pixiamom
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posted on August 5, 2009 06:55:36 PM new
" the average citizen is intellectually unqualified to vote".
I'm trying to steer clear of this forum but does anyone else see the absolutely repugnant elitist (and from my view point, untrue sentiment, rising from the lower intellect) statement?
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kiara
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posted on August 5, 2009 07:08:36 PM new
And then we could both be right. Figure that one out.
Helen, not sure I can figure that one out except now I have a vision of a September mom serving yellow pie and that must mean it's a beautiful day in the neighborhood. 
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fruscia
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posted on August 5, 2009 07:28:16 PM new
I have no idea who Logansdad is. I really don't care. I do care about people and I would never say anything about someone that is only a rumor. I would say the same thing about anyone. I think before someone posts something they are responsible for what they post.
I also have no idea about anyone on this forum. I am a user of Vendio and that is all.
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CBlev65252
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posted on August 5, 2009 07:39:17 PM new
pixiamom - Sorry, but having worked at polling places during major elections I have to agree with that statement. I overheard people saying they had no idea who they were voting for or why. They just blindly picked people. I heard people saying they were voting for Obama because he's black and others say they were voting for McCain because he isn't. It's insane how uneducated the average voter is. Not educationally, but politically.
Cheryl
http://www.youravon.com/cherylblevins
Now you can buy Avon from me from anywhere in the world.
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pixiamom
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posted on August 5, 2009 10:35:19 PM new
Cheryl, gag me but the intellectually unqualified may choose to vote for items that benefit them, that do not benefit me. It is unAmerican to deny their rights, especially if we take Helen's "most americans" to heart,
[ edited by pixiamom on Aug 5, 2009 10:43 PM ]
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Helenjw
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posted on August 6, 2009 05:00:56 AM new
Pixiamom, neither Cheryl or I mentioned denying anyone the right to vote. Don't try to spin my remark after using a few words out of context.
I said, "The popular interest in Palin is overwhelming evidence of a need for educational reform in America where the average citizen is intellectually unqualified to vote."
And by the way, Obama has a plan to implement a program of educational reform in America where too many citizens don't even graduate from high school.
OBAMA BIDEN Reforming and Strengthening America's Schools for the 21st Century
[ edited by Helenjw on Aug 6, 2009 03:44 PM ]
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logansdad
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posted on August 6, 2009 07:38:57 AM new
Cheryl,
I have to agree with you on that people do not have enough information on a particular candidate when they go to vote. They vote using information they hear on a particular cable station or they vote down party lines in general. Regardless of how good a candidate is, people will use other factors (race or sex to name two) to find a reason not to vote for them.
The election proces in this country needs to be reformed. We need term limits on all elected positions and for judges.
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logansdad
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posted on August 6, 2009 07:49:57 AM new
Remember Libra?
I don't think Libra is back. She left once and came back only to run off again. Without her protective shadow on this forum anymore, I highly doubt Libra would try to make a comeback. Libra could never make it on her own here.
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Helenjw
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posted on August 6, 2009 10:30:25 AM new
We all seem to have a different opinion about that. Libra had another "protector"...a "shadow" that you may not know about.
To add to my previous post about Obama's plan to educate Americans, this speech is interesting. President Obama outlines a part of his plan in a Michigan speech on the American Graduation Initiative.
EXCERPT, July 14, 2009
So we'll fund programs that track student progress inside and outside the classroom. Let's figure out what's keeping students from crossing that finish line, and then put in place reforms that will remove those barriers. Maybe it becomes too difficult for a parent to be away from home, or too expensive for a waiter or a nurse to miss a shift. Maybe a young student just isn't sure if her education will lead to employment. The point is, we need to figure out solutions for these kinds of challenges -- because facing these impediments shouldn't prevent you from reaching your potential.
All right, so that's a big chunk of this first part of this initiative. The second part: We're going to back $10 billion in loans to renovate and rebuild college classrooms and buildings all across the country. (Applause.) All too often, community colleges are treated like the stepchild of the higher education system; they're an afterthought, if they're thought of at all. And that means schools are often years behind in the facilities they provide, which means, in a 21st century economy, they're years behind in the education they can offer. That's a mistake and it's one that we'll help to correct. Through this fund, schools will have the chance to borrow at a more affordable rate to modernize facilities, and they'll be building on the funds in the recovery plan that are already helping to renovate schools, including community colleges all across the country. And by the way, not only does this improve the schools and the training that they're providing, guess what? You also have to hire some workers and some tradesmen and women to do the work on those schools. So it means it's putting people to work in Michigan right here right now. (Applause.)
Number three: Even as we repair bricks and mortar, we have an opportunity to build a new virtual infrastructure to complement the education and training community colleges can offer. So we're going to support the creation of a new online, open-source clearinghouse of courses so that community colleges across the country can offer more classes without building more classrooms. And this will make a big difference especially for rural campuses that a lot of times have struggled -- attract -- have to struggle to attract students and faculty. And this will make it possible for a professor to complement his lecture with an online exercise, or for a student who can't be away from her family to still keep up with her coursework. We don't know where this kind of experiment will lead, but that's exactly why we ought to try it because I think there's a possibility that online education can provide especially for people who are already in the workforce and want to retrain the chance to upgrade their skills without having to quit their job.
Continued...Remarks by the President on the American Graduation Initiative
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CBlev65252
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posted on August 6, 2009 03:17:00 PM new
pixiamom - Who here is denying voting rights to anyone? I don't understand where you came to that conclusion.
Cheryl
http://www.youravon.com/cherylblevins
Now you can buy Avon from me from anywhere in the world.
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kiara
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posted on August 7, 2009 12:36:02 AM new
Libra had another "protector"...a "shadow" that you may not know about.
Does the shadow still post here? Does it run too?
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Helenjw
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posted on August 7, 2009 07:47:39 AM new
My thoughts on that topic are just speculation...well informed speculation but not worthy of mention here.
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profe51
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posted on August 7, 2009 10:15:35 AM new
It was kind of fun yanking Libra's chain now and again. Her medical expertise would go a long way now in a discussion about healthcare reform. Or was that SWMNBN? 
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kiara
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posted on August 7, 2009 10:50:42 AM new
OK, Helen
Back on topic, it's being reported in Alaska that Palin is now being accused of a federal claim of attempted bribery.
http://alaskareport.com/news39/x71288_palin_bribery.htm
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profe51
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posted on August 8, 2009 04:06:37 PM new
Her followers are dwindling to a diehard group of hardcores. She is destined to become the SNL caricature of herself. I've got this neighbor who adores her. If the Church of Sara Palin ever gets going, old Bud will be her first altar boy. His eyes get all glazed over when he talks about how she can by god hunt and "feesh" and she loves the lord. One time I couldn't resist when we were leaning on my truck, gabbing. He was extolling her virtues and I mentioned in passing that "she's got a set o'legs on her too, huh Bud?".....poor guy turned bright red and started to stutter and claimed he's never noticed that, no sir. For him it's all about her straight shooting faith in the lord and the American Way....uh-huh...
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CBlev65252
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posted on August 8, 2009 10:51:02 PM new
Let's not forget her sense of fair play in touting her ability to shoot at unsuspecting animals from the relative safety of a helicopter, prof. That one must surely impress your neighbor.
Cheryl
http://www.youravon.com/cherylblevins
Now you can buy Avon from me from anywhere in the world.
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logansdad
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posted on August 10, 2009 01:54:19 PM new
Back on topic, it's being reported in Alaska that Palin is now being accused of a federal claim of attempted bribery.
What is it with all these governors and their scandals? There have been at least 6 governors within the past 8 years accused of misusing their office.
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kiara
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posted on August 11, 2009 12:48:31 AM new
Logansdad, I think many of them get so drunk with power they think they're untouchable.
Keith Olbermann had an excellent commentary on Palin's 'death panel' statement and I think any support she had is dwindling even quicker now. She doesn't have much left except for the plastic cfmb and hair extensions and at her age it's starting to look a bit goofy.
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logansdad
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posted on August 11, 2009 01:36:36 PM new
In regards to the "death panel" statement, it just goes to show how desperate people will use fear to get their point across.
In my opinion the government option is no different than an insurance company getting to decide who lives and who dies and whether or not a person will get a procedure they need.
Why do these people think it is up to their doctor that decides this. Right now it is still the insurance company that decides.
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fruscia
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posted on August 11, 2009 03:06:07 PM new
" Why do these people think it is up to their doctor that decides this. Right now it is still the insurance company that decides."
Wrong!
Who do you mean by these people?
I just spent 6 months in a nursing home because of a major surgery. The Orthopedic Surgeon did my surgery with no authorization from the insurance company and then transferred to the nursing home for rehabilation. My insurance company never contacted me or the Physician telling us I couldn't have it. They paid all the bills withing a timely manor with no question.
If your insurance company does that then maybe you need to get a different insurance.
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pixiamom
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posted on August 11, 2009 11:37:42 PM new
Out of context? Let me provide the entire post and let others decide if it's a thoughtless elitist post:
The popular interest in Palin is overwhelming evidence of a need for educational reform in America where the average citizen is intellectually unqualified to vote.
Edited to add: I don't agree with Palin but I sure don't agree with the average American is unqualified to vote.
[ edited by pixiamom on Aug 11, 2009 11:52 PM ]
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fruscia
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posted on August 12, 2009 01:08:29 AM new
"And by the way, Obama has a plan to implement a program of educational reform in America where too many citizens don't even graduate from high school."
Where is the funding coming for this project?
The government has to stop, take a deep breath and not try to get everything done in a month. Take it easy and accomplish one thing at a time. Congress will be stressed out after this health care fiasco. They will need another month off. I am sure they didn't expect the uprising that they are getting. I guess it is about time the congress has to work.
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fruscia
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posted on August 12, 2009 01:30:38 AM new
Thank goodness Bristal Palin didn't marry this dude.
Kathy Griffin's Date Night With Bristol Palin's Ex Fiance
Monday, August 10, 2009
Kathy Griffin Has Lovey Dovey Date Night With Bristol Palin's Former Fiancé Levi Johnston
Could the Teen Choice Awards have gotten any more bizarre?
Controversial comedian Kathy Griffin certainly lived up to her kooky reputation by bringing none other than the fame-hungry Levi Johnston to Sunday evening's taping of the FOX Teen Choice Awards at Hollywood's Universal Studios.
Griffin and Bristol Palin's former fiance and baby daddy walked hand-in-hand down the red carpet to a sea of surprised expressions.
Despite the 29-year age gap between the two, Johnston seemed particularly smitten and was overheard gushing about how "beautiful" Griffin looked for the occasion. But that's about all he was able to say -- it appeared as though he'd been instructed to keep his mouth closed and instead Griffin did all the talking. Their date night continued inside the theater as the two flirted and laughed side-by-side throughout the show.
A source close to the 19-year-old Johnston told Tarts that he's loving the "Hollywood life" and his own future reality show isn't out of the question ...
Makes you want to Barf. Old enough to be his mother.
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kiara
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posted on August 12, 2009 10:07:22 AM new
Out of context? Let me provide the entire post and let others decide if it's a thoughtless elitist post:
The popular interest in Palin is overwhelming evidence of a need for educational reform in America where the average citizen is intellectually unqualified to vote.
Pixiamom, when Palin stepped onto the stage almost a year ago hardly anyone knew who she was but within days they were saying they were going to vote for her and were cheering her all the way. It astounded me that they could make up their minds so quickly about who they wanted in a top position of governing, without knowing much about her. I was surprised that she was so ignorant and I was irritated that the media kept making excuses for her. A year later it's amazing that many in the Republican party and others still consider this woman a contender. There are many intellectually unqualified voters.
Fruscia, Kathy Griffin is a comedian and the date with Levi was a set-up for media exposure for both of them. It was so obviously staged that I doubt it's considered a serious relationship. Besides, if Levi gets it on with an older woman, does it matter? Bristol's little outing with Candies to promote chastity and sexual abstinence for teens was just as silly.
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logansdad
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posted on August 12, 2009 10:31:38 AM new
Fruscia consider yourself lucky.
There are many insuarnce companies where you need to have procedures pre-authorized before they are done if they are going to pay them. There are many insurance companies that tell the doctor when you should be released from the hospital if they are going to pay the bill.
Fruscia: If your insurance company does that then maybe you need to get a different insurance.
This is an elitist statement if I ever heard one. That is the problem. Not every has the same coverage and benefits. Do you tell people who are out of work to get a job because you have one? I bet you would feel a lot different if your insurance was different or YOU HAD NONE.
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kiara
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posted on August 25, 2009 02:00:30 AM new
The perfect jeans for Sarah Palin fans
http://www.examiner.com/x-15870-Populist-Examiner~y2009m8d23-The-perfect-jeans-for-Sarah-Palin-fans
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pixiamom
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posted on August 25, 2009 10:43:37 PM new
Fruscia, consider yourself VERY lucky, Many, if not MOST times, the physician is the patient's advocate, but the office manager has the final say in who gets referred to a specialist, etc. The company I worked for paid top dollar for our coverage, but even though the clinic of my primary physician had no qualified specialists to help me, the office manager fought tooth and nail to keep the money in her clinic. I had to threaten a lawsuit to get the care my company paid for.
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