals want gov. involved in your lives from cradle to grave.
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"While the democratic party complains about everything THIS President does to protect our Nation": "What would a Democrat president have done at that point?"
"Apparently, the answer is: Sit back and wait for the next terrorist attack."
Ann Coulter
[ edited by Linda_K on Nov 30, 2006 04:32 PM ]
posted on November 30, 2006 04:00:13 PM new
"Well....guys....big brother is 'joe taxpayer'. And it's the liberals way of life.....steal from others and use THEIR money on what you decide you want it spent on. Some call it 'redistribution of income'....but it's nothing more than legal THEFT."
Tough nougies, Linda. Most of the people in this country don't want money spent on this idiotic war, but the government is stealing our money for the war anyway. Is that legal theft too? You can't have it both ways.
Please tell me what FACTS you are talking about. The fact that a blind person can't tell a $1.00 bill from a $100 bill? The fact that progressive countries all over the world have instituted some form of bill identification? The fact that the government regularly spends large amounts of money on ridiculous things like $300 toilet seats with nary a peep out of you and those who think like you? The only fact you need concern yourself with is the judge's ruling. Unless or until it is overturned, that's the way it is gonna be--even if you don't like it.
"How about you spend your own money on what you want to and the rest of us overtaxed taxpayers will do the same."
I'd love to have a fund drive with all my liberal friends to raise money to make bills of different sizes, but alas that's called COUNTERFEITING!
posted on November 30, 2006 04:23:50 PM new
No, it's not the same at all, coincoach. As I have pointed out SEVERAL times....our gov., our president and our congress' FIRST job is to protect this Nation. THAT is written in our Constitution.
There is NO WHERE in our Constitution that says the gov. [read we, the people] are obligated to give ANY ONE, ANYTHING.
They, just like the rest of us, can earn it themselves....give as much of their own money away as they wish. But NO WHERE in our const. does it say we MUST....that is a liberal concept....a growing concept....a socialist concept.
Of course, maybe YOU have knowledge I don't have...and somewhere in our Constitution or Bill of Rights....we are made our brothers keepers. We have to make our own way....and pay for theirs too?
Nope....doesn't say that anywhere. And CHARITY is given freely....from Churches, individuals, corporations, etc. NOT government FORCED.
"While the democratic party complains about everything THIS President does to protect our Nation": "What would a Democrat president have done at that point?"
"Apparently, the answer is: Sit back and wait for the next terrorist attack."
Ann Coulter
[ edited by Linda_K on Nov 30, 2006 04:28 PM ]
posted on November 30, 2006 05:39:05 PM new
Well, Linda, as I see it the President and Congress are not protecting us. The war was started with a pack of lies and American citizens are being killed by the thousands. Call that protection?
No where did I say it is a constitutional right to change our monetary system to accomodate the blind. However, there are laws, Federal and State, (Disabilities Act)that protect the disabled from discrimination. These are the laws on which this judge based his decision.
Yes, you are so right, Linda. Your quote about being your brother's keeper is not in the Constitution---I believe that's the Bible you are thinking of.
Am I my brother's keeper... from the Bible's story of Cain and Abel. After Cain had murdered his brother Abel, God asked him where his brother was. Cain answered, “I know not; am I my brother's keeper?”
Cain's words have come to symbolize people's unwillingness to accept responsibility for the welfare of their fellows —
posted on November 30, 2006 05:58:32 PM new
coincoach....you believe???? lol Is it or isn't it? Aren't you sure?
There is a difference between being our brothers keepers....on a VOLUNTEER basis....verses being FORCED by government.
And if it is in the Bible...what about this so called 'seperation of church and state' the secular crowd is always screaming about.
Because something is or isnt' said in the Bible...doesn't have a thing to do with it being in our laws/constitution.
Sure we're safer...who are you trying to fool?
FIVE times during the clinton administration our nation and it's interests were attacked. clinton lacked the will to do anything....let alone defend our Nation...and the result of that was 9-11....and since then???? NOTHING....because this administration HAS BEEN doing much to apprehend the suspected terrorists HERE IN OUR COUNTRY....and stop them before they could carry out their EVIL deeds.
We've been fighting the terrorists in Iraq. Keeping it off our soil.
I have no doubt that IF the liberals can change that they will.....and then America will suffer ANOTHER repeat from letting the terrorists win.
You liberals discount all that has been done.....nothing would ever please you....unless it were for us to ADMIT DEFEAT to the terrorists. THEN maybe some of your would be thrilled.
And you continue on with this BS about being lied to. ROFLMHO at how SOME can't grasp at WHY almost our whole congress VOTED TO go to war. NOT just this administraton....but the previous one too.
The past THREE administrations, including clintons must have been LYING too then. Because HE/they said EXACTLY the same thing.
Did clinton have the guts to deal with it? No....he's a coward who wanted to remain popular wih the left....so he compromised our safety and BIN laden paid us a visit.
And each and everything that this administration HAS DONE to protect us....the liberals have fought him tooth and nail.
It appears to me that many liberals have sided with our enemies.
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Someone please inform kaira that when I say we are the MOST generous, giving country in the world.....it it NOT ONLY what our government gives....but how we as individuals give.....example the tsunami...example the survivors of 9-11....etc.
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"While the democratic party complains about everything THIS President does to protect our Nation": "What would a Democrat president have done at that point?"
"Apparently, the answer is: Sit back and wait for the next terrorist attack."
posted on November 30, 2006 06:09:03 PM new
Linduh, ""to the FACTS.....not MY opinions....the FACTS.""
LOLOLOL! HER OWN WORDS!
SO TRUE!!!
Now linduh has tried to sidetrack the fact that she is such a mean nasty hate-filled creature that she doesn't believe the disabled should be helped with HER precious tax dollar....the maimed soldiers coming home from Iraq should NOT be helped with HER tax dollars...
so now she's come up to "it's Clintons fault, the liberals side with the terroristsblahblahblah.....but it can't cover up the fact of what a selfish , nasty, hateful old bag she really is....now, is THAT what "christianity is all about ????
posted on November 30, 2006 06:26:37 PM new
I knew it was only a matter of time before Linda would post her usual Clinton rant.
"Lawyers for the blind council argued that of the over 180 countries around the world that issue paper currency, only the United States prints bills that are identical in size and color in all denominations."
If the currency is changed, exactly how much is this going to take out of your purse each month Linda? More than the cost of your purple hair dye? How hard up are you?
posted on November 30, 2006 06:29:28 PM new
Want to talk about being crude.....I'll tell you what 'crude' is to me.
It's people like helen who side with other radicals who three times called for the assassination of our President and our VP - that's how much HATRED they carry in their hearts.
Oh...but here...they'll sound like such compassionate people one would never think they'd side with those who constantly have MURDER on their minds. As THEIR way of dealing with their personal sick feelings of hatred towards this administration.
That's not ONLY crude....that's SICK. And yet those are the wacko's helen supports.....agrees with....defends....
"While the democratic party complains about everything THIS President does to protect our Nation": "What would a Democrat president have done at that point?"
"Apparently, the answer is: Sit back and wait for the next terrorist attack."
posted on November 30, 2006 06:37:26 PM new
Helen never sided with anyone that advocated that, Linda.
You'll use any lie you can to try to take the heat off yourself for being exposed once again as a nasty, bitter and CHEAP old lady who doesn't care about anyone but herself.
posted on November 30, 2006 06:37:52 PM new
Regarding my remark about the Bible---I was being facetious, Linda. Did that go over your head? Not that it matters, but I was raised a Catholic. However, I strongly believe in separation of church and state, which we have disagreed on in other posts. Now you say the Bible has nothing to do with the laws and constitution. Which is it, Linda?
posted on November 30, 2006 06:46:59 PM new
It's hard to tell how one is 'being' coincoach...with only the printed word...no facial expressions...no tone of voice to be considered.
I have stated many times...our founders were men of GOD....and many of their writings speak to their faith.
I also don't buy this so called 'seperation of church and state' since our founding fathers couldn't agree upon it...and NEVER put any such wording in our constitution.
I'm NOT for FORCED anything....but I don't agree with the secular side that continues to 'remove' religion from the public square either. Most of our laws were based on those beliefs. And because we have gotten so far away from them....our society has been on a substancial DECLINE in morals/ethics/and in wanting the gov. care cradle to grave. Our system was set up by independent men....not slackers who had their hands out. Not slackers who worked to get the gov. to pay for all THEIR personal needs. Nope....they were individuals who wanted LESS government....and who believed CHARITY was the Christian way.....NOT income redistribution.
"While the democratic party complains about everything THIS President does to protect our Nation": "What would a Democrat president have done at that point?"
"Apparently, the answer is: Sit back and wait for the next terrorist attack."
posted on November 30, 2006 07:03:32 PM new "Helen never sided with anyone that advocated that, Linda."
"You'll use any lie you can to try to take the heat off yourself for being exposed once again as a nasty, bitter and CHEAP old lady who doesn't care about anyone but herself."
posted on November 30, 2006 07:05:21 PM new
Charitable is the key word here and your words tonight, especially to Helen, are far from that. Flinging accusations like that is not only uncharitable, it is slanderous.
I have one more thing to say. A while back you had no problem with the government, even the President, getting involved in the Terry Schiavo case. That was ONE person. Yet helping the quality of life for a million people is beyond your comprehension. I know you will have an answer--you always have one, convoluted though it may be.
posted on November 30, 2006 07:27:08 PM new
Yes, coincoach.....helen thinks it's fun to lie about me....constantly take ANY thread off topic...then kiara joins in....then mingotree/crowfarm/linda blair/Sybil joins in too.
But when I say something....OH GOD it's slanderous.
If they'd post to topic....they wouldn't have so much fun and then be called on THEIR own actions.
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Terri was one person YES. Who the government was allowing her husband to MURDER. Her family said they'd care for her completely....therefore NO cost to the taxpayers.
"While the democratic party complains about everything THIS President does to protect our Nation": "What would a Democrat president have done at that point?"
"Apparently, the answer is: Sit back and wait for the next terrorist attack."
posted on November 30, 2006 07:30:32 PM new
good point coincoach...Linda, I'd sure like to know where Helen was involved with calling for the assassination of our President and our VP. Or wait, maybe that isn't what you meant. Maybe you just wanted us to assume that's what you meant, so you could have a session of denying it and threatening us about putting words in your mouth.
Do you really believe Helen feels that way about the President or the VP, what's his name again ?Chaney, Chanley, oh wait Cheney. Well do you? Go ahead now, refuse to answer.
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May 1, 2003, America brings "democracy" to Iraq. November 7, 2006, Iraq brings democracy to America.
posted on November 30, 2006 07:38:16 PM newOur system was set up by independent men....not slackers who had their hands out. Not slackers who worked to get the gov. to pay for all THEIR personal needs. Nope....they were individuals who wanted LESS government....and who believed CHARITY was the Christian way.....NOT income redistribution.
Linda wasn't you that advocated for the Social Security private accounts so what you put into SS could be passed on to your family members. How is that any different from what you stated above? I see it as just another form of income redistribution because other family members would be to lazy to work and save for their own retirement.
Absolute faith has been shown, consistently, to breed intolerance. And intolerance, history teaches us, again and again, begets violence.
---------------------------------- The duty of a patriot in this time and place is to ask questions, to demand answers, to understand where our nation is headed and why. If the answers you get do not suit you, or if they frighten you, or if they anger you, it is your duty as a patriot to dissent. Freedom does not begin with blind acceptance and with a flag. Freedom begins when you say 'No.'
posted on November 30, 2006 07:38:36 PM new
profe - IF you doubt MY word....then go to otwa and read mivona's statements for yourself.
THREE times she said pretty much the same thing. ONCE after I was suspended....for doing WHAT exactly? Answering all the questions put to me by 30-40-50 liberals there. And when I didn't answer....then they played the same game as you are right now....accusing me of not answering.
The first time mivona said [paraphrasing here] she'd like to see both Cheney and President Bush SPLATTERED all over the wall. I don't recall how she worded it the second time...but basically they same thing.... Then the third time old....they can say ANYTHING jim.....called her on it....gave her some penalty of some sort....but didn't suspend her nor ban her from posting those LAW BREAKING comments. ..THREE TIMES.
helen's own statements can be read in those threads where mivona make these sick statements. She always defended the most VILE posters....at otwa and here.
And any honest person KNOWS that because they've read that crap more than one.
"While the democratic party complains about everything THIS President does to protect our Nation": "What would a Democrat president have done at that point?"
"Apparently, the answer is: Sit back and wait for the next terrorist attack."
posted on November 30, 2006 07:50:16 PM new
How do you suppose that I am responsible for what another poster says????
Mivona made a suggestion on OTWA about the possibility that she might support a move to assassinate George Bush.
In that thread I made ONE remark in which I pointed out to Mivona that such an act would be WRONG because it would follow Bush's own policy of the ends justifying the means.
posted on November 30, 2006 07:56:09 PM new
I don't go to otwa nor do I plan to. Does Helen directly support this person's wish to see the President "splattered"? It doesn't sound like she does. Or is her support of this person elsewhere on the board all you need to insinuate the connection?
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May 1, 2003, America brings "democracy" to Iraq. November 7, 2006, Iraq brings democracy to America.
posted on November 30, 2006 07:59:40 PM new
Anyone going to otwa and pulling up helen's past posts....they're all there....will have the ability to see just who she usually sides with on what issues.
No need to take my word for anything. Most of you here believe the liars anyway.
That's obviously your choice.
"While the democratic party complains about everything THIS President does to protect our Nation": "What would a Democrat president have done at that point?"
"Apparently, the answer is: Sit back and wait for the next terrorist attack."
posted on November 30, 2006 08:06:00 PM new
So, it appears that you are holding me responsible for what Mivona says because she is a liberal and in your mixed up mind all liberals are alike and so according to you, whatever Mivona says, Helen thinks.
posted on November 30, 2006 08:23:15 PM new
Right.
And, linda you know that no one will bother to look up Mivona's remarks or my reply and so you will slide with your slimy innuendo that I was there putting my stamp of approval on murder. You are despicable! Everyone here knows that I would not approve of such remarks.
sp.edit
[ edited by Helenjw on Nov 30, 2006 08:35 PM ]
posted on December 1, 2006 12:04:37 AM new
I was in OTWA when Mivona made some such remark and I never saw Helen support it in any way.
But boy oh boy linduh sure can change a subject when she's nailed for the evil rotten souless thing she really is.....tazered any kittens lately linduh?
Tripped any blind people ? Laughed at any paraplegics???
Are YOU a Bunghole?