posted on November 27, 2000 01:05:46 AM new
uhhhh Spaz would you mind ammending that statement a bit? I don't wished to lumped in with anyone today...maybe tommorow..tommorow sounds like a good day for lumping, don't you agree But today I have taken my lumps and I want no more lumps today.
(yes I am tired..not I'm not insane (yet) ..)
How ya doing there Spaz?
Rawbunzel I triplr dare you to fit 4 more v words in there and make it work hehehe
posted on November 27, 2000 01:13:16 AM new
Well, the poor boy had no choice after Queen Katherine declared him the winnah.
As to the count, she didn't let that piddlin' lil ol' count bother her, she just used the count from two weeks ago for WPB even though they turned in what they had finished at the appointed time.
Only good thing I see is that maybe after four years, we'll be rid of the Bush family in politics for awhile. Naw, I know that's not gonna happen (in my best Dana Carvey a/k/a George Bush voice).
posted on November 27, 2000 02:41:32 AM new
Morning to all,
Well hail hail Queen Katherine annointed King George----
I thought another GW (George Washington) fought for our democracy a long time ago. I think he'd be
turning over in his grave------
zelda
posted on November 27, 2000 03:59:08 AM new
Mybidness: You're back!!!
But not all of Texas goes for that-South Texas and part of West Texas went for Gore.
posted on November 27, 2000 04:51:21 AM new
Bush is declared the winner by a margin of 537 votes, without the (legally requested) hand counts of Miami-Dade and Palm Beach County.
I still go back to my original question:
How, with such a narrow margin (the margin election night was a wider but still narrow), could the Bush camp "know" (their word) that they won Florida on election night when Gore was declared the winner based on exit polling?
The networks made their projections for Florida, and every other state, on election night based on exit polling conducted by Voter Services.
The odor of this whole thing hasn't gotten any sweeter for me, no matter how much cologne Baby Bush puts on to mug in front of the cameras.
posted on November 27, 2000 05:45:22 AM new
By the way did everyone see the mayhem in the Dade county election offices when Bush supporters stormed the room screaming and demanding that the recount stop? Is this intimation???? Did boy Bush win because the Dade county election officials were afraid to continue the recount? Is this how we do things here?? Don't tell me that this was a spontaneous demostration. The only way to finally resolve this is to have a hand recount for ALL of Florida as soon as possible with the same rules for each county. Only then will there be an legitimate President.
Humanity I love; it's people I can't stand
posted on November 27, 2000 05:55:41 AM new
Ahh...Katherine Harris. One of the reporters on MSNBC reported last night that a source within Harris office said that right up until the 5 PM deadline, Harris had legal counsel meeting with her to determine her legal right NOT TO CERTIFY the results if the ending tallys on the manual recounts came in the other way, in other words, in favor of Al Gore. The reporter stated that Harris was planning on refusing to certify the election results, should this scenario occur. I find it interesting that she was willing to defy the Florida Supreme Court. Now that Gore will be contesting the certification in court, one remedy if made in Gore's favor, would be overturning the certification Harris signed. This could get very interesting, in light of her refusal to accept the Palm Beach manual recount tallys or to extend the deadline a mere 2 hours so they could finish up. I've asked before, if everything is on the up and up, why is George Bush so eager to be declared the winner before the votes are completely and accurately tallied? Because he knows he didn't win the majority vote of the people, and he knows he didn't win Florida. Do not forget that there are over 10,000 votes in Dade County alone that were not counted due to the machines not registering a Presidential vote. And of course Bush does not want those looked at because they will prove that he did not win Florida. The man will do what it takes to win at any cost, including dishonesty, and that says everything about his lack of character.
posted on November 27, 2000 05:56:46 AM newBy the way did everyone see the mayhem in the Dade county election offices when Bush supporters stormed the room screaming and demanding that the recount stop? Is this intimation????
Maybe we are talking about two different protests. The protest in Dade county I saw was about them moving the recount behind closed doors, not demanding it be stopped.
One of the canvassing board members has said to the news services that the protest had nothing to do with the decision to stop the recound, but it was based on the issue of time restraints.
posted on November 27, 2000 06:05:45 AM new
If I hear Bush say one more time "it's for the good of the country" I am going to kick my TV. Did I miss something? My life hasn't changed in the past two weeks. None of my friends for family members lives have changed. In fact when I look out the window I see the same thing as I did before. Granted the media has extra material. The comics are having a field day. The only ones whose lives are affected are the ones that are letting it affect them. For me at the moment it is just annoying. That's just me.
posted on November 27, 2000 06:13:38 AM newOne of the canvassing board members has said to the news services that the protest had nothing to do with the decision to stop the recound, but it was based on the issue of time restraints.
Well another canvassing board member told CNN that the decision to chuck the recount was due the mob action of the protesters and the fear for their physical safety. By the way, uaru, the recount was not being moved "behind closed doors". There were observers from both Republican and Democratic parties to be present at the recount. It was simply a change of physical location. The "behind closed doors" spin came from the Bush people, and was not true at all. Any way you look at it, pushing and shoving is physical violence, and it was mean't to intimidate, and it did. It makes me sick that this is among the dishonest means by which Bush et.al. will stoop to. Talk about a Banana Republic!
posted on November 27, 2000 06:13:43 AM newThis could get very interesting, in light of her refusal to accept the Palm Beach manual recount tallys or to extend the deadline a mere 2 hours so they could finish up
Isn't it a bit strange the democrats are so outraged about the Palm Beach hand count not being certified when they'd already gone on record they would challenge in court the results because they didn't feel enough 'dimpled' ballots were being counted?
Democrats, "We charge that the Palm Beach count isn't viewing the ballots the way we feel they should be counted!"
Democrats, "How dare K. Harris refuse to accept the Palm Beach hand count!"
Can someone explain their reasoning to me, do they want to accept the Palm Beach count or dispute it?
posted on November 27, 2000 06:17:18 AM new
George Bush said he was "humbled? He may be a lot of things but "humble" is not one of them.
George Bush just wants to get on with things so he can "create a New Administration'? What new is there to create? He has all his Daddy's old crew in fact, I wonder who will be speaking when Georgie opens his mouth? His Daddy, Reagon, Baker, Cheney? I just hope they remember to "pull the right chain" when he opens his mouth.
Oddish,
I wouldn't think of lumping you in with a certain other. You are too rational.
posted on November 27, 2000 06:21:10 AM newDemocrats, "We charge that the Palm Beach count isn't viewing the ballots the way we feel they should be counted!"
Democrats, "How dare K. Harris refuse to accept the Palm Beach hand count!"
Can someone explain their reasoning to me, do they want to accept the Palm Beach count or dispute it?
For the simple reason, that as in Dade County, it defies belief that thousands of voters will go to the polls to cast their vote for County Dogcatcher, but refrain from casting a vote for President. Don't you find that hard to believe, uaru? As for Harris refusing to include the counted votes submitted by Palm Beach, her attitude of "all or nothing" negates and disenfranchises those voters whose votes did count as ruled by the Palm Beach Canvassing Board. And yes, there is going to be a Constitutional issue there. Not that it matters, since Harris apparently was willing to risk the wrath of the Florida Supreme Court should the tallys gone the other way. Her partisan behavior is a disgrace.
KatyD
(ubb)
[ edited by KatyD on Nov 27, 2000 06:22 AM ]
posted on November 27, 2000 06:25:26 AM new
Do you posit, uaru, that the reason Harris refused the recount results is that that count was not conducted in a manner agreeable to democratic views?
If you are, then you are right, there is no inconsistency.
However, if she refused the recount results for any other reason, then the conduct of the recount, and her acceptance or refusal of the result are entirely separate issues and are completely inconsistant.
Since Harris heerself refused the count in her own words for reasons other than that the recount was conducted with partiality, your statements of wonder make absolutely no sense.
posted on November 27, 2000 06:40:11 AM new
Wow, tokay99, those months are moving along quickly.
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I really enjoyed seeing the Florida Supreme Court in action. I can only hope we are allowed to view the proceedings in the U.S. Supreme Court on Friday. I think it would be a nice birthday present for me.
If I remember correctly, didn't the Florida Supreme Court give 2 different days/times for all counts to be in: Sunday @ 5pm (if the Secretary of State's office was open) or Monday 9am?
That was the only problem I had with their ruling.
Did anyone really think Ms. Harris wouldn't exercise her discretion and open her office on a Sunday (a very unusual occurence, I'm sure) so that she, the co-chair of Florida's Bush campaign, could declare her candidate, Baby Bush, the winner?
posted on November 27, 2000 07:21:25 AM new
If the Bush followers think they can bushwhack the entire country,they will be in for a sad mistake. If history repeats itself, not since Rutherford B Hayes will we see such an ineffective president take office,oddly enough that disputed Presidency was settled by a special bipartisan group. Both the Democrats and the Republicans accused each other
of fraud. Sound like Deja Vu?
If Bush,moves into the white house he will find he will be moving into a very weak presidency,mainly because the American public will not forget.If Bush had let the votes be counted throughout the whole state as Gore asked for and still won, he would have earned the respect of the American people..... All I can say is good luck GW cause you will need it-----
As for Al Gore, I admire his uphill battle----Like Harry Truman I say Give em hell AL
Zelda
[ edited by zeldas on Nov 27, 2000 07:25 AM ]
posted on November 27, 2000 07:50:29 AM new
Hi enchanted I miss our bagels LOL!
I got myself too involved in all of this----I even schlepped George down to the Broward County Courthouse. I took pictures so I could save my little bit of history---- Funny but the same protestors that were there for Bush were also in W Palm Beach. They were bussed to both rally's. I am not a sore loser, just would have liked to see Bush win with an honest count. I think the American public deserved that, and truthfully if Bush had any integrity he would have wanted that too.....
Most Americans usually overcome the loss if their candidates lose, but this election is going to leave a void in the American people.....Z
posted on November 27, 2000 07:52:44 AM new
Hi femme,
I enjoyed watching the Fla. Supreme Court too but I don't think the US Supreme Court allows cameras but since it will be your birthday maybe they will make an exception. (we can wish though).
posted on November 27, 2000 08:11:35 AM new
Remember...the Florida Supreme Court denied Gore's motion to force Miami-Dade to recount. I wonder if they will reverse themselves now.
posted on November 27, 2000 08:35:01 AM newToke, I don't believe the Florida Supreme Court denied Gore's motion to force a recount in Miami Dade County. I don't think that was an issue ever put before them. It was the lower circuit court (Judge LaBarge?)that denied the petition to require that county to conduct a manual recount. By the time that denial came down, by the way, it was moot, since there wouldn't possibly be enough time by Sunday 5PM to complete it.
KatyD
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