posted on July 1, 2002 05:26:14 PM
quickdraw29- you should take this to the Roundtable as you are making it a political discussion, not specifically an Ebay topic.
posted on July 1, 2002 06:39:06 PM quickdraw29 wrote,
Millions of White Americans who are more qualified for a position do not get hired because of this blatant discrimination. There are equal opportunity laws that are blatantly broken and not enforced, often because any company that does business with the government is forced to hire x amount of minorities or lose the governments business. Ship Fedex!
Those darn lazy minorities, lets put ln some hard working trailer-parking White Americans in there!
posted on July 1, 2002 07:24:39 PM
Political or not, ebay sellers have a right to make an intelligent choice who they ship their ebay products with. This topic belongs here.
Fedex does business with the government, but that's not the issue. I think it is fair for companies to maintain a certain balance of minorities in relation to the population when practical. USPS and UPS are extremely high in minority employee population. In the top 10 of American companies as a matter of fact. Fedex is not.
"Those darn lazy minorities, lets put ln some hard working trailer-parking White Americans in there."
I won't even address this biased, stereotypic comment.
posted on July 1, 2002 07:45:40 PM
quickdraw29- It may be an auction/shipping issue but it is not exclusive to Ebay which is what this board is for. You could really have a more interesting discussion about this on the RT. Go for it!
posted on July 1, 2002 07:53:34 PM
In the NBC test 30 out of 30 Priority letters got there in 2-3 days. 14 letters got there in 2-3 days and 3 got there faster. So more than 1/2 got there as fast or sooner at 1/10 the price.
posted on July 1, 2002 07:55:35 PM
QD - First, it was you who brought up the implicit correlation between government contract work and percentage of minorities hired - once I pointed out that Fedex is a huge gov't contractor, it's "not the issue."
Secondly, I'd like to see the source for your statistics putting UPS and USPS in the top ten of minority employees. Surely there must be a webpage out there with the source of these numbers.
posted on July 1, 2002 07:57:34 PM
As long as sellers ship products, this is an exculusive topic for the ebay forum. Now leave if you can't live with it.
posted on July 1, 2002 08:11:14 PM
I pointed out Unequal Employment and discrimination only, and how USPS and UPS go to an extreme violation of this law. Fedex contracts out Priority Mail but Fedex uses their own workers, not USPS workers.
Look no further than the latest "Fortune" magazine, page 112.
U.S. Postal Service: Officials and Managers 31% Minority. Workforce 36.2% minority. "The U.S.Postal Service employes more minorities than any other company on our list-278,000. That's unlikely to change. Most of 180,000 hired last year are people of color."
UNITED PARCEL SERVICE: Officials and managers 27.9% Minority. Workforce 35.1% Minority. "More than half of all new employees are minorities, and the shipping company could soon have a black man at the top.."
posted on July 1, 2002 08:27:20 PM
I found the information on Fortune's website, thanks for pointing it out. In the future, it might help your argument if you state a credible source right away. Now I can make an "informed" decision, though this particular information will have no bearing on which carrier I choose to use.
So your theory is that every minority that's hired is assumed to be unqualified and therefore taking jobs away from all these qualified white people? I find this infinitely fascinating because in 34 years of looking I've yet to see the evidence of white superiority/supremacy in any arena.
I for one would love to hear more of your rantings. Can I assume that "quickdraw29" is your nom de nut on the Church of the Creator website as well?
posted on July 2, 2002 01:32:36 AM
How did you come up with the idea that I said every minority is unqualified? You're making things up!
The Postal Service gives minorities an extra six points on the Postal exam. A minority who score a 90, beats out every white who scores between 91 and 95. Now tell me that is not discrimination. Tell me they are hiring the most qualified person.
I knew a Sheriff who was first on the list to be hired as State Trooper. He had 15 years experience. A black rookie got the position.
posted on July 2, 2002 07:38:44 AM
Assuming that your anecdote is factual, I'd have to say that if this guy was a friend of yours that any black motorists he may have encountered as a state trooper really caught a break on that one. Whew! Not to fear though there's always a spot open for him (and you) on your local militia.
It never ceases to amaze me how a minority of people can be responsible for the unemployment of a vastly greater majority of people and still live up to their reputation as a lazy drain on society. The math behind those statistics must be fiendishly complicated. But hey at least it gives every angry white male an excuse for their own shortcomings in life.
posted on July 2, 2002 09:20:05 AM
I didn't say minorities were a lazy drain on society, and I know many minorities who work hard, and many work two jobs. I have nothing against minorities. If I did my girlfriend who is a minority would "kill" me.
Statistically it would be impossible to employ 36% minorities unless they got a lot of bad apples. Think about it, if 100 workers applied, 70 white, and 30 minority, and 20 positions were open.
Law of averages say half will meet the qualifications, half won't. 35 whites get automatically disqualified, and 15 minorities.
Po results would indicate 13 whites and 7 minorities would get hired. Sounds fair right?
The top 10% of whites equals 7; top ten of minorities equals 3. So far so good.
These are those who get hired no matter what.
10 positions are left. Next 10%. 7 whites, 3 minorities. Woaaa! How can that be? An extra minority was hired over a white. Perhaps it would mean nothing in a small sampling, right? Right, but when we look at the PO hiring 180,000, that's 9,000 additional minorities above the statistical norm.
Don't feed me that "Angry white male" crap. If there wasn't angry minority male b.s in the first place, there wouldn't be this reverse discriminaton taking place.
Also, in my example, I made it a high amount of minorities applying for the job in relation to the general poplulaton. What happens when we lower it to reflect reality of minority popultaion? A whopping 27,000 additional minorities get hired over beyond what is statistically probable.
Wow! You better beleive there should be a lot of angry white males that should be writing their Congressman right now. DISCRIMINATION is enough to cause anger especially when it is the government doing it and allowing it to happen so blatantly. 27,000 White Males and Females being discriminated at the Post Office. 27,000 White Males and Females having to search for another job while 27,000 minorities get hired at a position that they were less qualified for!
the post office i used to use i have NEVER seen a CAUCASIAN working there
EVER.
Mrfoxy76, did you check behind the USPS service counter for any Caucasians?
From the survey results of quickdraw, it can now be concluded without a doubt that the white american postal workers are mythical creatures, just like the baby pigeons!
posted on July 2, 2002 09:36:45 AM
slabholder, stop drinking in the morning, it's preventing you from checking facts. The results show 36% minorities, so the white postal worker is far from "mythical."
Some areas will have a higher concentration of minorities due to a higher concentration of minorities in that neighborhood. But, it will also have a higher concentration than statistically probable, too.
posted on July 2, 2002 09:50:55 AM
When you ship your ebay items via Postal Service or UPS, you support Discrimination.
If my results aren't shocking enough, read the governments own statistics below:
"The United States Office of Personnel Management (OPM) is the federal government's personnel department. In April 2000 OPM released their annual report to Congress "Federal Equal Opportunity Recruitment Program" which reports federal minority hiring statistics for the period October 1, 1997 to September 30, 1998.
The report allegedly illustrates the government's commitment to hiring historically disadvantaged minorities.
In reality, the report admits that the government has hired a far higher percentage of minorities relative to their actual numbers in the civilian work force!
A few selected highlights of the OPM report convey the extent to which whites and especially white males have been barred from equal treatment by Uncle Sam:
Detailed Statistics by Race and Agency:
1. Blacks
2. Asian-Pacific Islanders
3. Native Americans
4. Women
5. Hispanics
6. See also Federal Contracts and Quotas
OPM boasts "Black representation in the Federal workforce continues to exceed Black representation in the civilian labor force, especially for black women."
OPM reports that blacks comprise 11% of the Relevant Civilian Workforce vs. 17.1% of the Federal Workforce.
At the EEOC, blacks represent 62% of the EEOC workforce vs. 6.4% in the civilian workforce (adjusted for job classification and qualifications).
At the General Services Administration, blacks account for 28.2% of the agency workforce vs. 7.2% in the civilian workforce (adjusted).
Not surprisingly, OPM itself -- which prepared this report -- has a workforce comprised of 26.7% blacks vs. the level in the civilian workforce of 7.5% (adjusted).
Federal downsizing has resulted in a disproportionate reduction in employment of white males: The OPM report prominently boasts that the proportion of federal minority employees actually increased during recent downsizing actions vs. the proportion of white males which actually decreased. This has long been a point of contention among employees of such agencies such as GAO which has aggressively pursued a course of "forced retirement" among older white male employees resulting in an extraordinarily high percentage of remaining younger minority and female employees."
posted on July 2, 2002 10:13:51 AMquickdraw wrote,
The Postal Service gives minorities an extra six points on the Postal exam. A minority who score a 90, beats out every white who scores between 91 and 95. Now tell me that is not discrimination.
Tell me they are hiring the most qualified person. I knew a Sheriff who was first on the list to be hired as State Trooper. He had 15 years experience. A black rookie got the position.
Foul!
Discrimination against minorities has always been stigmatizing. Treating minorities worse than whites was justified by ideological, scientific and religious claims that they were less intelligent, less skilled, more dangerous and generally less worthy than whites.
Quickdraw, most whites will never lose an opportunity to achieve their goals because minorities have been given a slight boost by affirmative action, and affirmative action gives minorities no opportunities that many whites do not equally enjoy.
Note: You also stated on a previous post that America sucks. Actually your entire attitude stinks really bad!
Perhaps you should pack your bags, and move on to another country, LIKE GERMANY!
posted on July 2, 2002 10:26:19 AM
A note on Priority Mail - it's a ripoff from the getgo. I've been watching it since its inception - NO faster than First Class.
posted on July 2, 2002 10:28:00 AM
"most whites will never lose an opportunity to achieve their goals because minorities have been given a slight boost by affirmative action, and affirmative action gives minorities no opportunities that many whites do not equally enjoy.[/b]
Note: You also stated on a previous post that America sucks. Actually your entire attitude stinks really bad!
Perhaps you should pack your bags, and move on to another country, LIKE GERMANY!"
Of course nothing you say ever makes sense. If my goal is to get hired by the PO and work my way to the top, I first have to fight the reverse discrimination to get hired, and try to maintain a position without getting layed off because they want to promote minorities.
If affirmative action is discriminatory, which it is,, how can you say it gives minorites no extra opportunity. Obviously it does when a more qualified whites should have been hired.
Is your goal to sidetrack me so you can discredit my results, or will you ever say anything that makes any sense?
I don't find fighting reverse discrimination makes my attitude suck. It's very noble to fight for this cause. Blacks have been fighting discrimination for decades, does that mean their attitude sucks? Does that mean they should go live in Germany? May be you should take your status quo biased self and move to Germany.
What makes America great are eople like me who don't tolerate discrimination. What makes America bad are bad attitude status quo biased morons like you who tolerate discrimination and make excuses for it, and criticsize those who are against it.
Your credibility has waned. You make America suck!
posted on July 2, 2002 11:09:26 AM
slabholder, stop drinking in the morning, it's preventing you from checking facts. The results show 36% minorities, so the white postal worker is far from "mythical."
A lot of slave owner's had minority girlfriends too i.e. Thomas Jefferson.
Btw, whose orifice are you pulling your statistics from?
You're pretty funny but this rendition of "blacks are keeping the white man down" is getting boring. The next time you publish an excerpt from your manifesto here why don't you include your name and location so that I can get the reward for tipping off the FBI?
[ edited by jsbrock on Jul 2, 2002 12:47 PM ]
posted on July 2, 2002 02:43:59 PM
"The next time you publish an excerpt from your manifesto here why don't you include your name and location so that I can get the reward for tipping off the FBI."
jsbrock: Hello FBI, I'd like to report Quickdraw29 for posting on an internet site government reports about their discriminatory hiring practices.
FBI: Are you that same loony that contacted us a dozen times with frivilous complaints?
jsbrock: Uh, yes, but...
FBI: If you keep contacting us we're going to have the CIA assasinate you in your sleep. Got it?
posted on July 2, 2002 05:11:30 PM
Anyone who is contemplating shipping with FedEx Ground, go to your nearest FedEx office & get their rate manual Revised Vol. 2. It will tell you everything you will ever want to know about shipping with FedEx. For God's sake don't ship to the Yukon, NW Terr., & Labrador. There is a $65.00 surcharge over the Zone 54 rate. For example 1 lb. would be a total of $77.50!!!!!
Actually I was referring to whatever mischief your particular lunatic fringe group might be up to. Keeping tabs on white supremacy groups does fall to the FBI what with all the bombings, bank robberies, murders, planned insurrections and such. It's good to see however that you can apply that fevered imagination to something other than your persecution complex.
Btw, what minority group was that your girlfriend belongs too? Let me guess she's either Sicilian or imaginary. I lean toward the latter since I can't believe anybody who gets any on a regular basis could be as angry as you clearly are.
posted on July 2, 2002 11:22:13 PM
jscock, not very smart, are you? Try more thinking and less emotion, then maybe someone will care what you have to say.
