posted on January 3, 2001 07:20:52 PM new
Alien,
On your web page for updates you state "New Units Ready.....will begin shipping again to all customers. Thank you for your patience".
Please give me a shipping number that I can verify as I am exploring other avenues of resolving this matter. My "patience" is wearing out.
posted on January 3, 2001 07:54:44 PM new
boots...Funny...
I ordered a Black BookPC (800 mhz version) right after AD was kicked off ebay. I guess I just had faith in human decency then. Maybe I should regret it, I'm not sure.
I ordered Dec 1st. Today is the 3rd. Of JANUARY. No computer. No response to emails. I finally got through on the phone today and left a message (which was actually cut off because they limit the amount of time on there [probably a good thing, they need all the time they can get!]).
Well, I realize that waiting will get me less of a chance to win this in an investigation. So in my call I stated that without response or product I would notify paypal. Paypal can launch an investigation into any user suspected of fraud. I'd also report AD to business review programs so more people don't get stuck in the position I'm in.
I am absolutely ready to do this. From other posts it seems that these processors are overclocked, not genuinely what they are said to be. Might be wrong, but it might be right. I can't wait just because a *few* people have given positive responses.
AD, if you actually read this (haha yea right with their lack of reading emails), I highly recommend you email me, for the good of your own business's relations with paypal.
[email protected]
ps... you can get a chargeback if you ordered through paypal?
pps... "The fastest alien machine ever"... coming soon... maybe if they made their service as fast as their computers more people would be happy. But it says "units will begin shipping again to all customers". Meaning they're picking up where they left off... probably 2 months ago. Oy...
posted on January 3, 2001 07:56:03 PM new
I'm sorry I didn't mean to send that 3 times... I kept hitting STOP then adding stuff at the bottom... sorry if it's obnoxious it was an accident.
posted on January 3, 2001 08:24:40 PM new
Through some other people in the same predicament, I have some Info on the sellers. There are two home phone numbers. One is for the guy in Washington, and the other is of his purported girlfriend/wife. If you want them, feel free to email me at [email protected].
A fellow sucker,
John
ps. Hopefully since they have their parts now, we can get our stuff. The base book pc costs about $300 Australian, if you type in bookpc or book pc in altavista or yahoo you can see the specs and various costs.
posted on January 3, 2001 08:25:55 PM new
I just went back into Paypal and I can't find anything about doing a chargeback. On 01/06 it will be 60 days for me. Can anyone explain to me about doing a chargeback?
posted on January 3, 2001 09:09:15 PM new
Can you do a charge back on your credit card even if you used Paypal as the "go-between"?
Does anyone on this thread have any first-hand experience with this?
I believe you can get a chargeback if you paid by credit card through Paypal. Ring your CC company and ask. I paid for an auction through Amazon payments, and successfully got a chargeback for non-delivery of goods, and am currently in the process of trying to get a chargeback for a payment made through Billpoint.
posted on January 4, 2001 06:24:34 AM new
The Aliens are planing to build a new product line, according to their web page, I think they better work on delivering the products they owe us first.
The Fastest Alien Machine Ever!
(With the slowest delivery time ever !!!)
Coming Soon!
1.6GHz of pure Alien Technology
posted on January 4, 2001 07:32:09 AM new
I beleive to chargeback on paypal you have to file a fraud report ( NOT CLAIM ) within 30 days of auction closing date and then you have to wait 30 more days so you can file actual FRAUD CLAIM with paypal.
posted on January 4, 2001 07:45:46 AM new
PATHETIC!!!
No time to answer customers who paid more then TWO MONTHS AGO, but plenty of time to upgrade websites pushing new products, and plenty of time to post under fraudulent names and plenty of time to empty his bank accounts.
Those of you that have not filed FRAUD complaints...DO NOT WAIT!!!
Some of the people who say they have received their PCs have "vanished".
posted on January 4, 2001 09:44:47 AM new
I am not sure but just happened to know that they are using 'bige-bigs' on ebay now. Please research and confirm it.
posted on January 4, 2001 01:09:45 PM new
By all means pursue a fraud complaint with Paypal, but RING your credit card company if you have paid by credit card. They have their own interest in credit card fraud, and ultimately, the payment came from THEM - with Paypal as the intermediary, as I understand it.
When I had a non-delivery through an Amazon auction, I contacted Amazon payments, and got nowhere. They wouldn't even give me the name and address of the b**ch who ripped me off so I could file proper fraud charges. So I contacted my credit card company, who immediately gave me the chargeback. I reckon it was then down to Amazon payments to pursue the seller. It will be down to Paypal to pursue the seller, as I believe the credit card company will do the chargeback against Paypal.
I doubt that Paypal will give you your money back, but you do have limited cover by your credit card company (or at least I do).
posted on January 4, 2001 01:51:55 PM new
Wow! Alien Distribution managed to get a positive on Yahoo today by sending out... some STICKERS! LOL!
They can find the time to send out the goods for a $2.79 auction, after they got negative feedback for non-contact, but they still can't seem to respond in any positive way to those who have sent them hundreds of dollars.
posted on January 4, 2001 02:16:21 PM new
If I may inject here for a minute. Have you guys thought about working together as a unified force to get to this Alien Guy? Maybe he made the mistake of having a lot of his victims in one State. Maybe he made the even worse mistake of having a number greater than 9 of his victim in his own State. Have you guys discovered if Alien Distribution is a United States Coroporation? Or is ALien a small business. There is a lot of recourse for you guys if you would increase your information exchange to a little more than exchange of complaints.
Sounds like you need to work together on this one to either get your systems delivered, or your money refunded, and hopefuly get this guy shut down. What you are doing now is furnishing Alien with a means to provide his/her defense of your allegations. That's not good.
Furthermore it strikes me as strange that some of the help in the matter. Doesn't have a vested financial interest in the matter. Oh comeon people surely you don't beleive that all of these helpful folks are really helping from the kindness of their hearts. If they were they would have already taken the time to organize you by State so that you could present class action litigation in the representive states of Alien's fraud. United you stand to get effective resolution divided you are individuals with individual consumer complaints. Numbers get results, individuals get letters of regret.
posted on January 4, 2001 02:50:47 PM new"Furthermore it strikes me as strange that some of the help in the matter. Doesn't have a vested financial interest in the matter. Oh comeon people surely you don't beleive that all of these helpful folks are really helping from the kindness of their hearts."
You're right! Some of us just hate scumbag rip-off artists, fly-by-night scammers, and lowlife crooks.
Are you volunteering to organize?
Some of us just HAPPENED to make this fraud public to try and stop others from getting robbed.
Goodness of my heart? maybe not.
Goodness of my profession/business/livlihood? ABSOLUTELY!
It's losers like THIS that destroy ebay and ALL online establishments.
If you would like to be a "hero yuri", then please, be my guest.
posted on January 4, 2001 06:09:35 PM new
Does everybody know that the refund is minus $35 (or $55 depending on auction) shipping? Their pages strictly say shipping is non-refundable. They make a lot of money that way too. $35 * 100 computers= $3,500. I say we forget asking for a refund and demand our computers. File a mail fraud complaint at USPS.com.
posted on January 4, 2001 06:10:27 PM new
It has been stated earlier in this discussion that although we are showing our hand so to speak, we are still gathering information. All of this reminds me of a quote someone told me a long time ago:
"THINGS AIN"T ALWAYS AS THEY SEEM"
posted on January 4, 2001 06:32:07 PM new
I don't think anyone will get a refund. Alien can obviously build one of these systems cheaper than they can sell them for. On page 4 of this they state "If your machine is in transit and/or shipped, we cannot refund your money." What do YOU think they'll do? Just an observation.
posted on January 5, 2001 10:19:51 AM new
Supposedly the shipments are supposed to continue, but no tracking numbers! What A JoKe....unfortunately we are the fools.
posted on January 5, 2001 10:51:37 AM new
Who will be the fool when all the fraud claims catch up along with the FBI, IRS, law suites, Bugs and the boys.
posted on January 5, 2001 01:30:38 PM new
"Do not ..Post private information about any person that is not readily available to the general public. This includes, but is not limited to, phone numbers, addresses, full names, email addresses, and an auction ID or auction user ID."
With that said, all the information I am about to give you is publicly available via the internet. So moderators PLEASE DO NOT DELETE THIS POST it is important that people know this information. AlienDistribution knows everything about them so I think it's time to turn the tables.
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Search 1)
Running a WHOIS on aliendistribution.com shows that the registrant came through www.corenic.net going to www.corenic.net shows the following:
Alien Distribution (template COCO-601365)
[email protected]
7115 Beverly Lane
Everett, WA 98203 US
Domain Name: aliendistribution.com
Status: production
Admin Contact, Technical Contact, Zone Contact:
Alien Distribution (COCO-601365) [email protected]
866-222-5436
CORE Registrar: [CORE-11]
Record created: 2000-07-07 23:23:13 UTC by [CORE-11]
Record expires: 2001-07-07 18:28:47 UTC
Domain servers in listed order:
ns0.aitcom.net 208.234.1.34
ns1.aitcom.net 209.27.134.1
ns2.aitcom.net 208.234.1.36
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And clicking on COC-601365 will give you a profile of the registrant:
PROFILE
(template COCO-601365) =
person: Alien Distribution
organization: Alien Distribution
address: 5450 Casper
city: Detroit
state: MI
postal-code: 48210
country: US
e-mail: [email protected]
phone: 866-222-5436
individual: yes
nic-hdl: COCO-601365
registrar: CORE-11
created: 2000-07-07 23:23:04 UTC CORE-11
modified: 2000-11-28 19:11:00 UTC CORE-11
source: COREdb-updated: 2001-01-05 19:44:39 UTC
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Search 2)
OfficePC was registered through www.nameit.net and going over to their website shows:
Domain Name: OFFICEPC.COM
Registrar: THE NAME IT CORPORATION
Whois Server: whois.nameit.net
Referral URL: www.nameit.net
Name Server: NS2.AITCOM.NET
Name Server: NS1.AITCOM.NET
Name Server: NS0.AITCOM.NET
Updated Date: 22-sep-2000
FROM www.nameit.net >
Registrant:
KidsandComputers Organization
Michael Tomas
2018 Hewitt Ave
OKAY TWO SEARCHES AND SO FAR THE SERVER IP ADDRESSES ARE EXACTLY THE SAME , BUT WAIT THERE'S A NEW E-MAIL DOMAIN LISTED UNDER OFFICEPC.COM ITS KIDSANDCOMPUTERS.ORG , LETS RUN A WHOIS ON THAT ONE SHALL WE
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Search 3)
kidsandcomputers.org was also reg'ed through www.nameit.net so lets see what they show:
Domain Name: KIDSANDCOMPUTERS.ORG
Registrar: THE NAME IT CORPORATION
Whois Server: whois.nameit.net
Referral URL: www.nameit.net
Name Server: NS2.AITCOM.NET
Name Server: NS1.AITCOM.NET
Name Server: NS0.AITCOM.NET
Updated Date: 08-mar-2000
FROM www.nameit.net >
Registrant:
KidsandComputers Organization
Michael Tomas
2018 Hewitt Ave
Record Created on........ 2000-03-08 14:56:05.000
Record last updated on... 2000-11-29 18:42:55.000
Expire on................ 2002-03-08 14:57:17.000
Domain servers in listed order:
ns0.aitcom.net 208.234.1.34
ns1.aitcom.net 209.27.134.1
ns2.aitcom.net 208.234.1.36
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YOU KNOW WHATS EVEN FUNNIER HERES A PIECE OF TEXT DIRECTLY FROM THE HOME PAGE OF KIDSANDCOMPUTERS.ORG:
Our site is down due to a fire that destroyed our facilities.
It should be back up soon, thanks to the support of our members.
To make a $1.00 or more donation please use the paypal.com logo below
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Funny huh? what's even funnier is the IP addresses are still the same . wanna hear more? somewhere a site fingerpc.com comes into play so lets run a search on it, what do I get?
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Search 4)
Registrant:
OfficePC (FINGERPC2-DOM)
2019 Hewitt Ave
Everett, WA 98201
US
Domain Name: FINGERPC.COM
Administrative Contact, Technical Contact, Billing Contact:
Buckner, David (DB18713) [email protected]
OfficePC
7115 Beverly Lane
Everett , WA 98203
425-710-9147 (FAX) 425-710-9147
Record last updated on 21-Mar-2000.
Record expires on 28-Oct-2001.
Record created on 28-Oct-1999.
Database last updated on 5-Jan-2001 13:04:03 EST.
Buckner, David (DB18713) [email protected]
OfficePC
7115 Beverly Lane
Everett , WA 98203
425-710-9147 (FAX) 425-710-9147
Record last updated on 15-Feb-1999.
Database last updated on 5-Jan-2001 13:04:03 EST.
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WOW, lotsa info huh .. wanna know why all the IPADDRESSES are the same? I'll tell you why he is using www.aitcom.net as his service provider so all of his web pages are on their servers, thats why they all show the same IP addresses.
So lets summarize:
Michael Tomas
2018 Hewitt Ave
Everett, WA US 98201
Phone: 313-841-2901
Buckner, David (DB18713)
[email protected]
7115 Beverly Lane
Everett , WA 98203
Ph 425-710-9147 (FAX) 425-710-9147
Alien Distribution
[email protected]
7115 Beverly Lane
Everett, WA 98203 US
866-222-5436
And WHOEVER this is in MI :
person: Alien Distribution
organization: Alien Distribution
address: 5450 Casper
city: Detroit
state: MI
postal-code: 48210
country: US
e-mail: [email protected]
phone: 866-222-5436
individual: yes
nic-hdl: COCO-601365
PLEASE give these people there computers or there money back in the exact same method in which they paid it(PAYPAL?), with interest.!
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