canvid13
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posted on August 2, 2002 12:32:50 PM
RB, the only people with the PW to the debate forum during the debate will be the debaters and the moderator.
It is in fact possible to have damn fine debates online.
jamie 
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RB
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posted on August 2, 2002 12:34:03 PM
Woo Hoo! eBay must have read my report as they have just reinstated me. Gotta dig out the old cash and shine it up. Gotta spend ... gotta spend ... gott spend ...
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twinsoft
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posted on August 2, 2002 12:42:07 PM
This is the 100% honest truth.
It may be your perception of the truth, but I doubt it.
This site, Auctionwatch, locked and deleted posts and threads regarding our co-op. ... The OTWA board regularity locks and deletes posts and threads.
You personally were kicked off both boards for repeated spamming, after many, many polite warnings.
I don't gain anything the said site is only a messageboard.
Typical sleight of hand. The "said site" is owned by AuctionPie (you) and is designed to promote AuctionPie. You've got posts all over your "message board" relating to and promoting AuctionPie. Your tactics haven't changed one bit.
I know that many of us have developed a strong distrust of almost anyone that tries to make a change in this industry.
Gee, wonder why that is?
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kiara
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posted on August 2, 2002 12:46:59 PM
stusi posted on August 2, 2002 08:07:45 AM
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I will try to help out.
1. Fraud- it has been rampant, several posses have tried to attack it with some degree of success. But as it is so easy to perpetrate and the numbers of auctions are so great, can or will Ebay do anything besides saying that they are not responsible? How about eliminating certain categories such as autographs, high end paintings etc.?
2. Fees- although it is everyone's right to complain, isn't Ebay simply going to do whatever the market will bear?
3. Safe Harbor response- Does Ebay respond quickly and effectively when problems arise?
4. Categories- Are they accurate, are there enough, too many?
5. Site design- does the site allow fast, accurate navigation?
6. Outages- when the site goes down are the proper adjustments made to extend auctions?
7. Buy-it-now, fixed price etc.- do these features help create more activity?
8. Paypal, half.com- are these Ebay owned companies performing well?
9. others?
stusi raised some excellent points for discussion so I will bring them over to this page. It's a shame that canvid has his own agenda to destroy this thread also just so he can spam his site.
[ edited by kiara on Aug 2, 2002 12:47 PM ]
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twinsoft
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posted on August 2, 2002 12:48:00 PM
RB, that is good news. Congratulations.
Jamie, you have a debate scheduled on your site for later this week. You can impose any restrictions you like. This thread, however, has nothing to do with you. Please stop trying to derail it.
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twinsoft
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posted on August 2, 2002 12:49:36 PM
RB, the only people with the PW to the debate forum during the debate will be the debaters and the moderator.
I repeat, that has nothing to do with this thread. You already have one thread devoted to your upcoming debate. Now beat it.
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canvid13
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posted on August 2, 2002 12:52:29 PM
Lol
If you guys are going to discount and call me a liar everytime I post have fun.
I'll just watch and enjoy!
Jamie
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kiara
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posted on August 2, 2002 01:03:57 PM
I'll just watch and enjoy!
Good idea! Grab a clue. We have been trying to tell you that for a long time now.
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canvid13
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posted on August 2, 2002 01:06:59 PM
Kiara you have got to be Hellcat!
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kiara
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posted on August 2, 2002 01:32:02 PM
Kiara you have got to be Hellcat!
WRONG! But thanks for the laugh.
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stusi
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posted on August 2, 2002 02:24:32 PM
RB- You are correct of course! As a "proper debate can not be done on the internet", let's forget about a debate and just discuss the issues. In fact, as most issues have already been discussed ad nauseum, what is it that just happened to necessitate a debate? Oh, yeah- Jamie wanted to promote his website. I would be glad to play Alex Trebek as I really don't have an axe to grind either way.
Jamie- My posts are perhaps hostile only to you, as although you may have some serious concerns, your spam and high negative feedback count just put a bad taste in everyone's mouth. So why don't you sit back and see if anyone cares to discuss any of the issues I posted or any others in an informal discussion. I have a suspicion that the reason you were subject to so many deletions was your blatant self-promotion.
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canvid13
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posted on August 2, 2002 06:45:05 PM
Stusi puh leeze.
I've seen you post in other threads here on AW. You argue with almost everyone and are the same tune of nasty.
Let's call a spade a spade.
Jamie
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stusi
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posted on August 2, 2002 08:21:08 PM
"I'll just watch and enjoy"---starting now? I have both bought and sold on Ebay and other sites and despite experiencing some minor problems on both ends I have no axe to grind either way. No passwords, no formal debate and no spamming needed here,Jamie. So I guess you are out of your element. But enough about you, as you can't derail this thread. It will either be a discussion of some issues or it won't be-okay either way. Anyone care to further discuss the Paypal and half.com acquisitions?
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kiara
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posted on August 2, 2002 09:53:28 PM
2. Fees- although it is everyone's right to complain, isn't Ebay simply going to do whatever the market will bear?
Yes, ebay will do whatever the market can bear.
4. Categories- Are they accurate, are there enough, too many?
I think there are way too many but I also think ebay likes it so sellers list in more than one category and pay extra fees.
5. Site design- does the site allow fast, accurate navigation?
The biggest problem with the site design is that buyers and sellers still can't find where to get help when they have a problem. Many times the site map just has a user running in circles.
"Search the Help System" is useless for finding information.
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stusi
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posted on August 3, 2002 07:20:33 AM
kiara- you are right about going in circles. Has the new format changed that?
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RB
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posted on August 3, 2002 07:32:06 AM
When I was trying to explain my situation to eBay, this is what I discovered:
1. They will send you an email telling you that you have been suspended for (fill in the blank). The email will include an instruction to contact them to discuss a solution. The email includes a statement that reads like this: "Soon you will no longer be able to contact eBay by email" and another one that says: "Don't respond to this email address as it doesn't exist".
2. You finally figure out that you have to use one of their "webforms" to communicate. Of course, if you are NARU, you cannot log on to use the form.
3. Once you figure out how to use a non-member type webform, you go through the first 3 steps where you select a line in each step that best describes your problem. You hit "submit" and it provides a list of links. You click on the link that best describes your problem and it takes you to .... the same webform. After going around this loop a few times, you discover their "Live Chat". Finally, you think, someone is going to acknowledge me!
4. You log on to Live Chat, get a rep after waiting for about 10 minutes, then describe your problem. The answer you get? "Sorry, I can't help you. Please go the following link for assistance ..." Guess there the link takes you? Yep, right back to that a$$h0le webform !
The eBay "help" system is designed to frustrate users to the point where they simply give up and go away.
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stusi
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posted on August 3, 2002 08:06:18 AM
RB- that is extremely frustrasting. I have had similar problems on numerous other sites. Did you finally get it resolved? Did you tell them about the runaround problem? What response did you get? Did you try to call them on the phone? Has anyone had success calling Ebay on the phone as opposed to e-mailing or using their site?
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RB
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posted on August 3, 2002 11:16:13 AM
I tried to tell them about their do loops, but it has to done on a webform, and well, you know ....
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kiara
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posted on August 3, 2002 07:31:29 PM
stusi I haven't had many problems on ebay but I notice this when someone comes here to AW with a problem and I try to direct them from the site map. Many times when I follow through from the original link it does take me in circles. I can find my way out of the maze but I often wonder if others just give up.
Other than that, I have only had to contact safe harbor a few times and have always received fast service.
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canvid13
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posted on August 3, 2002 07:40:29 PM
QUESTION FOR KIARA and STUSI
Have either of you before or currently have any sort of affiliation with Ebay or any other online Auction/Fixed Price industry company other than being a seller or bidder?
Curious minds wish to know.
Thanks,
Jamie
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kiara
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posted on August 3, 2002 07:50:51 PM
Have I before or do I currently have any sort of affiliation with Ebay or any other online Auction/Fixed Price industry company other than being a seller or bidder?
No.
Were you asking me to see if I have a special way of getting your message directly to Meg? 
edited for grammar.....
[ edited by kiara on Aug 3, 2002 08:01 PM ]
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stusi
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posted on August 3, 2002 09:31:27 PM
No. You of all people should have the balls to ask that question?
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canvid13
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posted on August 4, 2002 04:34:19 AM
K Stusi, I'm in a good mood today.
Why should I of all people have the balls to ask that question??
Jamie
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stusi
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posted on August 4, 2002 08:03:10 AM
Could it be because you are a shameless spammer? You know there is not even a hint of ulterior motive here but you find it necessary to try to derail the thread.
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RB
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posted on August 4, 2002 08:37:03 AM
stusi ...
How do you define SPAM as used in the title of this thread that you started?
How do you define SPAM as used in your accusations directed towards Jamie?
Thanks ...
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kiara
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posted on August 4, 2002 08:58:20 AM
Jamie seems to think this. He isn't even discussing the issues here. It is always all about him and his agenda.
[ edited by kiara on Aug 4, 2002 09:14 AM ]
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canvid13
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posted on August 4, 2002 09:00:11 AM
Stusi, as opposed to you, I am asking polite questions.
If I were to be act like you perhaps I would ask about you "derailing" the thread I started which was very clear and posted on many sites. It is the furthest thing from Spam.
It is a fair and valid challenge that Ebay seriously responded to.
Jamie.
PS! I'm curious to see your answer to RB's question.
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kiara
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posted on August 4, 2002 09:06:25 AM
canvid13 I am curious why you asked if I had an affiliation with ebay.
Also why did you think I was Hellcat? I don't even know Hellcat.
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RB
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posted on August 4, 2002 09:14:02 AM
In 1942, Grumman Aircraft Engineering Corporation began mass production of the F6F "Hellcat" fighter as a replacement for the F4F/FM-2 "Wildcat" which had been carrying the burden of fighter operations in the Pacific. The results obtained from testing a captured Japanese "Zero" restored to flyable condition were utilized in refining design features of the production F6F to enable it to engage the "Zero" on equal terms and thus dictate the rules of combat. At one time during the war, Grumman was delivering a "Hellcat" at the rate of one per hour around the clock for a grand total of 12,275 deliveries from 1942 to 1945.
While the F6Fs capability for carrying bombs and rockets was widely utilized in air support of friendly ground forces as well as the destruction of enemy airfield installations and shipping, it is best known for its role as a fighter. All in all, the "Hellcat" was credited with destroying 5,156 enemy aircraft in air-to-air combat (75% of all Navy aerial kills) with a kill ratio of 19:1. Combat stories of F6F encounters with enemy aircraft during World War II are legendary.
Hope this helps ... wish I had a Hellcat
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stusi
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posted on August 4, 2002 09:20:56 AM
RB- Using the term loosely to mean posting something that is unwanted or a violation, as in links to one's own auction sites. Not in the e-mail sense. Blatant, shameless self-promotion which apparently got him kicked off other boards. Is that clear enough?
Jamie- I am curious to see the exact, "serious" response from Ebay. And I am still certain as to you thinking that their business model is an issue or that they would seriously debate it with you. As has been stated here by many, you just thought it to be a clever title for a topic. As I am getting to know your modus operandi, I would not be surprised if somewhere down the road you would not make the comment that this thread got caught up in personalities etc. and therefore only an official debate with a judge and jury on one of your sites can be valid. You said you would just observe, remember?
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