posted on January 15, 2001 05:08:10 PM new
Combatboots:
Welcome back! Hope things are a bit better for you today. Glad to hear from you. You're absolutely right...you DON'T need to defend yourself! If you read through these posts 98% of the responders do understand and just want to help. These people really do care about you. Your original post about just wanting to vent was absolutely clear, so no need to worry. We ALL need that from time to time. We are rooting for you.
posted on January 15, 2001 05:52:15 PM new
Hi boots, this is fluffy, to add to the above post, you do not need to feel that you owe anyone out here a explanation for things that you have bid on, you are still a person with needs, and wants. The worst thing a person can do is deprive themselves of everything in life, even the littlest of things. And for your venting, I wish I had known about these boards back when my last child was born, at 4 months I was so deep in depression. Did not care if I ate, showered, changed my clothes, etc. It was a real rough time for me. But things are much better, and having a child that you are always worrying about, I understand that also. My second son was born cross eyed, and had 3 eye surgeries by the time he was 18 months old. There are lots of us out there that want to help you and your son out. The bible says we should sow seads and it will be returned to us 10 fold. Well I want to sow a sead on you and your son, if you will let me, even if it is just a package to your son. Keep in touch with us and let us know how you are doing. Tomorrow is the first day of the rest of your life. God Speed. Fluffy
posted on January 15, 2001 06:44:31 PM new
I guess it's perfectly safe to assume, that many participants of this thread, feel it's perfectly OK to not file taxes on your ebay income or file taxes on any/all income you've receveived throughout the year. As long as you have a good excuse, it's perfectly alright to do.
I, however, do have a problem with this. I do have a problem with the idea of people who "work under the table" and do not pay their taxes. I have a problem with the idea that it's ok, to shift the burden of the paying taxes to those people willing to get out there, get a real job (that supplies a W2) and honestly go through life.
Before you all jump on me about being cruel, THINK ABOUT IT:
When you have deadbeat tax payers, those who DO PAY TAXES, end up paying MORE, both to cover the share of the deadbeat and to pay for enforcement and collection, such deadbeats make necessary.
Someone who shirks the responsibility of citizenship should not be praised, rewarded, or commended for their acts. Despite the motivations, maternal or noble as it may be, the sad fact is, such people have made life a little bit harder for the rest of us.... only taking, never giving, but expecting more... whether it be our sympathy or our money.
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Point Blank, there is a way out of this dark pit of hell that you thought you were in. Get a job. Contact your local welfare department, get foodstamps, section 8 housing, medical care and get yourself enrolled into school. Get a degree and get a *real* job. Then you'll be able to
1) support yourself
2) support your child
3) pay your bills INCLUDING the IRS
4) Not worry about where your next meal is coming from
5) clear up your credit (ie: the IRS probably has had a field day with it)
6) start a retirement plan
7) buy a house
8) be in a position to show your son how to be a responsible, tax paying adult
9) be able to afford to put your son through college so HE will have some sort of future that doesn't depend on others.
Those are only the top 9 things I can think of.. and they're some pretty strong reasons TO get out and do something about your situation.
I, nor my family, mind supporting you *through our taxes* for a short time while you do get your eduction so you can get a *real* job....... but as a tax payer, we strongly refuse to do so if you aren't contributing and show no future.
posted on January 15, 2001 07:02:58 PM new
Sometimes people make wrong choices for what they think are the right reasons. Then maybe just because of that one choice things snowball to a point where it get's out of control.
Often times tough love is the only way to get people to listen and stand on their own to feet. None of us really know what boots is going though and what wrong choices she made to get there.
All I know is I saw a post from someone in pain. I would rather respond with compassion and hope that the support offered will get her on a road to recovery, and that she'll be able to make wiser choices in the future.
posted on January 15, 2001 07:08:05 PM new
Sorry but I didnt come here to judge. Just to offer a couple small items to sell to get over a rough spot.
The taxes are between her and the IRS.
Offering a little help is not encouraging a person to stay undergroud and its not a nod of approval or disproval. All it is, is continuing a circle of giving that I'm happy to be a part of.
Where did you get that idea? Did you realize that an entire part of the IRS is devoted to enforcing tax laws ~ recovering taxes owed. Who do you think pays for that? .. the tooth fairy? Shheesh!
posted on January 15, 2001 07:52:14 PM new
kitsch1 ~ feeling a little snippy today? If you don't want to discuss something (ie: taxes or politics) you should not address any of those subjects in your posts..... otherwise you open yourself up for any comments from anyone. It's not my fault you gave mis-information or partial information. However I could not let that misinformation stand and felt it had to be corrected. As people who are reading this thread, might draw a conclusion based on wrong/inaccurate information. You don't want that to happen.. do you?
posted on January 15, 2001 07:56:53 PM new
This lady has learned and no doubt will be learning a very very hard lesson one which will not be hastened or improved upon by finger pointing and tsk tsking. cluck cluck clucking wont help either.
posted on January 15, 2001 07:57:53 PM new
Enforcement will always be the biggest section,The name causes heart attacks,When audited.Regardless of what you do owe or not owe,One wrong agent can ruin your life,At one time,The agents advanced by how many houses,Cars,buisness,They were able to levy,Lien and sell at auction.This has stopped some what, and now there is a breather,For tax payers to be able to settle any tax problems.This has been in the last couple of years.It is not right to point fingers at anyone,That needs help,And put your problems over theirs.The big boys the IRS want,Have off shore bank accounts.The big money in the States,Have some wonderful
Tax breaks,You just have to be rich,To play.The smaller tax payer,Will always feel crunched,It is the way our system is set up.
No one here caused anyone elses tax distress,Its the system.SSSShhhhheeesshhhh
posted on January 15, 2001 08:08:10 PM new
This is the web site that changed the laws,And caused the investigations.
http://www.neo-tech.com/irs-class-action/
Click on listing of IRS abuse reports.
posted on January 15, 2001 08:08:54 PM new
junquemama ~ I've gotta laugh.. I thought my punctuation was bad! *L*
What I do want to ask you, since you're very knowledgeable about the IRS, is to figure out, what the taxable total was, on a tax levied 8.5 years ago that equaled $21,000. According to my guestimates *based on today's rates*.. In order to have owed $21K 8.5 years ago, there had to have been at least $150,000 in taxable income (not to be confused with the AGI).
To me, not paying taxes on $150,000 sure does not sound like a small time tax payer. Oh the joy of having that type of money and not pay your taxes.
Joice, I think the thread should be moved.. it never had anything to do with Ebay in the first place... unless you count not filing taxes on your ebay income
posted on January 15, 2001 08:14:48 PM new
Rosie,I doubt it was over 3500.00 and still considered below proverty level.It didnt have to be much from the original tax amount.Penaltys and interest will knock it up fast.
posted on January 15, 2001 08:15:10 PM new
junquemama ~ I'll read it in the morning.. BUT, in the meantime, you may want to take a look at the root directory for that informative site. You might want to try to find out exactly what they have to do with that class action site.... cause if the two are even closely related to each other.. one is going to lose credibility.
posted on January 15, 2001 08:22:25 PM new
The trick of depression is that it makes you feel hopeless. You have resources. I completely understand about a marginal lifestyle and have been there, right there, where you are. There are people who want to help you. Call a church and speak with a pastor, explain you situation. They will help you with electricity, food, etc. Try not to isolate. Please try and contact a family member. Please try and have faith, even if it is just a tiny bit, that you will somehow experience a miracle. It may seem, in your depression that God has abandoned you. He has not. You are strong. You have made a great sacrifice to stay home with your child. You will be rewarded for this.
posted on January 15, 2001 08:22:25 PM new
junquemama ~
I was audited in my early 20s and was told I owed Uncle Sam a grand total of $21,000
Penanties and interest over the last 8.5 years knocked it up to 30K.. but originally it was 21K. The original amount owed was not $3500 in taxable income. If that were the taxable income, then the amount owed would have been approximately a couple hundred dollars.. (plus interest and penalties). This amount, would have been, no more than $2000 if the person was audited w/in a couple years of that return. Therefore, the theory that it was $3500 is not accurate.
Course, the only way we'll get the accurate figures is straight from the person's mouth.. *shrug*
Night.. I'll read your site in the morning when my eyes are working better.
posted on January 15, 2001 08:28:54 PM new
Rosie, one is going to lose credibility.Yeah he is a strange duck.But the IRS storeys went
To the House,for investagations.Some ex agents wrote their side of the storey.Pretty interesting,Pretty sad,Never boreing.
posted on January 15, 2001 08:38:41 PM new
The 3500.00 Would have been tax owed, with penaltys, and interest.Probley,, assesed 100% on top.That would have kicked it up.
posted on January 15, 2001 08:55:56 PM new
It disgusts me that anyone would post 'judgment' of a person in such obvious pain! A scam? Maybe (I don't think so). Let me ask this: Would you rather help someone who it turned out didn't need help; OR choose not to help someone who really needs it 'just in case' they don't! Giving is not about the 'receiver' .. it's about the 'giver.'
Black and white thinking is a nice way to justify one's self-righteous convictions and apprently provides a sense of entitlement to pass such judgment!
I have suffered from depression and a severe panic disorder all of my life. I was told over and over to pull myself up by my bootstraps and get my act together. I felt like an even bigger failure everytime I tried and failed. I finally was properly diagnosed well into adulthood and realized that I don't have to pull myself up by my bootstraps at times when I CAN'T. It is just not that simple!
Did I do things I'm not proud of? Yes! Did I have to depend on others for what I 'should' have been able to do for myself? Yes! How did it make me feel? Pitiful and useless. Did it help for anyone to tell me to get my act together? NO .. I would have if I could have!
Boots .. ignore the 'shoulds' and 'ought toos', for NOW, until you CAN deal with them. Just put one foot in front of the other and do the best you can. There is no need for you to explain yourself to anyone. It would be senseless to 'beat yourself up' for what you cannot do YET. Always remember that 'yet.' You WILL reach a place where things will get better and you can do what you need to do.
In the meantime, grab ahold of any help you can get.
Would you please email me at [email protected] if you are comfortable doing so?
Lynne
I have a memory like a steel trap .. unfortunately it's rusted shut!
posted on January 15, 2001 09:10:51 PM new
cmbtboots-
When I read your original post in no way did I see you asking for help. You just wanted someone to listen. What I saw was a person in need. In need of some friends, in need of someone to care.
Well, I think you found alot of someones on this board. I do not care how you got into this situation. All I know is that you are there and need a helping hand.
I, too, have learned from experience that whatever you give comes back to you tenfold. It has happened time and time again with me. No matter what I give to you it could never match the gift I was given in my brother. It cannot even come close.
I have the Adopt A Family program at my store. I make Christmas for needy families. It is a helping hand. The first family I helped was a single mother raising 3 children alone. What I gave her was her entire Christmas - including a gift basket that came from another recipient who had 2 charities help him - so he passed his second turkey and trimmings onto her. The following year she had gone from clerk to store manager in her grocery store and now has her own Adopt A Family! That was nearly 10 years ago.
It is really simple. HE gave to me. I give to you. You give to someone in need when you can. You might even find them here!
This year I sold my store so I did not do Adopt A Family. I have some excess funds at the store - not a whole lot but it is intended to go to a child in need and I get to select who it goes to so I guess Superman wins! Of course he will not be able to collect the funds unless he kisses his Mama!
AND my offer of 10% on the Nintendo game still stands. Paypal, check, or money order - your choice. I will do it whichever way will get to you fastest.
Now, will you please let me know which way you prefer - or I am gonna have to pay waaaay too much for a set of baskets I just saw .......
Take care,
BECKY
P.S. Everyone - please leave the attacks to another post. I'm sure we have all made mistakes in the past.
posted on January 15, 2001 09:18:43 PM new
I had money a few years ago too. Once paid 6 thousand in taxes. Some pay alot more but that year was good for me.
A few years ago aint today.
Been depressed. I even brought it up here a couple of years ago. I needed advice. I needed someone to hear me.
It's been some road since then and before then.....the years before I said anything to anyone.
I want you to email me please cmbtboots.
edited the last part because I realized I REALLY don't want to feed the argument.
posted on January 15, 2001 09:32:28 PM new
Hello Everyone,
This conversation is really personal and doesn't belong in the Ebay Outlook.
I'm going to lock it and ask that if any of you want to start another in the Round Table to feel free but try and make it a more general topic if you can.
