posted on December 12, 2002 02:32:12 PM new
the toys from Toys for Tots does not go only to children in poor homes...they also go to children in foster care...those children have been taken out of their home and away from their family through no fault of their own...is there something wrong with trying to bring a smile to their faces?
and what about the children that have to spend the holidays in a hospital?..shouldn't something be done to try to brighten their day, if only for a moment?
there is enough sadness and grief in this world for everyone...let's try to put off that part of life as long as we can for any and all children.
posted on December 12, 2002 03:13:19 PM newPoor people should learn that if they can't afford a few dollars worth of toys they shouldn't even be having children.
Based on this (repeated) statement, one can infer that the held belief is that only the children of the wealthy should receive gifts.
Not every child who benefits from Toys for Tots was born into an impoverished family. It is completely beyond the control of any parent when a job loss, loss of a spouse, or any other type of disaster occurs.
Your original post was based on a generalized preconceived notion and was countered via posted examples, which you have blindly ignored. Your backpedaling to the tune of the "True Meaning of Christmas" is laughable.
posted on December 12, 2002 03:15:08 PM new
"no, it is your statements here that I find amazing."
That's what I say when I read other genius' statements like Einstein.
"Children are the future."
Stupid cliche. Adults are the present, and you're teaching our "children of the future" to be sheep.
"thats not the fault of children that have never had anything."
Here we go with the materialism thing. Your values need rearranging.
"What is wrong with donating a toy or maybe a dollar."
What is wrong with supporting anything with wrong values? Everything. It creates a society with the wrong goals; it creates dependance; it wastes money.
"What do you do for Christmas?"
We celebrate love and joy throughout the year, not on a designated day like you sheep. My child is smart, when she was one year old she said, "there is no Santa." When she was five she said, "that's not from Santa, that's your handwriting dada, you just went to Toys R Us when I was sleeping and wrapped it up and put Santa's name." When I asked don't you want toys, she said "I don't like toys." She finds toys demoralizing.
posted on December 12, 2002 03:22:21 PM new"My child is smart, when she was one year old she said, "there is no Santa." When she was five she said, "that's not from Santa, that's your handwriting dada, you just went to Toys R Us when I was sleeping and wrapped it up and put Santa's name." When I asked don't you want toys, she said "I don't like toys." She finds toys demoralizing."
After reading all your other comments here, it doesn't surprise me at all that you are proud of how you have raised your daughter.
IMHO, people who deny their children of the magic of believing in miracles and other childhood wonders - forcing them to grow up too fast - shouldn't have children. Obviously it's just too much work to let them be children...
"Be kind. Remember everyone you meet is fighting a hard battle." - Harry Thompson
posted on December 12, 2002 03:29:29 PM new
"I do feel your love QD."
Materialism isn't about love. Do you have to buy your children love?
"How rich does a person need to be to have a child?"
Enough money to buy your child the basics. If they want to live in the wild, make no money and live off plants and animals, that's fine too. If they want to live in society they have to accept the responsibility on theior own for proviving.
"the more I read your posts the more I am convinced that you need a new toilet seat.
obviously the one you use now is covered with sandpaper and then you come here and vent about your pain..."
Yawn, criticsize your opponant because you lack anything intelligent to say. You cannot judge me. What you are mistaken about is, the pain comes from living in a society with corrupted values, and watching idiots like you screw up the world. I agree, that is painful, just like it is painful hearing about someone committing suicide because their parents abused them.
posted on December 12, 2002 03:39:08 PM new
"are we being a naughty, evil person?"
Saving the world from twisted values and corruption is one of the kindest acts I can think of. Are you trying to put pressure on your sheep herd so they don't tray because thye don't want to be called "evil"? It was a nice attempt, but it only works on morons.
"Still bitter about that Stretch Armstrong you didn't get for Christmas years ago?"
I received awesome gifts at Christmas beyond what I ever could ever ask for. It shows how moronic your statement is. Are you trying to draw a correlation between an intelligent thought and bitterness. Do you have a degree in psychology to point to me how you can intelligently draw that conclusion?
"what is 'right' to donate?"
Reread what I said, I didn't say there is a right thing to donate. I said, "let's do what is right for once." That meant, not support corrupted values and twisted logic.
posted on December 12, 2002 03:54:06 PM new
"people who deny their children of the magic of believing in miracles and other childhood wonders - forcing them to grow up too fast - shouldn't have children."
Believing in a fake person is not a miracle. Anyone who has to teach their children lies and corrupted values perhaps should not be having children. I jokingly try to convince my daughter there is a Santa and she counters everything. When I go to the mall, I ask her if she wants to see Santa, and she says "oh he's just a man dressed in a costume." yes I am very proud of her because we never taught her one way or the other, she is a brilliant self thinker. She is the future, has been planning to go to Yale since teh second grade. We say, why don't you go to the Communty College, it's cheaper, she says "no I want to go to Yale."
That's wehat we need thinkers, not these drones who are sheep. Look at what that has produced, a bunch of sheep like you all. That's scary.
posted on December 12, 2002 03:59:54 PM new
This isn't Christmas related, but it does speak volumes of the wonders of childhood...
Mud Puddles and Dandelions
When I look at a patch of dandelions,
I see a bunch of weeds that are going to take over my yard.
My kids see flowers for Mom
and blowing white fluff you can wish on.
When I look at an old drunk and he smiles at me,
I see a smelly, dirty person who probably wants money and I look away.
My kids see someone smiling at them and they smile back.
When I hear music I love,
I know I can't carry a tune and don't have much rhythm
so I sit self-consciously and listen.
My kids feel the beat and move to it. They sing out the words.
If they don't know them, they make up their own.
When I feel wind on my face, I brace myself against it.
I feel it messing up my hair and pulling me back when I walk.
My kids close their eyes, spread their arms and fly with it,
until they fall to the ground laughing.
When I pray, I say Thee and Thou and grant me this, give me that.
My kids say, "Hi God! Thanks for my toys and my friends.
Please keep the bad dreams away tonight.
Sorry, I don't want to go to Heaven yet.
I would miss my Mommy and Daddy."
When I see a mud puddle I step around it.
I see muddy shoes and dirty carpets.
My kids sit in it. They see dams to build,
rivers to cross and worms to play with.
I wonder if we are given children to teach or to learn from?
No wonder God loves the little children!!
Enjoy the little things in life,
for one day you may look back and realize they were the big things.
Just a reminder about the important things in life.
I wish you mud puddles and dandelions! - anonymous
"Be kind. Remember everyone you meet is fighting a hard battle." - Harry Thompson
[ edited by wgm on Dec 12, 2002 04:00 PM ]
posted on December 12, 2002 04:18:42 PM new
LOL. I told my daughter, "you're smarter than these adults," and she said, "those adults are stupid and they believe in stupid things." I said, they think it's bad that you don't believe in Santa, and she says, "I can prove it that Santa is a fake."
posted on December 12, 2002 04:21:51 PM new
Please don't call me Quickie, that is a childish name.
It's classic, upon more thought, "children are our future..." so let's turn them into sheep like the parents."
"Quickdraw is in pain because he sits on sandpaper on the toilet seat...."
Yea, rarriffle is the sandpaper, and the toilet seat is society. Classic analogy.
posted on December 12, 2002 04:26:18 PM new
quickdraw:
I feel for your obviously gifted child.
is there no God for your daughter as well as no Santa?
Is there anything intangible that you allow her to believe in?
any faith permitted?
afterall, religion is for sheep, too, no?
for those who need to believe in a greater being, that someone or something else is in control of their destiny?
what happened??
Toys were okay when she was five but not now?
posted on December 12, 2002 04:41:27 PM new
This isn't a discussion about me and my family. But, is religion for sheep? Yes, religion is created by Church's to civilize society. Church leaders created God so people have someone or something tangible to believe in, so to speak, otherwise they would have a hard time staying to their morals.
It's mainly a fairytale, mixed in with truth and science. There is obviously an energy in another dimension, but it operates on what is good for survival, not on preaching morals; not on doing something for fear being sent to Hell. Pure B.S. What else do you want to learn? In school someone asked, "why do they teach creation in religion class, and we come here and be taught evolution?" Teacher said so we know both sides and can decide for ourselves.
posted on December 12, 2002 04:52:44 PM new
quickdraw, I have never found it necessary to ignore a person on this board until now. I feel only disgust and sadness at your remarks. The sadness comes from the pity I have for your child...being reared with you is something no child should have to endure and I can only hope someone rips her from you before it is too late do reverse the damage you have done with your bitter, biased mind.
posted on December 12, 2002 05:02:22 PM new
Everyone went for it again didn't they? Everytime someone posts a topic about giving to someone or a sick or injured child or a myriad of other subjects about giving of ourselves, quickdraw responds with venom and cold heartedness. Needless to say that brings about a ton of responses about how stupid-ignorant-self centered-cruel and heartless this person is.
Thnik about this for a minute...Isn't that exactly why quickdraw responds the way he does?
posted on December 12, 2002 07:08:51 PM new
I can't belive that everyone doesn't have him on ignore already. I have no idea what he is saying because I do have him on ignore but i am sure its his usual "lets see who I can tick off BS" Thats really all he ever posted was either something self promoting or Knocking others around and I am sure that leopard hasn't changed his spots. heck I am sure this will intice some "witty" reaction from him that I wont ever read as well ! Hope you guys enjoy it
posted on December 12, 2002 08:27:15 PM new
Quickdraw - Webster's Seventh New Collegiate Dictionary
Santa Claus-4th century bishop of Myra Asia Minor and patron saint of Children The religious and holiday spirit of Christmas personified Also know as Saint Nicholas.
Who taught her toys were demoralizing. Wow, what big words she uses for a five your old dada. It is hard to believe that a five your old knows that word and please don't tell me you taught her that. That would be demoralizing to us. We are not stupid and most of us can see through this facode that you have.
At 5 years old she said she wanted to go to Yale. I hope you can afford that, maybe that is why your selling on eBay. She might want to go to Yale but will they accept her? That isn't her decision.
Yale has no better education than any other university and if they did there would be no other Universities. Come on now lots of bull being thrown around here.
posted on December 29, 2002 04:41:20 PM new
Oh my. I just read through this thread that I found accidentally and it makes me want to choke quickdraw.
First of all, I have a daugher whom appears to be the same age as his and I think that 99% of what he's saying his daughter says and believes is bullcrap. Little kids don't talk that way or think that way. Yale? I just asked my daughter what Yale was and she looked at me like I was speaking Japanese. I asked her where she wanted to go to college and she said do I have to tell you now? Good grief. Let a kid be a kid. I'm AFRAID this will be my kids last year to believe in Santa. He is a big part of the magic of Christmas for a child.
As for Toys For Tots, bah to you Quickdraw. I live month to month, paycheck to paycheck not knowing if I will get a child support check or not. Anticipating that I would not get one this month (and I have not) I put a few things up on eBay to buy a few things for my daughter for Christmas. I definitely don't feel like I gave her enough and she did not get one single thing that she asked for in her letter to Santa but I did what I could. If I didn't have the recourse of eBay would I have thought about Toys For Tots? I don't know. But if things get much worse for us at this point in time I might have had to.
posted on December 29, 2002 10:20:05 PM new
BRAVO Capolady!! And I think skylarraye is right.... Quickie is still seeeeeethingly pissed about the Stretch Armstrong that Santa never brought him!! Such deep rooted hostility.... which COUNTLESS studies have shown is directly related to Freuds "Stretch Armstrong envy" theory.
