slabholder
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posted on October 3, 2002 09:00:58 PM new
http://www.ebay.com/paypal
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Coonr
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posted on October 3, 2002 09:08:52 PM new
I hope all the changes to come, are for the better.
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twelvepole
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posted on October 3, 2002 09:44:10 PM new
eBay Payments by Billpoint will be available until after the first of the year. At that time we will work closely with Billpoint users to ensure a smooth transition during the phase-out process
Well I guess no more accpeting credit cards for me... 
That's ok, was thinking of going Money order only anyway, just helps me make up my mind.
Ain't Life Grand... 
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sparkz
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posted on October 3, 2002 10:48:22 PM new
Twelvepole
I feel the same way. It looks like when Paypal is fully integrated into the system, the potential exists for a seller who has his Paypal account restricted will also have his Ebay account suspended until the dispute is resolved. That's just a little too much leverage to give to a scam artist bidder to suit me.
The light at the end of the tunnel will turn out to be an oncoming train.
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eagleedc
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posted on October 4, 2002 06:10:23 AM new
well... maybe... just maybe... C2It will get thier crap together by then... ok maybe not, but we can hope.
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RB
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posted on October 4, 2002 06:15:13 AM new
It's a gathering of the scoundrels
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Coonr
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posted on October 4, 2002 06:25:37 AM new
...a seller who has his Paypal account restricted will also have his Ebay account suspended...
And that would be bad because?
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twelvepole
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posted on October 4, 2002 06:39:05 AM new
Here is an example coonr...
You auction many items, your bidders pay via cc to paypal and then a few of them realize it is not of a quality they really want.
No fault of yours, you had a great pic and outstanding description. You tell the bidders no refund for this reason. However the bidders are savvy cc users and know that they just march down to the old cc company and file a charge back against paypal ( they didn't use MBG and that is a different scenario) So WHAM! you get 3 chargebacks on you at once... paypal restricts your account and now because of this eBay suspends you and closes all your current auctions until the matter is settled.
Even though no fault of yours... you are now SOL from selling anything on eBay.
With Money Back Guarantee so new, I would imagine any seller that starts to accumulate quite a few of these in a year will be punished somehow. I can't see Paypal eating every item that gets returned.
But if you don't offer MBG, then chargeback is the option.
But then a seller could say... bank transfers only, well that would be cutting down potential bidders then now wouldn't it.
edited for spelling
Ain't Life Grand...
[ edited by twelvepole on Oct 4, 2002 09:33 AM ]
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thchaser200
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posted on October 4, 2002 06:46:01 AM new
twelvepole
If that is your fear, then the solution is simple, do not accept PayPal. Ebay does not force you into accepting Billpoint, and I doubt that they will force you into accepting PayPal as well.
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RB
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posted on October 4, 2002 08:40:34 AM new
you are now SOL from selling anything on eBay
And that would be bad because?
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twelvepole
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posted on October 4, 2002 09:26:29 AM new
thchaser200, I don't accept paypal now or plan to in the future.
They screwed me once, will not give them the chance to do so again. 
When Billpoint goes away, I quit taking credit cards. Unless I can find some other legitimate site to deal with.
Ain't Life Grand...
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lindajean
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posted on October 4, 2002 09:46:16 AM new
twelvepole:
What makes you think they will handle disputes with Paypal any differently than they do with Billpoint?
Ebay bought Paypal, not the other way around, so I see no difference in either of the two payment methods now.
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slabholder
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posted on October 4, 2002 10:06:11 AM new
A little scenario,
What happens if your paypal account is restricted. Will this have any bearing with your account with ebay?
Do you think ebay will start charging some sort of a fee to use the checkout feature?
I personally have never had any problems with paypal to date. Can't wait for ebay to implement paypal's logo into the checkout.
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Coonr
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posted on October 4, 2002 10:20:01 AM new
twelvepole,
If you take care of your customers, you will not have chargebacks.
I have been on eBay for nearly 6 years, PayPal over 2, and NEVER had a quality dispute.
If your not gonna 'take care' of the customer, eBay and PayPal are better off without you.
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sanmar
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posted on October 4, 2002 11:37:33 AM new
Where is it written that eBay will suspend your auctions because you have a dispute with PayPal? At the time of the announcement of the merger, eBay stated that PayPal would be run as a separate division. Unless someone can show me written proof that eBay will suspend you, I don't see this happening. Also what is wrong with using BidPay?
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computerboy
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posted on October 4, 2002 11:39:57 AM new
According to preliminary filings, Paypal will continue to operate as a separate company, so things should not be changing too much(at least in the short term).
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nightman444
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posted on October 4, 2002 11:42:51 AM new
 You can always use eCount check it out at www.ecount.com
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ok4leather
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posted on October 5, 2002 07:35:56 AM new
Id expect another stealth attempt to force mandatory checkout up our rears. Dont let the seperate company story fool you.
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twelvepole
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posted on October 5, 2002 07:46:13 AM new
I have yet to ever have to do a refund on any of my auctions either coonr.
However with the new Money Back Guarantee offered by paypal, I wonder how many bidders will return items with buyers remorse?
...and how many sellers will be hurt in the long run by not offering MBG. I know as a bidder an auction offering MBG would be more attractive unless the seller offers non-conditional money back guarantees.
With the merger with eBay, I can see where the items will end up after they are returned and decided they can be resold... competition at its finest.
Ain't Life Grand...
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Coonr
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posted on October 5, 2002 07:51:37 AM new
I wonder how many bidders will return items with buyers remorse?
That will be between the bidder and PayPal.
...and how many sellers will be hurt in the long run by not offering MBG.
This will not be know, till they go to make the payment, after the auction is over.
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twelvepole
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posted on October 5, 2002 08:03:10 AM new
That will be between the bidder and PayPal
I don't see that staying that way if they start getting a flood of items back. Right now if a bidder wants to return something the seller is given some sort of notice.
If it was between paypal and the bidder, why send a notice to the seller?
And Paypal does encourage you to contact the seller FIRST in the return process. But I think that many bidders will not do that to avoid the confrontation that could be possible.
This will not be know, till they go to make the payment, after the auction is over
Any smart seller would put that in the description, so I do think that it will be "known".
I know if I was to use paypal for a service, one the things I would bold would be "Use Paypal and enjoy an unconditional Money Back Guarantee"
You think a bidder would bid on this auction or a similar auction stating "Return the item and if found defective, your money minus shipping will be refunded."
Ain't Life Grand...
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sun818
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posted on October 5, 2002 08:47:29 AM new
If it was between paypal and the bidder, why send a notice to the seller?
Why not? I would want to know.
getting a flood of items back.
It would benefit you to read the details about the "Money Back Guarantee Program". If Paypal were to receive a "flood of items back", their terms of service will change or this feature removed. This is a profit avenue for Paypal and they are not going to support a money losing feature.
http://www.paypal.com/cgi-bin/webscr?cmd=p/gen/terms-outside#guarantee ::
[i]Seller requirements. At this time, the Money Back Guarantee program is available only for a selected set of qualified sellers. Among other things, a qualified seller must have a PayPal account in good standing and have been an account-holder for at least 5 months. The seller also must not have opted out of the Money Back Guarantee program. As more sellers become eligible, they will be notified by email.
Buyer requirements. The Guarantee will be applicable to U.S. buyers only. Each account may only file a maximum of 3 Guarantee reimbursement requests in a given twelve-month period. PayPal reserves the right not to offer the Guarantee to specific buyers if any prior reimbursement requests have been denied.[/i]
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twelvepole
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posted on October 5, 2002 10:03:45 AM new
Correct Sun818, that is what I had previously read.
Still leaves questions to answered and I tend to believe that sooner or later the seller will be responsible for returns.
3 returns a year is actually quite a few if you don't do much buying.
And if a reimbursement request is denied the bidder then would have a case for a chargeback.
Paypal did not deliver the service as stated.
Money Back Guarantee
PayPal's Money Back Guarantee ensures that you will be satisfied with your purchase of physical goods (U.S. buyers only). If you are dissatisfied with your purchase, you may file a reimbursement request with PayPal and receive your money back (not including Guarantee fees). Common reasons for reimbursement include:
If you do not receive your purchase
If your purchase is defective or different from its description
If you would like to return your purchase
Ain't Life Grand...
[ edited by twelvepole on Oct 5, 2002 10:07 AM ]
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sun818
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posted on October 5, 2002 10:32:30 AM new
Its wasted effort and energy to think about all these what ifs... I'll cross that bridge, when I come to it..
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twelvepole
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posted on October 5, 2002 02:31:03 PM new
Its wasted effort and energy to think about all these what ifs
For a hobby seller you are quite right.
For a true business seller... you should be wondering "what if" and asking questions.
Businesses need to know about tomorrow as well as today.
Ain't Life Grand...
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themedalsguy
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posted on October 5, 2002 02:37:20 PM new
Money Back Guarantee: less worries about getting crosswise with Ebay or Paypal if you just make your policy Satisfaction Guaranteed. Period.
I get about .1% back unjustly and refund instantly without comment. Then put them on the Fecal Roster. Just a cost of doing business and well worth the good relationship with my buyers.
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Coonr
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posted on October 5, 2002 02:54:49 PM new
I don't see that staying that way if they start getting a flood of items back
However, until it chagnges, it is between the buyer and PayPal. If it changes, I will evaluate whether or not to change my particiption.
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myoldtoy
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posted on October 5, 2002 08:42:09 PM new
i hope this does not come as a rude awakening to some of you sellers...i see where some of you are already threatening to not offer credit cards...well, i have auctions running that are low dollar and i dont honor billpoint or c/cards on them..i specifically remove logos and state so...guess what? i had two auctions close today within this category and both biddrs used paypal to pay me...thru ebay...i have never allowed[utilized] paypal...always tried to keep it simple with just one - billpoint...the thread? well, we may not have any choice...as in my case, i have email confirmation from ebay; and email confirmation from paypal that the sales are okay and money in an account, which i can have transferred to my checking account...
signed...rudely awakened!
smhoward
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slabholder
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posted on October 5, 2002 09:20:28 PM new
OH NO! THE SKY IS FALLING CRIED CHICKEN LITTLE!
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slabholder
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posted on October 5, 2002 09:30:13 PM new
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