packer
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posted on April 26, 2001 12:22:16 PM
capriole,
I checked my e-mail and I don't find a recent second post from you.
Try posting it again.
packer
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psalms139
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posted on April 26, 2001 12:39:59 PM
The "fancymama", that Packer is talking about, also sold drapes. In March of 2000 the feedback says the "drapes were beautiful".
The feedback is private..but if you click on the Me page, her feedback shows up. Yipes!! Seems this seller kept the money and didn't send items!
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Capriole
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posted on April 26, 2001 12:52:02 PM
I was right!
Great detective work Psalm139!
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ebayshop
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posted on April 26, 2001 12:55:46 PM
If you sell on eBay and buyer does not like your item and sends it back to (you did not mention in an items description that you don't accept returns), you HAVE to return money back.
Follow rules and don't cheat, as you did in my case.
You got my return and never paid me back. Even more. Not only you never replied to all my e-mails, but when, after waiting for almost a month, I left a negative feedback on you, you immediately left one for me with false information. Remember: our money will not make you richer, but WHAT GOES AROUND COMES AROUND!
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psalms139
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posted on April 26, 2001 01:04:11 PM
Capriole: Thank you. 
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BJGrolle
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posted on April 26, 2001 01:04:37 PM
I was on bedrest for 6 weeks when I went into labor 10 weeks before my son was due. So I know full well how awful it can be to be on bedrest.
However:
I was still able to write out checks to pay my bills.
So there is no legitimate reason short of being unconscious or dead to not write out a check and refund the money.
http://bjgrolle.freehomepage.com
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lattefor2
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posted on April 26, 2001 01:23:28 PM
I am under the impression that the color purchased was the original color of the auction, that is why BIN was used, so they could be purchased, end the auction, pay for the item, have the item delivered, and hang curtains. Then, other colors were made available to the purchaser, she did not want those colors she wanted the color offered at auction. The seller was then told that this color had to be special ordered. Do I have this scenario right? I am now wondering if only one auction is being used to then sell item and offer other available colors, can this be considered fee avoidance? The fact still remains after this period of time and much emailing back and forth this is still not settled. Seller has offered to get refund to seller by certain date. This is the first oportuinity that she will have these monies made available to her. Although it may not be the best way to do business and I believe she was using the receipt of the buyers money to first make the order for this particular color,the money should be sent as she stated. Any other reasons or excuses are just not acceptable, His mother paid she should get her item as ordered according to ebay auction description. At least this is the way I am interpreting this.
Also, sometimes people do not like to go into great detail, the buyer mentioned he bought curtains,I do not think it makes any difference who the actual purchaser was, its his family, not a co-worker or neighbor. In His original post he keeps mentioning we, so any reader realizes that he is speaking for more than one person that is involved in this transaction.
Latte
[ edited by lattefor2 on Apr 26, 2001 01:48 PM ]
[ edited by lattefor2 on Apr 26, 2001 01:51 PM ]
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packer
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posted on April 26, 2001 01:26:55 PM
Good job capriole, thank you for showing us the light.
What I don't understand is if "fancymama" has been a member here on AW for what was it....6 months?
How did she think she could get away with such a tale of "woe" with all the SUPER SLUETHS that hang out here.
It just amazes me!
packer
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misscandle
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posted on April 26, 2001 01:35:03 PM
Actually, Packer, she's been an AW member since July 1999.
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rdecker99
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posted on April 26, 2001 02:15:48 PM
Hey I just came back myself to see the Emails For the seller Post the threats if you like?? I have them all printed out nothing in here except demading money or curtains?? and the use of Federal mail charges?? Ebay usually reinstates' I would guess, because that was the amount of time you should have been kicked off???? If you want let these folks know the name of the company you got these from?? I do not care anymore I just want to see my mom's money OR THE CURTAINS sent?? I would like to see if you actually ever ordered these much less if you sent them back?? there never was a color issue What was the problem the day you got your $91 that includes shipping of $6?? why did you not send them this is what your auction stated !! Right?? You seemed very accomodating after I called the first time (some five weeks into this) and you said you were going to resend because of a missed addressed box?? she sent the address to you more than once email, it has never changed?? it was on the money order as well as the envelope?? Give me a break just another excuse?? you told me on the phone they would go out that day?? we waited another 8 days before she and I started demanding a refund etc. no threats Please send me a copy of anything that youm think is a personal threat !! I want to see it ?? Thanks again for trying to continue to make excuses for a bad deal on your end?? not my mom's!! This is getting to the point of bordom??
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rdecker99
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posted on April 26, 2001 02:15:58 PM
[ edited by rdecker99 on Apr 26, 2001 02:18 PM ]
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toke
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posted on April 26, 2001 02:21:56 PM
I really cannot believe someone just posted the number of cm of dilation she has incurred...in the context of an auction thread.
Perhaps you'll feel better, fancy, if you just return the money. It's prolly all the stress and whatall, causing you these grievous physical problems.
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ashlandtrader
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posted on April 26, 2001 02:24:13 PM
Wow-- this has been an interesting thread.
She should either send curtains or refund and just not deal with the son (no offense-- I understand why you are involved, but if it gets your mom something back that this is what is most important).
Fancymama-- do you now have this ladies address? Do you have the curtains to send her? The money if not, or a date when you can send her the money?
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rdecker99
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posted on April 26, 2001 02:26:14 PM
HI Latefortwo You have the jist of it except there was never a problem with the color this is more of her gorilla dust. it is simple she wanted the curtains she had a photo of in the auction Go figure right?? seems a simple deal to me I have done hundreds a few in the thousands with no trouble as have many of us?? I need to state again these threats are a ploy of sorts? and to tell you the truth let's say I email a thousand times (I DID NOT) !! what's the point she has money that is not hers to keep and curtains to deliver?? guess some people think Ebay is just a game I take it seriously and again I state MY feedback verifies this !!!
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ashlandtrader
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posted on April 26, 2001 02:27:41 PM
toke-- I thought that was kind of odd myself. :0) But whatever!
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MrsSantaClaus
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posted on April 26, 2001 02:28:57 PM
If you strip this whole thing down, it comes down to a few basic things:
1. Buyer sent money
2. Seller has curtains buyer wants
OK, now for the answer:
Repackage the curtains and have someone take them to be mailed.
If the seller cannot leave her home she can log onto ups.com or call the USPS and arrange to have them picked up.
This will also solve 2 other problems:
1. Buyer will have her curtains
2. Seller can keep the money
This solution does not involve anything other than auction basics. This has obviously gotten out of control.
Time to drop back 10 and punt.
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reddeer
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posted on April 26, 2001 02:29:02 PM
Toke ..... LOL No sheet!
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rdecker99
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posted on April 26, 2001 02:31:37 PM
ashlandtrader no offence taken at all I would have never had to send any message if she did deal with my mom?? all she had to do was send curtains and after the seven or eight weeks the money or the curtains?? I am not dealing with her at all this is why I am enjoying this opportunity here to let the reast of you know of this sellers intentions?? Thanks again
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Twelvepole
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posted on April 26, 2001 02:40:49 PM
NOT AND EXCUSE JUST REALITY OF THE TRUTH FOR INFORMATIVE PURPOSES
The truth is you owe this seller money back or the item and are using your pregnancy to try to garner sympathy.... geez.
Ain't Life Grand... 
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brighid868
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posted on April 26, 2001 02:43:27 PM
fancymama: I certainly hope you're planning on cancelling all your current auctions and not running anymore until after you deliver, because after all if you are on bed rest 24/7 there is no way you can continue to sell on Ebay is there?
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RainyBear
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posted on April 26, 2001 03:05:42 PM
brighid868 - she did cancel all her current auctions.
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rdecker99
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posted on April 26, 2001 03:14:23 PM
I noticed that also...fvintagelady PLEASE send ALL the all money OR the curtains! What you're doing is not the way to conduct business.
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packer
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posted on April 26, 2001 03:18:18 PM
She almost didn't have a choice but to cancel them with all the eyes here at AW watching.
It won't be safe to go back into the water until that baby is born.
OH what a tangled web we weaver.....and you'll know the rest.
I for one will be watching this seller with interest....got her bookmarked!
packer
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rdecker99
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posted on April 26, 2001 03:54:00 PM
Well she said she'd send it overnight on April 27th (refer to other thread "burned by a seller" minus the 20% restocking fee. (Which was not acceptable. We would like a full refund.) But she made no mention of a refund in any of these responses. So if it doesn't come you'll hear from us again..soon. I'll start a new thread this one's kind of long. Again thank you all for the support and THANK YOU ebayshop for lending your help in telling your story of never receiving your money back after returning your misrepresented item to her.
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mitzee
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posted on April 26, 2001 04:40:00 PM
The issue of credibility is been brought into this situation.
First, the feedback posted for the Seller (using her AOL account) shows at least one disgruntled Buyer who posted a negative and one other Buyer you presumably was concerned over timely delivery but understood "health reasons."
If in fact the Seller is the former fancymama, which i believe is one and the same especial in light fancymama also sold drapes and problems with follow through, then this Seller is a repeat offender. Fancymama set her feedback to "private" and also is no longer a registered user. Funny on quickly they can reappear using a different User ID, eh? What fancymama forgot to do was turn off the "ME" function/page which does show the negative feedback (perhaps a ebay program glitch for those with "private" feedback?
On the other hand, rdecker99 has a feedback rating of over 480 on ebay and NOT ONE negative as both a Buyer and a Seller. His excellent transactional history speaks for itself.
It seems to me the credibility of the facts makes more sense in favor of the Buyer (rdecker99 on behalf of his Mom) in that the facts don't add up. First the Seller says it was a special order, but the listing shows and states she has "many in stock" in color & size choices. No where in the litsting is it stating special orders are available or that the item had to be ordered.
The Seller, fancymama, or wahtever the new name is, is clearly changing her story. First, she had to wait for her husband's payday to issue a refund, next it was she was waiting for the company to issue HER a refund before she could return the Buyer's payment.
I think it is absolutely ridiculous for any Seller to accept payment for any item not in their possession UNLESS the Buyer is fully aware there will be a delay and agrees to those terms.
Credibility? A spotless record (rdecker99) or one with a new ID after going "private" and becoming "unregistered" and still spotted despite the low numbers.
Why should any Buyer have to wait 9 weeks for an item they paid for? To me, a reputable Seller would gladly return the money and not at the Seller's convenience, but in a timely fashion.
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gs4
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posted on April 26, 2001 04:55:25 PM
By this time i think most people know that the seller is less than honest. Whats sick is that she is using an unborn baby as an excuse for swindling people.
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rdecker99
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posted on April 26, 2001 05:02:19 PM
What is with Ebay anyway?? They seem like they need the 30cents here awful bad don't they??? This woman I did not know was fancymama I have this verified now !! Wow Ebay has no problem with letting criminals on this site with minor slaps on the wrist!! I think I will try and get all of us together for the Federal Fraud Charges and MY Lawer tells me it may be possible to at least file Small Claims on her and she will have to repay the $91 and the Travel Expences for My Mom and I to travel there We filed with Loyds of London but this may take several months! after seeing the fancymama feedback I have to say I am convinced she is a rip off artist Just enough so no one will go after her and enough to make a little extra free money!! I have not threatened her but I tell ya I could walk right through a wall thinking about her setting my Mom up for this!! Ebay owes an Expalination here!! She shopuld not be able to get on again bet the Phone number she has on File is the one she had disconnected But IF I ask for the information I will be the criminal?? The actual criminal get's the protection again!! Ebay was great in my eyes before this it is opened now They need to have some kind of better protection from people like this!! Too easy to get rteinstated and all for the 30 cents an auction!!I am long again sorry
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Microbes
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posted on April 26, 2001 05:22:26 PM
After reading this intire thread, I decided to answer the first question first:
>What too do when one bidder cost you bigtime ?
Give 'em their money back. Only time you don't give 'em their money back is when they have your merchandise, and they don't want to give it back to you. If I'm reading this all right (read the other thread too) The buyer never did have the merchandise, and it's been 2 months +. Give 'em their money back.
And I'll answer the last question last:
>What is with Ebay anyway??
It ain't eBay. I have a feeling that ebay has already expended more time investagating this than the final value fees where worth. (didn't someone say they thought the seller was NARU?) Ebay wishes this kind of problem wouldn't come up, it throws a monkey wrench in a well oiled machine. (well, maybe it isn't that well oiled, but I think you get the point).
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NearTheSea
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posted on April 26, 2001 05:22:51 PM
rdecker99-sorry about all that happened, isn't their something like postal fraud you can file?
gs4-yeah thats bad using the pregnancy in this, she did not have to mention it. But believe me its been done before. A seller, who does have Hep C, it is under control (I've seen her driving round town and shopping) took a month or longer to send items after people would pay with credit card. She told them all about her illness, And she GOT POSITIVE feedback, saying how sorry they were she was ill. I was shocked. I do feel for people that are ill, but if that is the case, not being able to take care of business, ie; refunds, ship items etc. They should NOT be selling online, or anywhere.
Doesn't this lady have a husband or significant other you could contact?
[email protected]
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shaani
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posted on April 26, 2001 05:35:47 PM
The fancymama ID burned out on June 02/99 and the one she is using now was started on Jan 01/01 so there may have been another one in between also. Who knows what the history is?
"and prayers are needed" says fancymama in her last post.
Let's pray the buyers get their money back.
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