abingdoncomputers
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posted on November 22, 2000 07:09:20 AM
At this point I think that the most important thing to have happen is to get this resolved as quickly as possible. Who the winner will be is almost a moot point when compared to the importance of beginning the healing process.
No matter who wins, his political career will be over in 4 years. No matter who loses, his political carrer will be over in a few days or weeks. There will be no major accomplishments during the next administration and there will be no major failures. The divided Congress will see to that.
Ultimately this process that is taking place right now will be a big net plus for the country. There will be campaign reform, election reform, and modernization and standardization of the voting system. We will have proved to the world that although we argue amongst ourselves we by and large rally around the winner and support the administration. Our Constitution and system of government will survive and grow stronger in the wake of this mess.
As a Bush supporter and Republican, I can hear the fat lady warming up even though she isn't singing yet. We will likely lose this election in light of the court's decisions. But in the end our country is more important than our own personal convictions IMO. If Gore wins, I will wish him the best and hope that he has a successful Presidency. I don't expect it because of the mess that we're going through right now, but I'll hope for it.
I really think it's time for both sides to step back and let the process take its course and support (as much as possible) the results. We don't have to support the President's policies and goals, but we do need to support the President as the leader of our great nation and (in effect) the free world. The Office of President of The United States should be respected and honored by the American people regardless of who holds it.
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krs
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posted on November 22, 2000 07:12:23 AM
Abin,
Is that your final remark? LOLOL!
How many more final remarks do you plan to issue?
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abingdoncomputers
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posted on November 22, 2000 07:17:07 AM
krs:
That isn't my final remark. There will be many more, but not in these political threads. I had not intended to reply to this or any other political thread until the election is resolved. But the originator of this thread is very emotional and I felt that I needed to reply. I'm sorry if my posts offend you as it surely isn't my intention.
Edited for speeeling.
[ edited by abingdoncomputers on Nov 22, 2000 07:18 AM ]
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shar9
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posted on November 22, 2000 07:36:28 AM
Gee, I looked for a place to show my voter registration card or a signed affidavit of my political party but Newt Gingrich nor Henry Hyde were standing at the door. Oh my, weren't they having an affair or 3 while flaming President Clinton? Thank goodness Henry Hyde's was only a youthful indiscretion.
I am certain if a person really felt this strongly against democrats they would certainly have posted a notice in their auctions that they would not accept bids or their "dirty, tainted money from a ,cringe DEMOCRAT because to do such a thing could be considered two faced.
I am also wondering if there is a requirement for person that would feel such hate for all democrats to check their fellow church members voting records, friends, places that they shop etc., to make certain they only deal with republicans?
I would have agreed to a re-count of the all the state to be fair. I would have liked that whether republican or democrat and before anyone says the vote has been counted that is not exactly true. Questionable chad's have been set aside. Bush had it been on the other hand would have done the same thing.
This is just MHO. Hate to me is such a nasty word and takes up so much time. I may strongly disagree but never hate my fellow man.
edited to add:
I may not care for the final winner but I will support the President of the United States of American no matter which one wins.
I would rather a democrat not win this particular election except for the importance of some issues I feel very strongly about. Bush nor Gore would have been my choice for candidate but that is now a moot point.
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krs
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posted on November 22, 2000 07:43:52 AM
Abin,
I'm certainly not offended, but given your previous thread: http://www.auctionwatch.com/mesg/read.html?num=28&thread=38452
I wanted to ask for YOUR understanding of finality.
I thought, hopefully, that you may be breaking new ground with a form of Perpetual Manifesto.
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figmente
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posted on November 22, 2000 07:57:10 AM
What is wrong with Florida that they think they should finish counting the votes before declaring Bush the winner?
Isn't that unconstitutional?
Perhaps the constitution should be amended to specify that Fox news should declare the winner so we don't need to be bothered with all this voting rigamarole.
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heyleigh
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posted on November 22, 2000 08:23:35 AM
abingdoncomputers:
You, Sir, are a class act and the best example of a quintessential American patriot. I am in complete accordance with your eloquent, well expressed opinion, and proud to post in your company. Many opinions in this thread are well expressed (Jada, et al.), applause all around. Thank you all, but most especially, thank you abingdon.
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abingdoncomputers
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posted on November 22, 2000 08:27:49 AM
heyleigh:
Thanks for your thanks but most posters here do a fine job IMO.
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heyleigh
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posted on November 22, 2000 08:40:18 AM
Indeed, they do. I am glad you continue to involve yourself in this discussion, all points, all opinions have merit; I am glad you are still here sharing yours. 
[ edited by heyleigh on Nov 22, 2000 08:42 AM ]
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njrazd
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posted on November 22, 2000 09:32:59 AM
abington...I have come to believe we were separated at birth! 
Regardless of the turmoil, when all is said and done, life does go on and we live with the decisions made. I hope the next four years allows both parties to refigure their strategy to at least find candidates that people want to vote for instead of against. I think voters want to be proud of their choice and feel comfortable that even though their candidate does not come out on top, the winner will still be a decent person to govern and bring integrity to the White House.
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That's Flunky Gerbiltush to you!
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sgtmike
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posted on November 22, 2000 10:21:51 AM
IMLDS2
Ignore the direct and insinuated insults - the moderators are. You express your feelings as you wish. There are a few (very few) here that are able to discern what you (really) mean.
You are instinctively comprehending what is (really) happening regarding the enabling of a possible overthrow of a national election by a "activist" Democratic court.
The matter at hand transcends the court battle regarding the election process. You are now experiencing a bastardization of all laws, corruption of the courts, and, eventually, the Constitution.
You will receive a verbal beating by the ignorant. Just put them in the right slot and move on.
If the Democrats "steal" this election, I will paste a waterproofed photo of Gore inside my toilet. To turn the cheek is to condone what has occurred and what will occur in the future.
[ edited by sgtmike on Nov 22, 2000 10:24 AM ]
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scrabblegod
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posted on November 22, 2000 10:30:26 AM
The following is to the best of my understanding so do not take it as gospel (as you should take nothing you read on a chat board).
The court has handed down a hurdle but it is just that, not a brick wall.
Harris has to accept the recounts, but that does not mean she has to certify the vote. If she thinks there is error or FRAUD (Demoncrates) in the way it was tabulated, she can refuse to certify the vote in which case it will be up to the good (Republican) Legislature not the bad (Demoncratic) court to give us a winner.
Anybody who thinks it is fair to count only the votes you want to the exclusion of the ones that may go against you is obviously an idiot or a thief (Demoncrate).
I am sure we will hear all the cries of partisianship, but strangly they were missing when the Demoncrate owned court chose to take up this issue without being asked (at least not behind closed doors). It was obvious in the way they spoke to they lawyers which side they favored.
To me the perfect senario is for the recount to be done and Bush win by one voteor a larger margin than he now has. That is a great in your face
Do not get down now as Bush WILL Prevail.
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RM
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posted on November 22, 2000 10:39:02 AM
sgtmike wrote:
"If the Democrats "steal" this election, I will paste a waterproofed photo of Gore inside my toilet. To turn the cheek is to condone what has occurred and what will occur in the future."
But won't that amount to turning TWO cheeks?
and "waterproofed photo"??? Why protect him??
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snowyegret
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posted on November 22, 2000 10:46:28 AM
sgt. mike: EEWWWW! That's worse than gators coming out of the toilet!
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sgtmike
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posted on November 22, 2000 10:46:50 AM
RM
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figmente
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posted on November 22, 2000 01:07:21 PM
It seems that the overseas absentee ballots in question are require hand counting and as the GOP has decided that is unconstitutional they realy shouldn't be included. Darn, the votes of people currently working on the federal payroll should be worth more than those Palm Beach retirees which we don't want counted.
They should only count ballots from republicans anyway. If Bush loses that implies that the election was stolen.
Current national popular vote counts show Bush trailing by 300,000 votes, that proves he's already won.
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njrazd
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posted on November 22, 2000 01:49:32 PM
IMLDS2...I did want to mention that you need to avoid falling into the hate rhetoric. It's not healthy and will only hurt the cause. It's up to us to remain upbeat and positive about our country. It's only by being enthusiastic and passionate about our postitions that we can encourage others to agree with us.
And if we could make it through 8 years of Clinton, 4 years of Gore will be a piece of cake!
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That's Flunky Gerbiltush to you!
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figmente
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posted on November 22, 2000 02:56:42 PM
Yes, Look forward to victory so we can get back to record breaking federal budget deficits every year.
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CleverGirl
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posted on November 22, 2000 04:12:01 PM
Anybody who thinks it is fair to count only the votes you want to the exclusion of the ones that may go against you is obviously an idiot or a thief (Demoncrate).
Or George Bush. Isn't that what he's doing? "Nope, you can't count votes that didn't already get counted in Democratic counties. I won WITHOUT them, so now tim'es up and you can't count them." Never mind that the law again and again and again comes down squarely on the side of counting what votes the voters CAST if they didn't get counted before.
I am sure we will hear all the cries of partisianship, but strangly they were missing when the Demoncrate owned court chose to take up this issue without being asked (at least not behind closed doors). It was obvious in the way they spoke to they lawyers which side they favored.
LOL. Yes, they favored the law. It was obvious from the questions they asked the poor bloke trying to defend the indefensible, and even more so from his answers, that Bush's camp was on very shakey ground legally.
You can IMAGINE that the decision was partisan, that it was actually made before the arguments before the court were heard, but the simple fact of the matter is that the FL Supreme Court came down on the side of the law, and lots of it. You'll see from the Supreme Court decision, unless THEY rewrite the law themselves and say all recounts are unconstitutional unless done throughout the whole state (highly unlikely IMO).
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IMLDS2
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posted on November 22, 2000 04:18:28 PM
It is GOOD to be amongst fellow republicans..I really didn't EXPECT the democrats to honor my request to leave us alone...after all if they don't like the rules(yes...I KNOW I can't OFFICIALLY exclude you...but I politely requested you to butt out TWICE)..
I will ONLY speak to those I've asked here..so dems you can do what you want..you WILL be ignored.
'A FAIR AND ACCURATE count of the people'..that is what GORE says...over and over and over til I want to GAG.
So today Miami said 'NO RECOUNT' and GORE said 'Follow the law...if you won't I'll MAKE you!'...
Al Gore flip flopping again like he has through this whole thing....sigh...
It is very clear to me that our very RIGHTS are being threatened by this illegal activity going on in FLA.
Why can't others see that if we change the electorate college that all of the heartland of America (you know...the MAJORITY of the states that voted BUSH) will no longer have an even say in America and it's future. That is the REASON the electorates are there...to give EQUAL importance to EVERY VOTE..even if it isn't Calif.-NY etc.
What I see surfacing now is that there were TWO seperate campaigns being fought before election day...BUSH was running the legal/correct one...GORE was running on popularity...(as far as I KNOW there hasn't been a FINAL TALLY as to if Gore actually did get the popular vote! There is still over a million votes in California alone that are to be counted).
I THINK that this was a plan of Gore's all along if he didn't win. He planned (and thanks to a telemarketing firm escalated this BS about the 'every vote/too confusing etc'...)to ELIMATE BOTH BUSHES future political careers! Take 2 out with one blow...only they didn't run like the Dems thought...
GORE AND CLINTON are looking more and more alike aren't they? I was so looking forward to having 'respect' for the Presidency again...but not if GORE gets in...he really meant it when he told a reporter that he would do ANYTHING to be elected and Bush wouldn't...so I don't know WHY we are surprised that he is doing exactly what he said.
I say that HARRIS should REFUSE to certify the 3-4 counties in question. Simply don't count their tallies for ANYONE...that is fair...only since they are DEMOCRATIC strongholds I bet the dems would/will really squawk loud and hard when/if it happens.
If Harris were to do this, Bush becomes Pres..I know I would think she needs a reward like a prominent position in Bush's cabinet.
If Gore becomes Pres. I will work super hard to make him a ONE TERM pres....I will NOT have an ounce of respect for him at all...I will write congressmen etc to bocott the inaugural...and I will SUPPORT both houses making it a living hell for someone who so blatantly stole the presidency.
I admit I didn't think this crap would happen and so I didn't actively help Bush win(don't even have a sticker on my car)...I could have begrudingly accepted GORE if he'd won on the 7th...but NOT after all this deceit.(I will NOT feel he is EVER telling us the truth ..just like Clinton)..he has made a MOCKERY out of what my relatives died for in the different wars.
WRITE K. Harris and ENCOURAGE her to NOT certify the questionable counties!
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CleverGirl
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posted on November 22, 2000 04:26:44 PM
WRITE K. Harris and ENCOURAGE her to NOT certify the questionable counties!
Nahh, you don't have to waste your time doing that. The FL legislature has already weighed in and are planning to take matters into their own hands if the courts don't give them what they want. The REPUBLICAN controlled FL legislature, let me hasten to add.
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njrazd
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posted on November 22, 2000 04:31:39 PM
and a DEMOCRATIC controlled Florida Supreme Court, I might add.
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That's Flunky Gerbiltush to you!
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chococake
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posted on November 22, 2000 04:43:06 PM
WOW, Gore planned this all along? Gosh, I thought most Republicans didn't think he had a plan at all. Guess he fooled you. LOL
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IMLDS2
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posted on November 22, 2000 04:46:31 PM
Democrats are so QUICK to shout PARTISAN regarding ANYTHING the republicans do...
But if it's stacked in THEIR favor 'why..how DARE you imply partisanship!'.
REPUBLICANS ARE RILED UP! GORE HAS DECLARED WAR AND WE'RE GOING TO FIGHT BACK!
BTW...this WONDERFUL GORE bozo couldn't even carry his HOME STATE...can you imagine what GORE will do to TN if elected?
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jamesoblivion
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posted on November 22, 2000 05:09:15 PM
Good Lord. *rolls eyes*
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siggy
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posted on November 22, 2000 05:16:56 PM
Yeah, I hear they're preparing the concentration camps already.
Good Grief.
Yeah, Gore planned this all along, except there was a slight miscalculation. It was supposed to be Rhode Island, not Florida. But the busloads of illegal aliens, homeless, bored students and Chinese scientists working undercover were hijacked en route to Providence. They overcame the hijacker (a suspected Nader supporter) and then voted, a hand count mind you, to go to DisneyWorld instead. Tragic.
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spazmodeus
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posted on November 22, 2000 05:33:35 PM
It is GOOD to be amongst fellow republicans..I really didn't EXPECT the democrats to honor my request to leave us alone...after all if they don't like the rules(yes...I KNOW I can't OFFICIALLY exclude you...but I politely requested you to butt out TWICE).
I will ONLY speak to those I've asked here..so dems you can do what you want..you WILL be ignored.
Have the Moderators already begun their time-off for the holidays? I can't recall a thread in which demands were made for other AW registered members to stay out of a discussion (excluding, of course, Moderator's Corner and CG appeals). Why is this behavior allowed to continue? It generates bad feelings, it's rude -- and what's more it flies in the face of BASIC ETIQUETTE.
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KatyD
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posted on November 22, 2000 05:39:03 PM
lol @ siggy! 
KatyD
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rawbunzel
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posted on November 22, 2000 05:45:38 PM
Spazmodeus, I am wondering about the moderators myself. Clearly we have someone here who is only here to disrupt the forums and insult AW members. Borders on threatening peoples lives. Can not imagine why there has been no moderation.
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krs
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posted on November 22, 2000 05:46:53 PM
Don't neglect the prohibition of hate speech, Spaz.
The reason I bring that up is I'm feeling that same RAGE the Blacks had...towards democrats! I NEVER hated democrats before this circus of the last 2weeks and the way they are MANIPULATING to steal the election.
But I HATE them now! I don't want to be governed by Al Gore...he makes me gag when I see him...I LOATHE him.
Or does that prohibition extend only to racial and religious hate speech?
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