posted on March 6, 2007 08:12:36 AMKiara often repeats that many Canadians LOVE their system.
I've never once said that, let alone repeated it so it's another lie from Linda_k.
Linda_k was extremely rude to the Canadians that post on Otwa and she was rude to almost everyone else there too until they booted her.
Some don't want to use their own funds to pay for their own health care.
When others talked about working and paying taxes and their costs for insurance, Lindak bragged that her own relatives who could well afford to pay for theirs had found a way to feed off the system.
She has seldom worked outside the home or payed taxes in her entire lifetime but keeps telling all the hard workers that do pay taxes that they aren't trying hard enough. What a hypocrite.
posted on March 6, 2007 08:19:10 AM
Okay,so it is 446 she paid,not 435 for her ultra sound,but ultra sound with intepretation from a radiolgist for 446 sound fair.
Purjal does not know all the facts behind the 15 dollars the insured patients are paying.
Also dont forget PURJAL is not paying any medical insurance premium as she said 350 a month is too much for her,so she is saving 350 a month by being uninsured while those who paid 15 dollars for the same service must be paying a premium ,or their employer is paying for it.
There is no free lunch,if employer pays,the fringe benefits is part of compensation and the employees work hard to earn it.
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posted on March 6, 2007 08:26:59 AM
ROFLOL.....@ hellen....feeling the NEED to control, once again.
Just HAS to repost/repeat what she already posted....to be sure everyone sees what SHE wants seen.
There was more than ONE thread addressing the issue of health care...and canadian health care hellen.
Again...it's all a matter of what any individual chooses to do. But, imo, her house is doing her no good now.
IF I or a loved one knew they had cancer....and for whatever reason didn't have/didn't choose to make carrying medical insurance a priority.....I'd SURE sell anything I had to get the care they/I needed.
I would NEVER think it's anyone but MY OWN responsibility to pay my own way.
I've always made having med. ins. a HUGE priority. To me it's NO different than doing all one can to keep a roof over their heads.
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LOL...and again at how kiara DISTORTS what I've previously posted here.
She just LOVES telling about the personal life of others.....but DEMANDS HER personal life be kept out of discussions.
posted on March 6, 2007 08:52:39 AMThere was more than ONE thread addressing the issue of health care...and canadian health care
Linda_K, on another health topic one Canadian told you that you are completely ignorant about life in Canada and the other one told you your information was completely wrong, not true, false about Canada and asked why you bothered to post when all you can post is falsehoods, nonsense and outright lies.
And on another topic you were very rude to the same two Canadians that patiently tried to inform you about the Fraser Institute.
posted on March 6, 2007 09:06:01 AM
Linda, many people in America don't have a home to sell. What is their option when faced with an illness such as cancer?
posted on March 6, 2007 09:25:27 AM
Isn't this the "greatest country in the world"? And people have to chose between health care and losing their homes ??
How does such a loss help America become stronger?
Wouldn't it make more sense to have affordable health care and affordable insurance to help keep people alive and healthy ??
Yes, there's all kinds of things they COULD do while they're dying of some horrible disease but are we such a "poor" country that we can't take care of our own?
And WHY do neocons resent so rabidly helping their fellow Americans when they don't have any objection to sending BILLIONS to Iraq
posted on March 6, 2007 09:25:28 AM
Isn't this the "greatest country in the world"? And people have to chose between health care and losing their homes ??
How does such a loss help America become stronger?
Wouldn't it make more sense to have affordable health care and affordable insurance to help keep people alive and healthy ??
Yes, there's all kinds of things they COULD do while they're dying of some horrible disease but are we such a "poor" country that we can't take care of our own?
And WHY do neocons resent so rabidly helping their fellow Americans when they don't have any objection to sending BILLIONS to Iraq
posted on March 6, 2007 09:25:29 AM
Isn't this the "greatest country in the world"? And people have to chose between health care and losing their homes ??
How does such a loss help America become stronger?
Wouldn't it make more sense to have affordable health care and affordable insurance to help keep people alive and healthy ??
Yes, there's all kinds of things they COULD do while they're dying of some horrible disease but are we such a "poor" country that we can't take care of our own?
And WHY do neocons resent so rabidly helping their fellow Americans when they don't have any objection to sending BILLIONS to Iraq
We are talking about the working poor who don't qualify for medicaid. The answer to my question is that in the United States there is only one option for these people in the face of an illness like cancer. They must go home and die, sometimes with the help of a hospice.
posted on March 6, 2007 10:21:57 AM
Craw, attack Canada? Where? Or don't you understand the idea that Canada is supposed to be the prime example of socialized medicine.
It is foolish and wrong to mourn the men who died. Rather we should thank God that such men lived.George S. Patton
posted on March 6, 2007 10:34:26 AM
Wouldn't it make more sense to have affordable health care and affordable insurance to help keep people alive and healthy ??
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The key is AFFORDABLE INSURANCE-what is affordable if the risk/claims ratio keep rising?
Say that woman who makes 60k as real estate agent ,she had cancer and to get insurance it would cost her 27k,thats not affordable to her.To make it affordable,the insurance co can admit her into a pool of healthy insured and charge her as much or as little as the others with no history of cancer.
Say one day her cancer relapse and insurer paid thru its nose for her treatment,what do you think is going to happen to the rest of the insured in her pool?
Preventive care begins with the person who has title to his body,think of owning a car,the one who drives it must maintain that car in good condition with regular oil change,check up etc to avoid costly maintenance down the road.
If you look around these days,there are so many obese people who cant walk,who cant fit into a chair,these people in my opinion are not taking care of themselves and then they have diabetis ,heart problems etc and they cry they cant afford the insurance and therefore they are left to suffer.
I have a friend who has been turned down by the insurance co,the letter of rejection said she is not tall enough for her height.As far as I know,she is still eating more than her fair share of food and she is too old to grow taller.
We must realise taking care of our body is the first line of defense and the cheapest too!
posted on March 6, 2007 12:41:01 PMOr don't you understand the idea that Canada is supposed to be the prime example of socialized medicine.
It's been said many times here that several countries in Europe have a much better system than Canada and they could be used as examples of more efficient health care systems.
Since there are so many differences between countries what works for one will not work to all degrees for another.
posted on March 6, 2007 03:42:21 PM
hwahwa, must be awfully nice to have a perfect body that will never get old or ever get a disease...I really think you should be studied by scientist because I don't think they've ever seen a perfect body.
Nice to know you won't ever age...your body will stay perfect forever I guess so you won't ever need medical attention...how fortunate for you.
posted on March 6, 2007 03:59:34 PM
Mingotree,
If you read my earlier post,I have made my trips to the hospital.
What I am saying is that most of us recognise cars get old,house get old and all need repair,but many think their body is invincible and dont take care of them,preventive care is first line of defense.
Not that we dont get old and sick and finally take off to the big blue sky,but while we are here on this planet,lets take better care of our body.
Look around and draw your own conclusion.
BTW,I have 2 brothers who are trained to practise medicine,one is no longer practicing,he has found greener pasture in commercial real estate.
The other one is still in the field,he got into trouble being too outspoken while training as a resident,he was angry that the patients never listen to the doctors,they do the same thing OVER AND OVER again and told a patient's daughter-YOUR MOTHER IS A BIG TIME SMOKER!
Fortunately for him,he has matured and learned from past mistakes to keep his mouth shut and distance himself from the personal habits of his patients.
You see,MD are not as smart as our politicians,you dont see politicians like Tokyo Hilary telling her constituents to stop indulging in habits hazardous to their health,all they do is attack the villians like the insurance companies and the pharmaceutical companies.
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[ edited by hwahwa on Mar 6, 2007 04:09 PM ]
Doesn't realize that this "healthy living" is a fairly new lifestyle. It was not the main stream until 20 or 30 years ago. Before then more people smoked every movie showed everyone lighting up.
The every day meals were meat and potatoes.
Not many health spas around with fancy work out machines. Just the old Y.M.C.A. and they didn't have the stuff of today.
People in their 60s and older were not brought up in a health conscious world. They picked up many bad habits and addictions.
Your just another person trying to justify the UNITED STATES OF AMERICA not having a public health insurance plan.
Or your like LIAR_K and just don't care about you fellow Americans. The bottom line is it seems you worry guys like me will take some your (God All Mighty Dollars) away to help the less fortunate American.
AGAIN 6.8 MILLION MORE AMERICANS UNDER BUSH NO HEALTH INSURANCE. THAT'S A LITTLE OVER 1 MILLION,125 THOUSAND MORE PEOPLE PER YEAR WITHOUT INSURANCE SINCE BUSHY AND THE REPUBLICANS WERE IN POWER IN WASHINGTON.
posted on March 6, 2007 06:30:58 PM
People back in the old days dont live as long as we do,but they inhale less of the industrial pollutants and the chemicals in the food and drinks!
My parents never have insurance,we grew up with no insurance,of course,of course,medical technology was not so advanced,take 2 aspirins and call me in the morning was the norm.
But people tend to think having insurance is like waving a magic wand,like some god father is going to take care of all our problems,as long as we have 'insurance' we dont have to save,we dont have to take care of our body,I can see getting coverage for major illness such as cancer,heart surgery etc,but not simple office visit and ocasional prescription drug.
My GP charges a flat fee for office visit,very reasonable for his location in a big city,but I have seen more people telling him they dont have insurance and so they cant do this or do that,we are not talking about open heart surgery,well,I am not going to tell you what he prescribes.
My brother who is still a doctor once said-insurance is one of the reasons why cost is so high,think of it,a doctor has to hire extra staff to process all the paper work,call to verify your insurance card,xerox your photo ID ,fill all the forms and wait to get paid.
All these are built into our cost-the use of credit card,the installment plan,the delay in getting paid by our insurer.
Many of the millions who have no insurance now can get insurance,it is the level of coverage and deductible and co -payment may not to their liking,my deductible with Unicare is 5k,unless I come down with major illness,I will never exceed my deductible.
But this is a personal decision,I chose to save on premium and pay for the deductible out of my own pocket,so far knock on wood,it never goes more than 1-2k per year.
posted on March 6, 2007 06:40:02 PM
r your like LIAR_K and just don't care about you fellow Americans. The bottom line is it seems you worry guys like me will take some your (God All Mighty Dollars) away to help the less fortunate American
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I am not sure this is the reason why we dont have a national health insurance program.
I dont think letting a govt bureaucracy manages a broad program is the best way to approach it.
14 years ago when Toyko hilary open her mouth and talk about a national healthcare program,that woman knows nothing about insurance,period.
Lets hope 14 years have gone by and she has learned a thing or two .
posted on March 6, 2007 06:51:35 PM
BTW,studies have shown that not all uninsured do so due to lack of fund,it is a personal choice ,some of them earn a fair to good income.
There was a time I did not have any health insurance,I got tired of paying Blue Cross Blue shield every month and cant get them to send me a claim form!
