posted on April 20, 2002 10:18:24 PM new
The armoire was already in route when the buyer made this demand for $160 for his cabinetmaker to put the piece together. We did not send it since I lost faith in the transaction. He stated that if he didn't receive the $160 he would refuse delivery again, so I cancelled the delivery.
I don't know how sueing for $600 odd dollars can be profitable. I don't think anyone would have anything much to gain in small claims court.
posted on April 21, 2002 07:57:49 AM new
Well I quess the lesson here is that you will no longer offer to have someone else put these unit's together.
Let the buyer do it and you stay out of it, same as shipping. You can tell them the name of the shipping outfit if they ask, but let them arrange their own from now on.
Once again, It's sad that you had to waste so much time and energy on these losers.
Best of luck in the future to both of you.
posted on April 21, 2002 08:32:26 AM new
It is sad that you ended up loosing this case. You should have won. You did everything you could. The buyer was a complete ass.
While the outcome was not what you expected, you did the right thing. There are many people who get ripped off and do nothing. It is about time people stand up and defend themselves against fraudlent lawsuits. It is just a shame the judge could not see the truth. Perhaps if you had a different judge the outcome would have been in your favor.
posted on April 21, 2002 08:49:04 AM new
While I lost the case, these buyers are the real losers. They had to build a fortress around themselves because they have many problems such as this one. They rarely go out of their house and have resorted to buying things on E-Bay because they are afraid to leave their home and wish to avoid court service. The process servers had done a background check in the past and had dealings with this buyer numerous times before. I guess their punishment is just being themselves and having to live like that. I don't need a guard dog, I can walk out in my front yard with a clear conscience. I do my best to deal with my business transactions in a Christian manner. We describe our merchandise completely and have repeat customers that have given us very positive feedback and have no negatives at all. We did our best but the cards were stacked against us. Who is the patron saint of impossible causes? St. Jude?
posted on April 21, 2002 12:28:41 PM new
I admit my curiosity has gotten the best of me: What kind of eBay feedback does this buyer have? Given the circumstances, if their feedback wasn't exemplary, I wonder if a polite, well-worded letter to eBay Safe Harbor summarizing your nightmare might at least give you the satisfaction of seeing them removed and possibly save other sellers from going through equally horrific experiences. Certainly buyers have been booted by eBay for a lot less than this. The law may not have supported you, but documented facts often speak for themselves.
posted on April 21, 2002 02:24:29 PM new
Daleeric,
Do you know if your "winner" is still using ebay to bid on auctions. I wish we could find out who this bidder was so that we can all avoid this person. If it happened to you it will happen again to someone else.
posted on April 21, 2002 05:31:28 PM new
Yes, the wife just bought a $200 pair of designer sandals recently. They had one negative and I contacted the seller who was an attorney in Arizona, now an Antique Dealer and he said it was the most "bizarre transaction of his career," which I believe. They never paid him and he gave them a negative and filed a non-paying bidder notice. They were offended and they gave him a negative stating that they found out the sideboard was damaged which it wasn't. They had contacted me about help in shipping the piece since my shipper was reasonable and when I inquired about the purchase-they never responded and then I saw their negative. The rest of their feedback is good. He will let her buy designer clothes online but not furniture.<br>
Since he made threats on my answering machine, I could get him NARU'ed possibly. But then couldn't they register under another name if they had another credit card?
Is it worth doing?
posted on April 21, 2002 06:11:41 PM new
no,using a different credit card is not enough to fool ebay,one way is to go to your mother's house and use her pc and register her credit card under her name.
and the only time it is safe to log on to ebay is when you are at her house,never do it in your house on your phone line and on your pc.
same goes with paypal.
be careful not to email his sellers,you could be turned in for ebay auction interruption and could get suspended.
posted on April 21, 2002 08:37:23 PM new
That was after the other seller's negative was posted, just wanted to know what their experience was. I wouldn't e-mail a seller to interfere with the auction.
posted on April 23, 2002 12:34:28 PM new
Stopwhining.....I'm not a computer expert, but that doesn't jibe with what I've been told.
If you are on a dialup connection (which gives you a dynamic IP address) I believe the only thing you have to do to hide your tracks is clear all the cookies from your browser cache. This doesn't work for always-on connections....but I doubt eBay is sniffing for banned IP addresses anyway, since most people still connect through dialup, making the IP address essentially worthless. As long as you clear the cookies, you should be home-free....and if you're not, I'd sure like to know about it!
posted on April 23, 2002 10:22:30 PM new
My husband mentioned that Pentium 4's have a digital signature/serial number that can be transmitted electronically. Pentium 3's don't have that feature, so they can't tell who the user is. That is how he explained it to me.
The countersuit was wiped out when the judge ruled in the buyer's favor. My husband was actually hoping for a draw at the very most. I was really expecting to win the case, so this ruling was a complete surprise to me.
I have lost faith that this can work out no matter what we do. I was going to ask the shipper if they would like to contribute towards the judgement. Since the judge ruled that the "driver was unwilling and unable to assemble the armoire" perhaps they would be willing to give a refund. 100% of those funds were paid to the shipper. I was going to ask if they could do anything in that regard; I did my best to defend their employees and quality of their service. I will ask for the refund and let it be their decision.
What kind of cookie blocker do you have, Reamond?
[ edited by daleeric on Apr 23, 2002 10:24 PM ]
posted on April 25, 2002 08:40:00 AM new
no,using a different credit card is not enough to fool ebay,one way is to go to your mother's house and use her pc and register her credit card under her name.
and the only time it is safe to log on to ebay is when you are at her house,never do it in your house on your phone line and on your pc.
same goes with paypal.
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I doubt ebays today is willing to go that far to stop suspended users. Last year, I reported a seller who was shilling by creating 7 bogus biddig account using his aol, and they did nuke him. but this year, that guy is back, using 7 more new aol, keeps shilling, I keep reporting him, they just email me a canned response. So if they are butt lazy to check a seller doing a obvious shilling that a blindman can see, do you think they will check up on previously NARU'ed ebayer?
posted on April 25, 2002 09:11:14 AM new
I would hope that they would have some kind of database for this kind of thing. But who knows, perhaps they don't. I did report the buyers yesterday to Safeharbor. I do believe it is against E-Bay Rules to make harassing or threatening phone calls to another member. Did I read that somewhere?
I try to put the judgement out of my mind, but everytime I think of it-I just can't believe it. Now you know why we see tons of stupid disclaimers everywhere in business. I bought some leather conditioner for some antique chairs that I purchased. On the bottle it warned that the "buyer should NOT wax their steering wheel or driving gloves." I had to laugh when I read the directions, but who knows. Perhaps there is someone that would lose control of their car because they were on a leather conditioning spree and decided to wax everything!
I also asked Ebay for a refund of their fees due to extraordinary circumstances. I don't think it is right to have me refund the buyer when I was charged for these items by other companies.
[ edited by daleeric on Apr 25, 2002 09:13 AM ]
posted on June 1, 2002 08:03:35 PM new
I reported the Baliff's conduct to the Sheriff's Department in his area. If the only way to get documents to the judge is thru the Baliff and the judge does not view the documents in court, then that is a problem. Perhaps this action will help someone else and allow them to get a fair hearing on their case. I am originally from Brooklyn, NY and would go out without a fight!
I told Safeharbor of the entire situation including the threat by telephone which was recorded on our machine. They kindly refunded me the end value fees but they did not suspend this user. I thought that threatening another member was a no-no, and action subject to suspension. Thought I read that somewhere.
I am very busy expanding my business and working all the time! I do my best to try not to think of this situation because it really serves no purpose. Thank you all for your support. It was very helpful during a trying time!!!
posted on June 2, 2002 09:33:20 AM new
Thank you, Mr. Spock. One thing that I am doing differently is having the Ebay winner pay the shipping company directly from now on. That way the contract for delivery is between the Ebayer and the shipping company. I am merely getting quotes for shipping and the Ebay winner usually picks the least expensive one. I guess it is acting like a travel agent of sorts. Never heard of a travel agent being sued because someone didn't like their flight attendant...
I also ask if the Ebay winner wants my assistance in obtaining quotes and go from there.
It all boils down to the fact that the husband did not want the wife to make this Armoire purchase or the French Sideboard (which they flaked out on) from the other seller. Because of this fact, he picked on the race of the drivers and did everything he could to get out of the deal. The husband married way above him in class and is walking a tightrope trying to provide her with the things she is has had all her life. That is what the other seller told me and what I observed when I met them. That is his cross to bear.
Insurance is in place right now, just in case. I recommend it for every seller. I guess you could say that I am the sadder but wiser girl. The name of the game is to limit your liability.
[ edited by daleeric on Jun 2, 2002 09:38 AM ]
posted on June 2, 2002 10:09:40 AM new
daleeric,
I don't have any words of wisdom to share, I wish I did! I just feel so bad this happened to you. There are just some people in this world who try to make at least one person's life miserable every day. You took all of the logical steps and proceeded to resolve this legally and calmly. Unfortunately, your buyer was willing to go to any length necessary to win. After all, you were the only one with anything to lose. Every step of the event cost you money, not him.
As far as the problems he and his wife have, that may be punishment enough for them. Living behind gates and being afraid to accept callers or mail? What kind of life is that? His own personal prison. You are a free person!!
My best wishes for your insurance situtation. I also hope your future dealings are so profitable that all of this will seem small later.
posted on June 6, 2002 07:09:23 AM new
I do believe in Karmic Justice, or at least the law of averages... A person can't go on like this indefinately, they will eventually anger the wrong person with bad results. I am not that person, but I believe that they will be in this guys future someday.
Insurance is in place, but now that I have it, I sure that it won't be used! Thanks everyone for all your support. Friends didn't really understand, but fellow Ebay sellers did. This really allowed me a place to express my feelings. I think this was the longest thread in time and content perhaps. I wish everyone their best selling year ever. Live long and prosper : )
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