posted on February 6, 2002 02:47:04 PM
nufsaid: This lie of hers is particulary pernicious. I negged her after the *second* check bounced and the *first* check had not been made good.
First check returned by our bank 12/20/01. We advised her 12/20/01. The second check was returned to us 01/17/02. We advised her 01/18/02.
We negged her at that point because 28 days is more than enough time to make good on a bad check (the first one). Anyone "in the process of working it out" would have done so. In our note to her 12/20/01 we advised her she had 10 days to resolve the issue. Obviously no resolution was forthcoming.
posted on February 6, 2002 03:20:50 PM
Please save me the spiel "I don't accept Paypal". If this is just about $$ then why not accept payment when it was sent weeks ago? What?...Afraid of a little $3 fee?
Look, she clearly stated in her auction what payment methods she accepted. You bid.
You are expected to abide by those terms.
You have no right to ask why bettylou may or may not accept paypal, especially after trying to violate her TOS in the first place.
Some sellers accept paypal. Some do not. It is their choice. PAYPAL CAN HAVE PROBLEMS TOO!!! (chargebacks etc.). I accept paypal, but if I didn't and a buyer clearly violated my TOS I would do exactly what bettylou did.
If I walk into a business that does not accept personal checks and I try to pay by check that doesn't give me the right to walk out of the store with the merchandise while saying
"I tried to pay. You didn't accept it. What are you afraid of? I guess it's your loss."
Bottom line: You did not pay for the merchandise she sent you!
Here is one of the feedbacks you left:
"If you weren't so rude to me I would have followed through. Your loss!"
While I have serious doubts that bettylou's
"rudeness" was nothing more than anger over the NSF checks......Let's assume that
she was rude.
You admit that you didn't follow through on the purchases and blame your behavior on her
rudeness.
RUDENESS (WHETHER JUSTIFIED OR NOT) IS NOT AN
EXCUSE FOR NON PAYMENT (AKA STEALING)
If I walk into Wal-Mart with the intention of buying merchandise and am greeted by rude
employees, I have every right to not buy the merchandise and leave the store.
I HAVE NO RIGHT TO TAKE THE MERCHANDISE LEGALLY AND SAY i'M NOT PAYING. THEY WERE RUDE TO ME.
If that were a legally accepted argument,
everyone could shoplift and steal and say that they were treated rudely and become very rich.
I do commend you for sending a money order
to cover bettylou's NSF fees. That was a nice gesture on your part. However,
she didn't receive the Money Order.
Bettylou could be lying, but I tend to believe otherwise.
She has shown that she trused you when she sent your items without waiting for your check to clear. Why would she lie about not receiving a MO if she did receive it.
That probably means that it was lost in the mail.
If a seller sends items which are not received by the buyer, it is the seller's
responsibility to refund or reship. I've
done this once.
Likewise, a buyer who sends payment that is lost should resend payment.
By the way, I am puzzled by another feedback you left:
"So I understand you have a habit of cashing checks that are not for you--NICE!"
Please explain how she did this? How is it possible when you made the checks out to her.
She cashed them. They bounced.
79/7535=1.04% Negs68/7535=Less than 1% Neutral
7388/7535=98% POSITIVE
Finally, I have reason to doubt whether or not you would have resent payment via bidpay
if Bettylou had failed to contact the police.
In your mind, you made a paypal attempt and
by not accepting it, you believed that Bettylou was at fault and your obligation to her was fulfilled.
In this case, Bettylou got the police involved and "harassed" you.
Getting the police involved may have been
the only thing that caused payment to be sent...A catalyst of sorts designed to produce the desired reaction. It seems to have worked.
posted on February 6, 2002 03:41:08 PM
Oh please! I sent you payment immediately upon hearing of the NSF. I have the reciept for the money order I sent you. As you have stated over and over in your auctions, "I am not responsible for lost mail" well neither is anyone else! Upon returning from my trip, I initiated communication with this seller to make sure that she rec'd the MO. The response I got was rude and abusive, so I paid THAT day via Paypal, which the buyer refused! If she had accepted it this would have been dealt with weeks ago. But instead you seem to need someone to take your anger out on. As far as taking the high ground...yeah right! After I had sent 2 payments she called the cops and then harrassed my family. The local police here think you have a "stalking" mentality and I have to agree. If everything you said is true I would be in jail. I proved my case to the local police with DOCUMENTATION. What documentation do you have except for this stupid thread and the feedback? Can you prove anything you've said, except that you rec'd 2 NSF's from me? No, you can't. I admit I made a mistake and I have done everything in my power to correct it. You have fought me the whole way. You have confirmation of payment now and still you won't let it go! I even paid $20 to get mediation on this situation. The agreement was that I would pay for the items I've rec'd, which I HAVE and the others would be cxl'd as both Square Trade and Ebay felt that if you were unwilling to work this out, and you have continued to harrass me, there was no indication that I could TRUST you to send the merchandise. That is water under the bridge. You have rec'd payment and FVF...what more do you want? If you say more $$$ then you're dreaming!
As far as the comments that I am dishonest because I would have paid sooner and that this thread is 2 weeks long, I say this... I did pay immediately. I have attempted to pay this woman 3 times! I only became aware of this thread today when "Betty" decided to let me know she had posted it. I am also a seller and would never treat anyone in this manner. As for the person who thinks 34 Negs is a good rating, well, I have 3. That's it. So what do you say to that? And the 3 I have are very mild compared to some others...I won't mention names.
posted on February 6, 2002 03:44:15 PM
Mrs. deadbeat,
I too have a big problem with what is going on here. You have had MORE than ample time to make payment good.... If you truly wanted to. You are full of lies. The 100 neg feedback issue is just the beginning. I do accept paypal, but it is at a risk. I have had 2 buyers file charge backs for me after I have shipped items, and they have had it several weeks. This is one of the drawbacks to paypal. Thankfully for me, I contacted the buiyer, and we worked things out, and they later sent me payment and a written apology. I have serious doubts if that would have ever happen in this case. Seems like from the time line of these happenings (date of the auction ending, date of the shipment, date of the NSF check, date of the paypal, date of the police phone call, date of the "3rd promise to pay", date of the bidpay money order... that you are to blame here. I just hope you do not like anything I sell. Bettylou is a much more patient person that I am.
Betty lou.... I'm sorry this had to happen to you, but I'm glad she has been expose as the person she is....
posted on February 6, 2002 05:04:00 PM
OK, here's what I think:
Weebitowhimsy sent NSF checks, probably not on purpose. Bettylou was a little irate when that happened and it came across in her dealings with Weebit. Weebit knew she had to make good on the checks but decided to be as uncooperative as possible (based on her thinking that Bettylou was being rude), evidenced not only by her feedback for Bettylou but also by the fact that she waited until the last possible day to pay via BidPay. Since there's no way for us to know whether the phantom money order was actually mailed that can't come into play.
On top of that each party thinks they're 100% right and that the other person is a complete jerk. That's the makings of a standoff right there.
I'm glad we were able to hear the other side of the story since I've been watching this thread with great interest. Bettylou, you have some nice stuff listed. If I buy any I promise my check will be good....
posted on February 6, 2002 05:24:15 PM
Hi RainyBear:
I'd buy your "probably not on purpose" theory except for the dates on the checks:
11/27/01
12/16/01
They were written 19 days apart. This isn't a case of someone making an error in their check ledger and having a bunch of bill payments bounce as a result.
This looks more to me like someone who writes checks without regard to whether or not they are good.
posted on February 6, 2002 06:08:54 PM
Also, Betty fails to mention the check I sent her in between these 2 that did not NSF. Why would I have sent you a good check if my only purpose was to defraud? I am not that kind of person. Hopefully, now that you have your $ this whole ridiculous issue can be dropped. I thank all of the Ebayer's who have emailed me regarding this situation and who have come forward to show their support. Thanks again.
posted on February 6, 2002 06:20:42 PM
And you is an awful speller, but hey, we can't all be intelligent.
Yes, I dragged my butt. But if you were being treated this way you'd make her wait too. You just don't know til you are in the situation yourself. It is over now. Was the ashtray remark supposed to be funny? It wasn't.
posted on February 6, 2002 06:36:19 PM
Couldn't wait to get home to hear the next episode of The Bouncing Check.
It is hard for Whimsey to come in here and defend herself at this late date, but she is wrong. That is in my estimation and if this had happened to me I probably wouldn't have any hair left or really any Zoloft left. When someone takes your merchandise and pays for it with a rubber check, I feel it is up to the rubber check writer to make it right and do it right away not 3 months later. All this talk about ebay member check bounced so that made my check bounce, my husband took money out of my account etc. This gets old, just like the story, sorry I couldn't answer because I had surgery and all the other crap we sellers get when someone wins an auction. I truly am sick of it and it seems to be getting worse. I accept paypal but everytime I do I keep my fingers crossed that the transaction will turn out right and PayPal doesn't have to dip into my checking account. When I write a TOS I expect it to be followed. I will not change it for a seller no matter what and Bettylou was right in not accepting PayPal. What don't you understand about I do not accept PayPal So don't pay her through PayPal. But when you pay her it should be with funds that are readily at your fingertips not opps I had a bad check from an ebayer and I didn't have the funds for her check. Poor excuse. Well, this Soap Opera has finally come to and end. I learned one thing. I do not hold checks but if it is a high end auction I will hold that check for as long as it takes to clear. I don't care how long a bidder has to wait.
Take care Bettylou, chalk this up to a bad experience.
posted on February 6, 2002 06:39:30 PM
WeeBit, you said "But if you were being treated this way you'd make her wait too." Whether or not the seller has a bad attitude b/c of your bounced check, you have no right to make somebody wait. That's the stupidest thing I've ever heard. I bounced 2 checks to my school. Both were accidental. 2 years apart. not my fault. Then they dragged me into a meeting to tell me if I bounced another check they would accept nothing but cash from me in the future. Did I harass them as long as possible to get them back? NO. I realized, hey, I'm the one who did soemthing wrong here. They're right. Whether or not the bounced checks were your fault, she has the right to be angry about them, b/c they certainly weren't her fault. I just started accepting checks recently, and I guarantee that the first one that bounces is going to the USPS Postmaster General for mail fraud. I'll bet when they're nailing the person for passing a bad check, they won't be lenient b/c I was 'gasp' rude to the criminal.
posted on February 6, 2002 07:04:45 PM
Drbrown: First of all I am not a criminal! Second of a all, if you too have had NSF checks then you should understand that sometimes things happen out of our control. Does that make you a criminal? You claim your NSF checks were through no fault of your own, and you tried to correct the problem immediately. Well so did I. She wanted payment that day and the only way I could make that happen is via Paypal. Also, she has been the harrasser, I am the harrassee. Not the other way around. Honestly, you don't know me or her. If you did I'm sure you'd see things differently. No one really knows what happened here but "Betty" and myself. So your opinions are rather hasty and unfounded. How would you like people to call you a fraud, a liar, and a thief because you also have NSF checks? Sounds like the pot calling the kettle black, if you know what I mean.
posted on February 6, 2002 07:23:39 PM
NSF checks are illegal....PLEASE WAKE UP!!!! Here's what I think: If the checks came back as NSF, you had to have known that because the bank charges you a fee. When you became aware of that fee, why did you not deposit the money to cover the checks so they can be put through the system a second time??? Sorry...no excuses...simple common sense...you wrote checks that were worthless...the verdict is in...: GUILTY!
posted on February 6, 2002 07:29:50 PM
Your right. I did tell "betty" to resubmit the check for payment and she said that her bank would not do so. Also I contacted her as soon as I was contacted by the bank to let her know what happened and what I was going to do about it. Your verdict is unjustified as you do not know all the facts.
posted on February 6, 2002 07:34:27 PM
Mrs. Weebit,
Your right. No one here knows you or betty Lou. We do know that you wrote her NSF checks, then dragged your feet getting her the money because "if you were nicer... i wouldn't have cheated you". That doesn't sound like a person that wants to "make something right"?
I do also commend you for showing up here and telling your side of the story. Without that, we would think you are some "bad check writer person". Now we know you are also something else.
I would not want someone to call me a liar and a fraud. That is why I go out of my way to correct a wrong that I have done. If I make a mistake, and I have, I try anything possible to correct it. What ever it takes.
posted on February 6, 2002 07:44:44 PM
I find it rather humorous that I am the only person in this thread who has not hid behind a psuedonym. Even "Betty" wouldn't reveal her true identity until I pushed her to do so. I have nothing to hide. If I did I'd be hiding behind a screen name too. You all seem to be brave when no one knows who you are. Well guess what, you don't know me or my situation. And PLEASE don't tell me that you're one of those people who believes everything they read. Just because I am late getting to the "stage" doesn't mean that I am anything near the person I have been made out to be. I would have responded sooner if only I knew this thread existed. I only found out today and as a person with nothing to hide I marched in, with my real login and told the truth. You can choose to believe me or not. That's your right. Doesn't really matter to me. I know that I have tried my best to correct this error. I only felt that my side needed to be told. I did not come here to try and win a popularity contest. I came to tell the facts. If you can't see that then why do you even bother replying? Betty has been paid. So can you guys either get a life of your own and stop being so involved in mine, or move on to another unsuspecting victim. It seems Betty is satisfied. It's over and done!
bigdaddy: What else has my coming here today shown? That I have nothing to hide.
posted on February 6, 2002 07:46:59 PM
WRONG!!!!!! Banks will put a check through TWICE...as a matter of fact MOST banks will do so as SOP (standard operating procedure)... I am just stating my opinion on the facts YOU STATED...not bettylou's...YOU STATED you were not a criminal for writing bad checks...the FACT is writing BAD CHECKS is a criminal act which you ADMITTED to. No matter how you look at it, you wrote a worthless piece of paper...no excuse makes up for that... you yourslef admitted that had your husband deposited money all would have been ok...sounds like you're living paycheck by paycheck...what the hell are you doing buying things on ebay when you should concentrate on using your checking account money on providing for you and yours...
posted on February 6, 2002 08:01:53 PMbettylou
I made a pot of coffee before reading your FBs and forgot to drink any until I was done reading. Oh my! A happy ending would be to get the negs removed. If not, you seem to be getting enough new +'s every day to push all that off the board really fast. Love your lady bugs!
Someone explain bidpay, please. They mail or email mo's or what? Someone just paid us by bidpay by accident (we don't accept bidpay)and I am curious????
posted on February 6, 2002 08:15:50 PM
weebit... my point was that when you're the wrong one... passing the bad checks... you're in no position to try to teach the person you passed it to a lesson. I mean I just can't understand your attitude. You're like, yeah I passed a bad check, so let me teach her a lesson about how she should treat people who pass bad checks.
and oh, as far as hiding -- this is not ebay... some of us actually have accounts here at AuctionWatch and weren't even thinking about these forums when we signed up for our name. But like so many different things, I use a few different screen names at different sites. Since this one is like my email, I decided to use it. I suppose if someone has a hotmail address and an AOL instant messenger account with different names that person is hiding? Because you're comparing apples and oranges. For others the issue is that we don't just talk about you. We talk about all kinds of things, including our business. And in order to protect our trade secrets (not that I have any) we don't want everyone to be able to see everything we sell. That way we can talk freely about business without giving away the farm.
bidpay is where the person uses their credit card to buy a money order online. (The buyer pays the outrageous fee)... then bidpay emails you and tells you that the money order is coming. at that point it is hypothetically safe to ship. however, in a few days you'll get a letter with a real live money order. you can wait til then to ship if you want. it's a western union money order. It's good for buyers who don't have to time to go out and get a money order, b/c they can do it from their computer.
While I don't officially accept it, there's no reason not to, b/c it's a money order. I just don't advertise it, but if someone pays me that way, I'm cool with it.
posted on February 6, 2002 08:20:35 PM
masujoviga--
Your right, most banks do submit checks twice, but Betty's small town bank would not. She told me this herself. (Not her fault, I live in a small town too.) Not an excuse, the truth.
As far as your other comments, haven't you heard? We are in a recession. People are going off to war and being killed. People are losing their jobs at an alarming rate (Enron for instance). Children are going hungry and yes, some of us do live paycheck to paycheck. This has been the worst economic decline in recent history. So forgive me for not having a trust fund or loads of cash. I have something that obviously you don't. It's called compassion. So does it make you feel superior to judge me? My family and my finances are no ones concern but my own. You have no right to lecture me in this way. I have made restitution. What with all of your money you couldn't come up with something better to do tonight? If I didn't know any better I would think that you are a relative of Betty's.
posted on February 6, 2002 08:57:07 PM
<As far as your other comments, haven't you heard? We are in a recession. People are going off to war and being killed. People are losing their jobs at an alarming rate (Enron for instance). Children are going hungry and yes, some of us do live paycheck to paycheck.>
SO PLEASE EXPLAIN WHY YOU ARE BUYING NON ESSENTIALS ON EBAY???
<This has been the worst economic decline in recent history. So forgive me for not having a trust fund or loads of cash. I have something that obviously you don't. It's called compassion. >
WRONG. COMPASSION I HAVE! I FEEL SORRY FOR YOUR CHILDREN WHO MAY BE GOING HUNGRY BECAUSE YOU NEED TO SATISFY YOUR WANTS BY BUYING ON EBAY. THAT IS COMPASSION! WHAT I HAVE THAT OBVIOUSLY YOU LACK IS A SENSE OF RESPONSIBILITY. HOW RESPONSIBLE IS IT TO BUY HUNDREDS OF GOODS ON EBAY WHEN YOU POSSIBLY COULD USE THAT MONEY FOR GROCERIES!
So does it make you feel superior to judge me? My family and my finances are no ones concern but my own.
YOU'RE RIGHT. HOWEVER, WHEN YOU COMMIT A CRIME YOU ARE ENDANGERING YOUR CHILDREN. YOU SHOULD BE REPORTED TO CHILD SERVICES!
You have no right to lecture me in this way. I have made restitution. What with all of your money you couldn't come up with something better to do tonight?
I DO NOT HAVE "ALL THAT MONEY". I ALSO LIVE PAYCHECK TO PAYCHECK. HOWEVER, THOSE PAYCHECKS ARE SPENT RESPONSIBLY, I.E. FOOD, MORTGAGE, EDUCATION, ETC. NOT ON EBAY GOODS.
If I didn't know any better I would think that you are a relative of Betty's.
NO I DO NOT KNOW BETTYLOU. I JUST AM USING COMMON SENSE. DO YOU KNOW HOW TO EVEN SPELL THAT?
posted on February 6, 2002 09:05:11 PM
How do I get in touch with a moderator? aweebitofraud violated AuctionWatch guidelines by posting my real name on this forum.
posted on February 6, 2002 09:17:36 PM
All: aweebitofraud has been caught in so many lies that I'm kind of surprised anyone buys her assertions about my horrible and rude and nasty and awful and ugly treatment of her.
I'm happy to post the complete text here of every email I've ever sent her. I don't think it's necessary, but I'll do it.
But consider this, if you will.
What's the first reaction of a child caught with her hand in the cookie jar and sent to her room?
Isn't it: "You're being MEAN!"
This is a person who reacts badly--very badly--to anyone who tells her what she has done is wrong.
posted on February 6, 2002 09:30:39 PM
Hi alwaysbroke:
Well, all that caffeine might not have been good for you anyway.
Even people who've been selling on eBay for a while get the payment services confused. My sweetie still has to have the differences between Billpoint, BidPay and PayPal explained every couple of weeks.
BidPay is a service where you buy a Western Union money order online using a credit card. There's a minimum $5 fee for this; the actual fee is scaled to the amount of the money order (I think). I can't think of a reason for not accepting BidPay payments if you accept money orders, but hey, I'm always learning. Just be sure you cash the m.o. before shipping.
Last Christmas we shipped without waiting for the m.o. to arrive and it worked out well. Some days the mail would have 40 or more BidPay m.o.s in it; it's getting very popular.
One lady read me the riot act for NOT suggesting she use BidPay; every week someone writes to complain because we now DO mention BidPay in our end of auction letter. Ya can't win for losing.
posted on February 6, 2002 09:50:22 PM
In reference to Bettylou's comment on "Got ya". This is the only way I could prove what I was saying is true. You have been slandering me here for weeks and I certainly have a right to defend myself. As for your dark personality, that is fact, not making it up. Do you realize that if you were better to people they would be better to you? Should try it sometime. It isn't necessary to post the emails, afterall, who knows which ones you'll include, and what will be edited.
In reference to masujoviga's comment: I buy and sell just like the rest of you. I am disabled, have been for 4 years now and this is how I make a living. So you see, I'm not as selfish as you imagined.
Well folks, it's been fun but I have a life and would like to get back to it now. If you'll all excuse me, you can continue the witch hunt without me. You got your payment. End of story.
posted on February 6, 2002 10:06:59 PM
masujoviga:
One last thing. I don't have any children and no one is going hungry. Child Protective services...Give me a break! I am also a responsible person who made a mistake. A criminal is someone who intends to defraud. I did not. Stuff happens, you deal with it and move on. It sounds like there's alot of biterness on this thread. It must be rough to be you. So negative and so quick to judge when you really don't know WHAT you are talking about. Can you spell that?
And who the hell are you to tell me anything? You don't know me, you have never dealt with me and until today you had no opportunity to get to know me or the real story here. This isn't even YOUR fight. So how can you judge and threaten me like that? I guess the negativity here is really getting thick.
posted on February 6, 2002 10:27:01 PM
<Well folks, it's been fun but I have a life and would like to get back to it now. If you'll all excuse me, you can continue the witch hunt without me. You got your payment. End of story.>
Guess the above was another lie eh? Sorry, but liars bug the feces out of me. Your reply stink of dishonesty and thus I got involved!
<I am also a responsible person who made a mistake. A criminal is someone who intends to defraud. I did not.>
You wrote a check without having funds to cover it....hmmmm....last time I checked that's an attempt to defraud...Did someone else write that BAD check for you or did you UNINTENTIONALLY sign it and send it on its way? LOL, not 1 but 2 checks....nahhhh, fraud....impossible...
Judge Judy would have a field day with you!!!
Nevertheless, unlike you, I tell the truth and thus I will tell you that this is my last post on the subject. Pity the fool who believes any of your garbage!
