posted on July 13, 2001 01:08:14 PM new
just a thought-
how long and how much can paypal absorb all these losses before it either raise fee or go under??
some of us think paypal should remain free forever,then some think paypal is greedy in raising fee,now we want paypal to eat the chargeback.
i would like to hear from someone how can any service stays in business ??
posted on July 13, 2001 02:25:08 PM new
Still no word as to why PayPal customer service says that chargebacks are against their TOS while paypaldamon says they're okay?
posted on July 13, 2001 02:41:12 PM new
there is another thread on a lady who bot a used laptop from a used car salesman and the version sh egot is not what she expects.
paypal said the same thing,not involved in merchandise not as described squabble.
then someone never ship,when asked to ship,ship a box of rocks.
why cant people buy from retail stores like compusa or bestbuy ,even pc makers have factory outlet on internet you can bid on??
if you want a laptop that badly ,wait and price will fall!!!!!
posted on July 13, 2001 03:28:19 PM new
<<why cant people buy from retail stores like compusa or bestbuy ,even pc makers have factory outlet on internet you can bid on?? >>
What? Sounds like this makes the buyer the "bad guy" . If everybody bought from a store there would be no need for ebay.
At what amount is it too much to be frauded out of?
Why can't people be honest when they sell? That is the question.
posted on July 13, 2001 03:41:46 PM new
there are certain things people should think twice before buying on ebay or off the street ,in back alley,pawn shop etc.
depends on how much you are willing to risk,600 dollars to me is a lot of money to risk.
of course it would be nice all dealers are honest and all customers do not write rubber checks,there is a patch of swampland in florida i would like to talk to you about,it could have 1 billion barrels of oil,some experts said.
posted on July 13, 2001 03:46:17 PM new
And I would like to talk to you about a keyboard I have that has space keys and a shift key for capital letters.
~Not barrelracer on ebay, don't pick on them!~
posted on July 13, 2001 07:35:57 PM new
I'm still wondering why PayPal customer service told one of their customers that chargebacks were against PayPal's TOS while their rep on this board says that customers do not lose their chargeback rights when using PayPal, but it doesn't look like this issue is going to be addressed anytime soon.
posted on July 13, 2001 07:49:08 PM new
may be paypal should be more selective in whom they do business with,stupid buyer,dishonest seller should be excluded.
that piece of swamp land in florida should be listed on ebay and see how many wil bid ?
a billion barrel of oil reserves,sweet texas crude calibre,throw in low maintenance drilling equipments with diamond bits at a daily rate of 99 cents .
what a deal
posted on July 13, 2001 08:22:11 PM new
mrpotatoheadd
<<I'm still wondering why PayPal customer service told one of their customers that chargebacks were against PayPal's TOS while their rep on this board says that customers do not lose their chargeback rights when using PayPal>>
I suppose both statements could be correct.
Issuing a chargeback could be against paypal's TOS, however paypal can not prohibit you from actually doing a chargeback with your credit card, they can only punish you for it by either restricting your account or dropping you or whatever their punishment of the day is.
I remember when paypal first appeared and had new rules every time you looked at their TOS, and you asked Damon a question and he was gone for days while they were figuring out the answers. Paypal was not well thought out when they first appeared. (Always Free! ) comes to mind, and they are forever playing catch up.
On the other hand, in another post, refering to a buyer as stupid is never a good practice, and unfortunately every buyer that gets "scammed" affects every decent honest seller in that bad news travels fast.
~Not barrelracer on ebay, don't pick on them!~
posted on July 13, 2001 08:33:18 PM new
barrelracer-
Issuing a chargeback could be against paypal's TOS, however paypal can not prohibit you from actually doing a chargeback with your credit card, they can only punish you for it by either restricting your account or dropping you or whatever their punishment of the day is.
That may well be, but it sure sounds nicer the way paypaldamon says (spins?) it, doesn't it?
As an FYI, buyers tend to like PayPal because they have their charge back rights intact, as well as potential recovery through our Buyer Complaint process. Many services do not offer this, which is something that a consumer would want to be protected from an unscrupulous buyer)
Of course, this begs the question:
Which other services can actually prohibit a chargeback (as opposed to just not wanting you to make one)?
posted on July 13, 2001 08:39:01 PM new
<<as well as potential recovery through our Buyer Complaint process. Many services do not offer this, which is something that a consumer would want to be protected from an unscrupulous buyer>>
Well, potential sure sounds "hopeful" , much like "You could be a winner" in the sweepstakes!
posted on July 13, 2001 09:37:40 PM new
i have been selling on ebay for 5 years,5 years ago when 20,000 listing was a big deal!!
these days
i have found my customers to be smarter and smarter,they know what the items are worth and they do not overpay.
but then i do not sell estate jewelry ,electronic goods,antiquarian books or expensive antiques.
after reading the posts on AW,a pattern seems to emerge,i would not call buyers stupid,may be becasue they somehow got brainwashed that they can steal on ebay,last minute sniping,prey that dealer has no place else to sell,low ball offer after auction end,or they think they are the only one who can spot a bargain no one else can at that moment.
i often ask myself why would someone sell a good used car which runs well? same can be said about digital cameras and laptop computer.
sure,there are good reasons like someone just want to upgrade,but then like many used cars,owners want to dispose the item because it is a lemon.
in this case,the seller bot it from somone and just want to unload on the next sucker who in his opinion should try to unload it again.
if we want to clean up the show,it would have to start with ebay,raise the barrier of selling on ebay so dealers with good merchandise and credential can sell,these dealers would not give away their merchandise so the price will be higher.
if a buyer cant or wont pay that price,then go to epier,bidville or wherever and take their chance there.
if paypal wants to go along and offer its service,then paypal will have to decide what fee should it charge to make it worthwhile??
but then i am not sure ebay is moving in that direction,it is bringing in half.com and books are to be sold at 1/2 of listed price and some sell at 75 cents.
once again,when biders get used to buying books at 75 cents,they probably think they can have everything at 75 cents.
posted on July 14, 2001 08:04:54 AM new
Determine if the person you paypaled has an ebay account. Paypal will not help you, don't even try. If the person you paypaled has an account, email [email protected] he'll be naru'ed or warned. You can get your $120 back from ebay. I have received a check from their insurance company for an auction merchandise that did not meet the description. It is
a real PAIN but if you follow thier steps it works! Get a 3rd party to write a letter
decribing the problems with the computer
and notarize it, ebay will need that.
Do that BEFORE you try to send it back to the seller. Leave NEGATIVE feedback NOW.
I think you will get all your $ back less the $25 deductible from ebay, but it will take
90 days or more.
My rule:
DON'T BUY ELECTRONICS on ebay unless you
get a 100% money back guarantee and
they are established sellers with no history
of screwing people.
I will only pay for these items with a credit card because I can do a chargeback should a problem arise.
posted on July 14, 2001 08:37:52 AM new
what do you mean by ebay account?
to sell on ebay,every seller must have an ebay account,if he is selling items on consignment to him,he is still selling under his user id and be charged to his ebay account?
if he has been NARU after the sale closed,he probably has cleaned out his paypal account and closed or disconnected his bank account with paypal.
IBM is coming to ebay,so we should not say never buy electronic goods on ebay.
there are many sellers of such goods on ebay who also have retail shops and are established dealers of ibm,compaq etc,just have to check out which are the good dealers.
may be we should say dont buy electronic goods on ebay from individual sellers who has just have one item to sell .
