Spreland
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posted on February 8, 2001 08:38:41 PM
>>Of course its possible not to use ebay, each person must decide for themselves where best to sell. <<<
Not only possible but more profitable. 90% or more of the sellers listing with eBay could have the same gross sales and increase their profits selling on the free sites. If you list 20 items on eBay and 15 to 20 items sells you are paying listing fees and final value fees out of your profits. If you list 200 items on free sites to make 15 to 20 sales in the same amout of time you keep all the profits. There are many sellers who already know this because they left eBay long ago. Many eBay sellers have not tried this, but will argue they are better off paying eBay's fees because that is all they know.
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amy
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posted on February 8, 2001 09:04:25 PM
If I have to tie up capital waiting for those same 200 items to sell then I have lost out. I want my money to turn fast...not have it sitting around not working.
Tell me...why are you so gung-ho to get others to leave ebay? Is it because misery loves company?
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mrpotatoheadd
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posted on February 8, 2001 09:04:36 PM
List 200 items on free sites to make the same number of sales that can be made on eBay with 20 items? Preparing 200 auctions takes 10 times as long as preparing 20. Depending on how long that turns out to be, the fee savings may not be worth it.
Some sellers have tried listing large quantities on free sites and have come to the conclusion that the time invested in the effort is not compensated for by the few sales made.
If it works for you though, that's great.
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sulyn1950
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posted on February 8, 2001 09:05:35 PM
Sorry Spreland, I'll have to take the 20 auctions with a sell through of 15-20 and pay the fees over having to post 200 auctions to get the same result. My time is worth a little afterall. If it works for you, that's great. Keep on keeping on.
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Spreland
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posted on February 8, 2001 09:11:19 PM
>>Tell me...why are you so gung-ho to get others to leave ebay? Is it because misery loves company?<<
Amy, I'm not interested in your childish comments. Grow up or shut up. Many sellers would benefit if they quit working for eBay and start working for themselves. I'm sorry if you are having a hard time grasping this. Ask your mommy. Maybe she can explain it to you.
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Spreland
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posted on February 8, 2001 09:21:12 PM
>>..I'll have to take the 20 auctions with a sell through of 15-20 and pay the fees over having to post 200 auctions to get the same result...<<<
The same 200 auctions will require the same amount of time wether you list on eBay or the free sites. You list each item one time on Bidville. All items are automatically relisted until they sell.
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freejack
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posted on February 8, 2001 09:26:51 PM
Moderator, Sprland needs to be warned about having respect for other's opinions...please make him see the light.
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Spreland
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posted on February 8, 2001 09:35:54 PM
moderator, amy was acting like a 12 year old wise ass. I respect opinions from all adults.
Freejack, I wasn't speaking to you. Mind your own business and get a life.
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surfsworth
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posted on February 8, 2001 09:37:15 PM
Spreland]
You had another thread going on this topic earlier and was having some real problems convincing people with your logic, now a new thread on the same topic?
Although each individual must choose what is best for him or herself that same person must use some logic behind their statements. That I must say I found very lacking in your other thread and do not expect diferent from this. remeber as I said before.
LOCATION - LOCATION - LOCATION
And since you qouted someone from the earlier thread I thought I would post the link here in case those here would like to look at it.
http://www.auctionwatch.com/mesg/read.html?num=2&thread=328396
[ edited by surfsworth on Feb 8, 2001 09:42 PM ]
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mrpotatoheadd
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posted on February 8, 2001 09:39:21 PM
eBay:
List 20 items, sell 19 per week, for 4 weeks = 76 sales @ 5.00 each = 380.00 - fees (.55 x 76 = $41.80) = 338.20 - item cost (1.00 x 76 = $76.00) = $262.20 profit per month.
Free site:
List 20 items, sell 1 per month = 1 sale @ 5.00 - item cost (1.00) = $4.00 profit per month.
In order to make the same amount of money on the free sites as on eBay in the same time period, it would be necessary to list 20 items at 65 different sites for a month.
Are there 65 different free auction sites?
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joice
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posted on February 8, 2001 09:43:29 PM
Please discuss the subject at hand and knock off the snide and insulting comments to each other. I will issue a gentle "nudge" now but I guarantee if this continues, the nudges will turn into formal moderations.
Joice
Moderator.
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Spreland
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posted on February 8, 2001 09:45:58 PM
surfsworth, Do you speak for all eBay sellers? Many sellers have left eBay and have had greater success listing with the free sites. If this does not apply to you or you are not "convinced" then have fun paying the fees. Ebay owns you.
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quickdraw29
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posted on February 8, 2001 09:46:07 PM
As long as I keep doing this with my weaker items it has worked great for me too. You can relist non-selling items to your hearts content on ebay and keep paying the fees or do so on a free site with auto relist. Why these sellers can't comprehend this basic fact is beyond me.
\"They say the grass is greener on the other side. But have you flipped it over and looked?
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mrpotatoheadd
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posted on February 8, 2001 09:50:04 PM
...a free site with auto relist.
The only place I need an auto relist is on the free sites. My stuff sells on eBay without relisting.
eBay doesn't own me. I list where I choose.
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amy
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posted on February 8, 2001 09:55:32 PM
Spreland...far from being a smart ass comment it was meant in all seriousness.
We each of us are independant business people...some large, some small...but all independant. We each of us make our own business decisions based on our own research and experiences. Most of us aren't going to make our business decisions based on someone trying to browbeat us into doing it their way. And browbeating is how I would characterize the tone of your posts.
As I stated in my post...I want my money to turn fast. I don't want to have my investment sitting around for months waiting for a buyer. If you don't mind that, then go for it! That is your decision...but my decision is not to do it that way, and no browbeating by you is going to change my mind.
In the real world of business, Wal-Mart does not go to Target and tell them how to run their business...why should you be doing it here?
UNLESS...things are not going as well as you would like with your business plan...hence the "misery loves company" remark 
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sulyn1950
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posted on February 8, 2001 09:58:14 PM
>>..I'll have to take the 20 auctions with a sell through of 15-20 and pay the fees over having to post 200 auctions to get the same result...<<<
"The same 200 auctions will require the same amount of time wether you list on eBay or the free sites. You list each item one time on Bidville. All items are automatically relisted until they sell."
I was trying to point out, I would NOT want to have to post 200 auctions to get the same results as 20 auctions on eBay. I was using your numbers.
Since I don't list 200 auctions at a time now, it would not be to my benefit to go to a free site which, by your statements, I would have to do in order to sell 15 to 20 items.
edited for UBB correction
[ edited by sulyn1950 on Feb 8, 2001 10:01 PM ]
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Spreland
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posted on February 8, 2001 09:58:28 PM
potatohead, Your isolated example would not apply to the majority of sellers listing with free sites. Most of the items I list on free sites sell within weeks. I sell many items within 2 or 3 days. I've sold some items with a buy price within 1 hr but this is an isolated example that does not apply to the majority of items listed. Isolated examples are meaningless.
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mrpotatoheadd
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posted on February 8, 2001 10:06:59 PM
Your isolated example would not apply to the majority of sellers listing with free sites.
Normally, I might suggest that my example is no more or less isolated than yours, but in this case, I will bow to your superior knowledge.
Good luck in your recruiting efforts- I'm sure all the free auction sites out there appreciate it.
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amy
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posted on February 8, 2001 10:08:55 PM
Quickdraw29...you said
[b]"You can relist non-selling items to your hearts content on ebay and keep paying
the fees or do so on a free site with auto relist. Why these sellers can't comprehend this basic fact is beyond me."[/b]
For me...I don't relist and relist. I list once, if the item doesn't sell I relist. If it still doesn't sell but had strong hits I may relist a third time and drastically lower the price... Sometimes, even if it didn't have strong hits but I have a gut feeling lowering the price will sell it I relist again. I might do the first relist immediately after the initial auction but in no case will it be more than 30 days later. The second relist (if I do it) will probably be within 2 weeks of the first relist.
If the item still doesn't sell off to a real life auction it will go. I'd rather take a loss on it and reinvest the money in something that will sell.
I want my money to turn fast...it does me no good if it is just sitting around..why some posters can't see that is beyond me 
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mrpotatoheadd
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posted on February 8, 2001 10:12:47 PM
amy-
I want my money to turn fast...it does me no good if it is just sitting around..why some posters can't see that is beyond me
Does the phrase "Penny wise and pound foolish" ring a bell?
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Spreland
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posted on February 8, 2001 10:15:31 PM
amy, I understand this approach would not work for everyone. But I don't understand why some individuals try to discourage others from trying this approach. It has worked for many sellers who quit listing with eBay. Obviously it has worked for me.
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Spreland
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posted on February 8, 2001 10:21:02 PM
>You can relist non-selling items to your hearts content on ebay and keep paying the fees or do so on a free site with auto relist. Why these sellers can't comprehend this basic fact is beyond me.<<
quckdraw, I can't comprehend why these sellers are so defensive and try so hard to discourage others from trying a non-ebay approach to selling.
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Spreland
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posted on February 8, 2001 10:28:28 PM
>>>Normally, I might suggest that my example is no more or less isolated than yours, but in this case, I will bow to your superior knowledge.<<<
Both examples are isolated. This is why I said they are meaningless. Neither example represents the norm.
>>>Good luck in your recruiting efforts- I'm sure all the free auction sites out there appreciate it.<<<<
Using your reasoning, I would have to assume you are recruiting for eBay. Why do you feel the need to discourage others from trying a different approach where they do not have to deduct eBay fees from their profits.
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reddeer
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posted on February 8, 2001 10:29:33 PM
90% or more of the sellers listing with eBay could have the same gross sales and increase their profits selling on the free sites.
Funny stuff, thanks for the laugh.
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amy
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posted on February 8, 2001 10:35:20 PM
Spreland...you said
"quckdraw, I can't comprehend why these sellers are so defensive and try so hard
to discourage others from trying a non-ebay approach to selling."
I haven't noticed anyone trying to discourage you or anyone else from trying a non-ebay approach to selling. What I DO see is some trying to browbeat others into leaving ebay.
You also said
"obviously it has worked for me"
May I suggest that it is NOT obvious that it has worked for you. You have SAID it works for you, but until I see your balance sheet, there is nothing OBVIOUS about it...all I, or anyone else here, has is your word that it works. I'm not questioning your veracity but I don't know you from Adam and have no idea what agenda you may be pushing...for all I know, you may be a paid employee of another auction site trying to drum up business
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Spreland
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posted on February 8, 2001 10:37:25 PM
>>Funny stuff, thanks for the laugh.<<
Another 12 year old resorts to snide comments because he can not address the subject.
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Spreland
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posted on February 8, 2001 10:43:15 PM
>>>...for all I know, you may be a paid employee of another auction site trying to drum up business...<<<<
And for all I know, you may be an eBay employee try to discourage sellers from leaving eBay. Why can't you address the subject? Why do you feel the need to discourage other sellers from leaving eBay?
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MichelleG
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posted on February 8, 2001 10:54:03 PM
Another 12 year old resorts to snide comments because he can not address the subject.
And neither can you apparently, Spreland.
Your comments are insulting and violate the Community Guidelines. Joice has already reminded you once to keep on topic so I am issuing an informal warning.
You are welcome to appeal this moderation decision by emailing [email protected]
MichelleG
Moderator
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amy
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posted on February 8, 2001 10:56:11 PM
Excuse me! Could you show me where I have tried to discourage ANYONE from conducting their business in the manner they choose?
I have pointed out MY reasons as to why I do not care to use the free sites...you, of course, are free to do what you see best for you.
WHY are YOU trying to discourage people from using ebay? Why are you concerned with how others conduct their business? Why do you think your methods are best for everyone? What does it matter to YOU if others want to continue to pay fees to ebay?
PS.. I think you were given a nudge by the moderator once because of your comments about other posters...please don't give her a reason to shove you. You might fall down and hurt yourself and I am very squeamish when someone starts bleeding...plus i would hate to see you hurt.
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keziak
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posted on February 9, 2001 03:27:15 AM
I think it's a very valid concern, the issue of having inventory sitting on a free site for a long time before selling. Except...that's what happens routinely to those of us who list on half.com and Marketplace. You can track your stuff and decide at any time if it's overpriced or stale and needs a shot at ebay or thrown out. Meanwhile you don't have to do much, or pay additional fees, to keep the stuff there.
Deciding to stick solely with ebay just seems like the right approach to many people, and that's great. But I see a whole lot on this board about the detriments of an ebay monopoly. Surely it's in everyone's interests [buyers, too] to have competition and a variety of venues. But no venue will be worth anything unless a lot of savvy, quality sellers with good stuff list there.
I'd like to see Bidville make it, because Yahoo is dead IMO, and while I do sell on half.com and Marketplace, they ain't cheap. I would be very comfortable in helping to build Bidville, even if/when they end up charging FVFs down the road. If they can bring in the buyers, I'd think it totally fair to pay them a cut.
Right now I think the challenge is for everyone to try to make the site grow, by investing some inventory and spreading the word.
Unless, as I said, the ebay monopoly suits you fine.
keziak
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