jumpinjacko
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posted on August 11, 2001 11:22:03 AM
Hello AW THREADERS......
I was wondering how some of you feel about PORN on eBay....
Yesterday an old business associate approached me about liquidating some
excess adult DVDs ....he has some 5000 of them to get rid of.....
I looked up a few on eBay and was amazed at how many there were .
To set the record straight ..I personally do not have a problem with
selling anything as long as it’s legal ...I don’t think my crew would
have a problem ether.....After thinking about it for a couple minutes...
I told him.... I didn’t need the money ....or the headaches that would
surely accompany his product...as I telling him that I could see
1000s of dollars sprouting wings and flying out the window....
My question is ...
“ Do you let morals values get in the way of profit...?”
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EBAY ID
JUMPIN*JACK
[ edited by jumpinjacko on Aug 11, 2001 11:33 AM ]
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celebrityskin
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posted on August 11, 2001 11:28:05 AM
Nope.
I would be happy to sell them.
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mrspock
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posted on August 11, 2001 11:34:29 AM
I think you did the right thing. I wouldn't have a problem selling them but I would be concerned about some sheriff or da somewhere deciding to get moralist on you
Wouldn't be worth the risk
To address your question YES I look at morals over profits
spock here......
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jumpinjacko
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posted on August 11, 2001 11:41:23 AM
Thanks mrspock.....
It was a Hard (pardon the pun) call to make
with that kind of cash at stake.....
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EBAY ID
JUMPIN*JACK
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gs4
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posted on August 11, 2001 11:43:53 AM
If you wish to do this, fine. Cash is cash.
Best to set up a new ID for this. Some people that sell on the regular ebay site and on ebay's adult site find it best to keep the two separate.
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jumpinjacko
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posted on August 11, 2001 11:48:27 AM
gs4
Yes that was my first thought.....
What would you have done.....?
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EBAY ID
JUMPIN*JACK
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skeetypete
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posted on August 11, 2001 11:50:07 AM
it's not illegal so i see nothing wrong. as for letting morals get in the way, they are legal adult vids, not kiddie porn, so i see no problem there either. I believe in Living your life as you see fit, don'tlet what others call morals or lack of, dictate what you do.I am big enough to knopw whats right and wheats wrong. The sex industry never has a recession, sex sells baby!!
[ edited by skeetypete on Aug 11, 2001 11:50 AM ]
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gs4
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posted on August 11, 2001 11:51:35 AM
Watch them first for quality control. 
Then sell them under another ID.
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jumpinjacko
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posted on August 11, 2001 11:58:53 AM
Oh.....I took a couple home....
You know.... SAMPLES
I have to be gentle my DVD player is still
a virgin.....
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EBAY ID
JUMPIN*JACK
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rancher24
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posted on August 11, 2001 01:33:54 PM
FWIW, I "inherited" a large number of adult books/mags, which I do intend on selling. They are old & well, I just don't have the heart to trash 'em (sick?, perhaps!) BUT I will, for sure, create a new ID from which to sell them. "I" don't have any problem with them, but I don't want to offend any of my current/potential customers who might...
~ Rancher
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REAMOND
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posted on August 11, 2001 04:06:47 PM
The problem with selling "adult" material on the internet is where your buyer lives. Some jurisdictions will make an example of you if you ship the material into their area.
Hamilton county in Ohio banned Hustler magazine. Flynt spent some time in jail for selling his magazine there. I think Flynt eventually won his law suit, but do you have the resources he did to fight them ?
The state of Utah can also cause you problems. Some adult material sellers often have a list of area codes where they won't ship to, others have you "agree" to a statement that you can legally receive and possess this material in your area, which won't hold up in a criminal prosecution.
I think it is only a matter of time before some small adult material seller on eBay winds up in jail because they don't have the money to fight an obsentity prosecution.
Along those same lines, I think it will only be a matter of time before a small seller gets nailed for selling weight loss pills after someone dies from them. The same goes for selling used items that may be defective and harm someone. If you're a "business", the same rules that apply to Ford or any other business apply to you regarding product and other liability.
I have seen threads on here about people attempting to sell banned items, with full knowledge of the danger of the item. You could lose everything you own selling this stuff.
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engelskdansk
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posted on August 11, 2001 05:20:58 PM
Yes, I definitely believe moral values take precedence over profit. The definition of "legal" is so broad there isn't much it doesn't cover (and there is little correlation between what is legal and what is just).
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mballai
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posted on August 11, 2001 09:09:01 PM
Porn wreaks havoc on innumerable marriages, it is very prevalent in the lives of serial killers and rapists, it puts many young men and women into lives of prostitution and drug addiction. Almost all of the porn industry has very strong links or is directly run by organized crime.
It's profitable all right, but for whom and at what price?
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REAMOND
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posted on August 11, 2001 09:23:15 PM
The same thing can be said about religion.
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mballai
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posted on August 11, 2001 09:35:30 PM
Or politics, but I think porn is probably the worst.
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kythryne
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posted on August 11, 2001 10:10:44 PM
Last time I checked, porn hadn't hurt my marriage. And for the record, I'm a woman.
Not my name on eBay or anywhere else...
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mballai
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posted on August 11, 2001 10:46:16 PM
Read 'An Affair of the Mind' by Laurie Hall if you don't think it doesn't have a negative affect on marriages.
The very word derives from the describing of the practice of prostitution. How many women would want their husbands going to a prostitute I wonder.
FWIW, I find it interesting that eBay will ban all sorts of things in an effort to be just so politically correct, but they are so money grabbing that they can't let go of the money from porn. In so doing, they are a lot like other major businesses which have gotten quite significant revenue from porn. I find it kind of hard to think of these pinstripe corporate biggies as pimps, but if they traffic in this stuff, they are no better than the ones on the street who send girls out for tricks.
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edhdsn
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posted on August 11, 2001 11:03:26 PM
One man's porn, is another man's art. In other words "Where do you put the cigar? Just ask Bill!". If most folks think it's an ashtray, then it's an ashtray.
edhdsn
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jumpinjacko
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posted on August 11, 2001 11:07:13 PM
You have a way with words ...edhdsn
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EBAY ID
JUMPIN*JACK
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jumpinjacko
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posted on August 11, 2001 11:27:24 PM
mballai ....I would say hard core rap music has more
of a negative and violent influence on society than does
porn...yet everyone sells it from Wal Mart to jumpin jack
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EBAY ID
JUMPIN*JACK
[ edited by jumpinjacko on Aug 11, 2001 11:28 PM ]
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sadie999
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posted on August 11, 2001 11:39:39 PM
eBay is pretty user-unfriendly when it comes to selling in the mature adult category. The "I'm an adult" sign-in sheet appears everytime you try to look at another item, (or it did unless they've fixed it).
I have no problem with porn for/by adults, but I was thinking you might try another venue.
There's a site called BounDtoSell.coM that used to be a good site to sell. It was recently sold on eBay, so you might want to see if the new owner hit the ground running, or if they're not up yet (so to speak).
Do you sell on yahoo, jacko? If not, this might be a way to develop a presence of sorts.
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edhdsn
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posted on August 12, 2001 12:29:15 AM
Thanks JUMPIN*JACK , just looking a dime from an additional view(on the floor 10 feet a way, not sure if it's anything 1/4" from your eyeballl could be a silver dollar). I do agree that running Barbie Dolls, and a mint edition VHS of "Behind the Green Door" under the same ID, is an area of concern, so if the items you sell may attract young lookers, ebays rules not with standing, use a second ID to sell the tapes, list in the adult area, and cross index your Id for feed back warm fussies. Ed
edhdsn
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frits
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posted on August 12, 2001 04:35:40 AM
Hello Jumpinjack,
Yes selling and business has to do with morals also.
You cannot make profit out of everything. Ofcourse you can, if you choose. But the price you pay, is, you start to stink.
I don't want to attack you personally by saying this; so don't feel offended. But this is what i have seen and stick to.
I must add, that it is not always apparent where to draw the line. But I would refuse to sell or deal in pornography and the like.
Vriendelijke groet,
Frits
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mballai
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posted on August 12, 2001 08:28:38 AM
JUMPIN JACK
My thoughts regarding that sort of music is largely the same as porn. The respectability of those who traffic in them, or the widespread acceptance or traffic, doesn't magically make them respectable by association. It really does the opposite.
It gets more difficult to sell today without adding to the problem by dealing in things that are questionable. I hope you will pass on this one. I've turned down profitable business that I found troubling only to find that other business more than made up for it. I think you will too.
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quickdraw29
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posted on August 12, 2001 08:34:05 AM
I've done some porn sales, and it's like selling anything else. Why do you think there will be headaches selling these DVDs? Cover yourself legally by putting a disclaimer "must be over 18", and when shipping, on the inside wrap put a notice inside saying it "contains something of sexual nature", in case it gets in the wrong hands. Ebay already screens buyers in the porn area, and the listings are unviewable unless a CC is on file.
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twinsoft
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posted on August 12, 2001 09:08:25 AM
It doesn't have to be a moral question. It may be a matter of your own personal comfort zone.
I wouldn't sell porn because it is a vice that trades on people's weakness. I wouldn't sell an item that I believe is ultimately harmful. (Though if someone paid me a million dollars to auction a Playboy magazine, I would probably do it.)
Some may see this as a free speech issue. Still others may see pornography as an art form. No matter what your stand, I would suggest there are considerations beyond purely financial, in any business transaction.
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jumpinjacko
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posted on August 12, 2001 10:23:22 AM
The funny thing about porn is nobody wants to deal
with it because most of us who think it’s a problem
still enjoy it....
It kind of reminds me of the last piece
of cheese cake setting on the table after dinner..No body
wants to be the one who takes it..No body wants to talk
about the cheese cake yet every body setting around the table
is thinking about it..So what happens...? It gets put in the fridge
and around midnight when everyone is in bed... you get up and eat it..
QUICKDRAW asked what kind of headache would you get
from selling these DVDs..16 years ago Jack and I had a business
selling adult Videos...This was the day before you could go down
to the corner video store and rent them or go to the flea market and pick
one up for 5 bucks...back then they were very hard to get... You
had to go to a adult book store to buy one to the tune of 50 to 60
bucks...business was go until I had the bright idea of placing
an add in the back of a few Adult magazines..offering them to the
public as mail order.....We had problems with everyone from the
staff to the US Postmaster...Then the Morals hit me..they hit me
real hard one particular day....the day I wrote a company check and
pay my kids Tuition at Holly Cross a Catholic school I had them in...
It’s one thing to teach good values and it another thing to practice them..
One love
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EBAY ID
JUMPIN*JACK
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meadowlark
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posted on August 12, 2001 11:14:43 AM
Jack,
The very fact that you ask the rest of us what we think says to me that you at least feel somewhat uncomfortable with proceeding with it and that you do want to do the right thing. Keep your own counsel. If you feel it's the least bit wrong or questionable, do not sell them. Don't compromise your own values just because anyone else does it or says it's okay. The real question is what do you think/feel about it.
Morals absolutely apply to business, for what one does in business does absolutely affect one personally.
Ethics is a very personal matter. I hope this helps.
Patty
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Crystalline_Sliver
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posted on August 12, 2001 12:16:15 PM
jumpinjacko: Wal-Mart has a long standing policy not to carry Parental Advisory CDs and M-rated Video Games. Gotta uphold the "Corporate Image..."
As for the Porno, It's more than what you might think.
For example, he offered 5,000 DVD's?? You sure it's not VCD?? Or Knock offs from Asia??
Also, you might be surprised how people "Sexual Express" themselves. Just watch Real Sex or Sexbytes on HBO (or Sexcetera on Playboy TV if your "rich enough".
But, I have to agree that you have to put your business plans first than profits. If doesn't involve Porn, then just drop the matter.
Thata, and the Singapore and Japanese Customs guys will come after yas if you sell porn.
:\\\\\\\"Crystalline Sliver cannot be the target of spells or abilities.
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morgantown
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posted on August 12, 2001 12:24:09 PM
Once I felt embarrassed to auction an antique enema kit. I was no longer embarrassed when it sold for nearly $500! 
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