shevamp
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posted on April 20, 2003 11:20:05 PM new
[ edited by shevamp on Apr 21, 2003 12:17 PM ]
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shop4shoes
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posted on April 21, 2003 05:27:08 AM new
First of all, let me start off by saying that is not my intention to start problem
Well you did.
1) I do not own websites by the name of shop4shoes.com or n2shoes.com or etc.
2)I do not sell on Yahoo, I have mentioned that here numerous times.
3) ALL of my sites accept credit cards, not paypal. I have my own merchant account and that is what I use. I even stopped accepting paypal on ebay.
I really don’t feel like digging anymore and causing problems, however you refuse to answer any of the e-mail inquiries I sent you
Well you had better start digging until you find the correct seller.
What do you think? I would really rather not waste my time on pursuing this furthe
What do I think? I think you are a stupid %@@** that should get her facts straight before posting.
I went to both sites that you listed and one of them is blank the other has exactly ZERO styles of shoes that I sell.
You should have been sure before you posted your lies on the internet. Most people that post here do not have their ebay names or their internet sites in their user id's.
From your investigative skills, I guess we can all assume you are or were an employee of ebay.
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soshoeme
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posted on April 21, 2003 06:09:37 AM new
Unlurk mode engaged...
I have a few observations.
I checked the user ids and websites for what shevamp listed. The site that leads back to ebay is not the id I found for shop4shoes. Anyway that seller has excellent feedback also.
Shop4shoes is a powerseller. The seller that one of the sites leads to is not a powerseller. I also did not see anything to connect the two sites you mention to each other.
Shevamp you said the seller is established. What you are saying does not sound right. Established sellers usually do not cheat anyone deliberately. If this seller is on yahoo they have strict rules and if the seller was cheating customers, they would have been booted off yahoo immediately. Sellers on yahoo are not allowed to accept 3rd party payment services. Paypal is a 3rd party service. If you are having trouble contacting them it could be a mail server problem.
When I tried browsing the site. I got database errors several times.
shop4shoes is one of these domains connected to the suspended ids?
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stopwhining
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posted on April 21, 2003 06:32:22 AM new
i am still trying to understand the basic meaning of this thread
WELL THEY DID IT THIS TIME
posted on April 6, 2003 01:24:39 PM
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I got a suspension notice from ebay. It seems that I am a "previously suspended" user.
I wrote to them, but I really don't care what they say.
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what is it about this time AND is there another time??
what did ebay say and what did it say which you dont really care for??
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grumpyebayer
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posted on April 21, 2003 06:52:16 AM new
From your investigative skills, I guess we can all assume you are or were an employee of ebay.
AHHH! Nothing like a cup of venom from shop4shoes or fluffy to get the morning started.
Inspired by Soshoeme's investigative skills, I decided to take a look for myself.
n2shoes on ebay has no feedback. n2shoes the domain leads to an ebay seller with great feedback. 576 positives and 2 negs. Lots of repeat business. I purchased from her once with no problems and excellent service. Very, Very fast shipping. She is not a powerseller.
shop4shoes on ebay has 4 positives and no negatives. Shop4shoes the domain seems to be experiencing some problems. Like soshoeme, I got many errors when trying to browse the site. Looks like severe database problems, which could affect the mail servers. This site used to offer free email, several years ago, to customers. I am not sure if they still do. I have ordered from them several times and they are really good. I have never had to return anything.
I would order from both of them again in a minute.
shop4: have you heard anything back from ebay yet?
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shop4shoes
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posted on April 21, 2003 07:08:22 AM new
shop4: have you heard anything back from ebay yet?
Not yet. Powersellers had me fax over some verification on Thursday. Because of Easter, I don't expect to hear from them until later today or tommorow.
shop4shoes is one of these domains connected to the suspended ids?
Neither of them are even close.
I have good feeling about today. Inspite of the crap Shevamp posted.
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soshoeme
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posted on April 21, 2003 07:15:19 AM new
Could this just be a competitor trying to harass you? You said you have had problems with a particular seller before.
[ edited by soshoeme on Apr 21, 2003 07:17 AM ]
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biskitsandgravie
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posted on April 21, 2003 07:43:18 AM new
I don't know who shop4shoes is, but I have notified the seller that n2shoes leads to of what is being discussed here. I noticed a few other things that don't add up in shevamp's post. I will wait to bring those up if the seller responds.
I don't think anything else should be said about the seller until then. I too have purchased from the seller and the service is some of the best on ebay.
I once had a nutcase accuse me of being another seller. He harrassed me for days until, I figured out what was going on and pointed him in the right direction.The other seller used my photos and descriptions. It is easy to get mixed up on ebay with so many sellers.
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msincognito
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posted on April 21, 2003 08:32:33 AM new
I think there might be a silver lining here.... I'm coming up with a (semi) plausible scenario that could explain everything. Or, y'know, not.
Could be that there are two wronged sellers (the real shop4shoes and, for lack of a better descriptor, the real n2shoes) and one bad actor (call him Mr. Suspender) playing on the reputations of both.
Mr. Suspender has, in fact, been suspended from eBay for taking folks money and not sending them shoes, maybe under several IDs. So he puts up a web page (maybe using a domain once owned by n2shoes, maybe hijacking it) that uses all her stolen HTML.* Meanwhile, he links back to feedback pages for shop4shoes and/or n2shoes. But the contact info on the website has to go back to him - to an address that eBay has already suspended. eBay traces the feedback links back, sees that they are associated with a banned seller - and voila! Shop4shoes gets her little love letter. Meanwhile, shevamp believes her cause is just because Mr. Suspender, the dude who actually ripped her off, led her to believe he was shop4shoes.
I'm sure there are a dozen other alternate explanations, including the actual right one. If I'm way off base, I can only plead insanity caused by over-viewing of my X-Files DVD collection.
*It's not easy to just cut and paste someone's HTML without knowing what you're doing, which might explain why the site is so buggy. It would also explain why the site might resemble the one grumpyebayer ordered from.
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Libra63
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posted on April 21, 2003 08:38:01 AM new
huh!!!!!!!!!!! I am thoroughly confused. Too early in the morning for this....
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biskitsandgravie
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posted on April 21, 2003 08:51:15 AM new
Msincognito: I am thinking along those lines myself with a slightly differnt take.
Shevamp comes here and accuses shop4shoes of ripping her off, because shop4 id is close to the domain name and she sells shoes. n2shoes has lisings of ebay items that are similar to the domain name. Shevamp thinks they are all one seller when they are all 3 different sellers. 3 sellers with apparently good reputations.
I am willing to bet the fact that the site used to offer free email has bearing on this somewhere.
Shevamp, I would be patient with the seller. They do not sound like scam artists. I suspect that there are email or server problems or both.
huh!!!!!!!!!!! I am thoroughly confused. Too early in the morning for this....
It is NEVER too early for conspiracy....
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msincognito
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posted on April 21, 2003 09:36:00 AM new
edited for the greater good. 
[ edited by msincognito on Apr 21, 2003 12:02 PM ]
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neonmania
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posted on April 21, 2003 09:49:24 AM new
Ms - if I remember correctly, Shops mentioned that at one time someone had built a foot fetish site based almost entirely around her catalog photos, even using her hosted images I believe. Is this the genre your are referring to?
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msincognito
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posted on April 21, 2003 10:10:18 AM new
On closer examination, that particular link appears to have been supplied by a banner exchange so it may not be relevant at all.
See? I told you I may not know what I'm talking about
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shevamp
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posted on April 21, 2003 10:11:52 AM new
[ edited by shevamp on Apr 21, 2003 12:17 PM ]
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biskitsandgravie
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posted on April 21, 2003 10:14:07 AM new
If you put .com after both names, there's an interesting similarity ... both have white-on-white keyword traps for search engines (not done very well, by the way ... they're more like dirty white on white) and they both use the same words.
That is very common. I have seen probably 40 or so footwear sites with that same code and exact keywords. You can only call shoes so many things. Actually it is well done for the search engines. If they had used white on white the site would have been ranked lower for keyword spamming.
I think there may have been some hacking to one of the sites.
The other site is being updated or something.
I emailed the other store in question. Maybe they sell on ebay also.
edited:
I don't spend my time looking at sites. I used to edit for a directory and I remembered that bit of code from many of them. None of them had the same owners.
[ edited by biskitsandgravie on Apr 21, 2003 10:18 AM ]
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sun818
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posted on April 21, 2003 10:23:31 AM new
Here's the owner of shop4shoes.com - It doesn't look good:
shop4shoes.com Back-order this name
Registrant:
Antionette Murray (SHOP4SHOES-DOM)
none
la, CA 90027
US
Domain Name: SHOP4SHOES.COM
Administrative Contact, Technical Contact:
shoes, sexy (AM9711) [email protected]
none
d
la, FL 90027
US
213-555-5555
Record expires on 29-Nov-2003.
Record created on 30-Nov-1998.
Database last updated on 21-Apr-2003 13:22:17 EDT.
Domain servers in listed order:
NS1.WEBSHOWHOST.COM 65.170.178.130
NS2.WEBSHOWHOST.COM 65.170.178.131
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neonmania
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posted on April 21, 2003 10:25:52 AM new
Personally, if I were Shops, I would not be giving you the time of day right now. Rather than ask if she was the person in question, you came with guns blazing in a forum where she is a respected and helpful member throwing out accusations.
Since she has stated that she is not guilty of the offenses you are claiming and has spoken many times in the past of her non usage of pay-pal and endorsement and helpful advice regarding merchant accounts your repeated accusation and call for her to publicly defend herself are out of line.
File a PayPal dispute and move on.
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shevamp
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posted on April 21, 2003 10:26:37 AM new
[ edited by shevamp on Apr 21, 2003 12:17 PM ]
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soshoeme
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posted on April 21, 2003 10:29:45 AM new
I lurk a lot, but I pay attention.
I understood shop4shoes to say that she makes her money from her brick and mortar stores. Why should she list anything for you? Now you aren't sure after you have posted defaming information about a seller.
If we go by your reasoning then you are shevamp on ebay. Shevamp on ebay is not a registered user. What vendio services would you be using as a seller with an unregistered account?
Those two sites are the same owner or have the same designer.
Or they steal meta code from the same place.
I know that shop4shoes.com links you directly to paypal but theyhave the seller's name listed as n2shoes. BOTH sites are not working now.
The paypal name can be anything. You can even change what it says on the credit card slip when you want. It could be a corporate name if it is a business account.
You have some nerve to put a sellers paypal info on a public forum.
The only stinky fish I smell is you.
I am pretty mild mannered. I am just sick of the antics of some people that sell in the footwear category.
back to lurking...
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msincognito
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posted on April 21, 2003 10:32:36 AM new
shevamp, shop4shoes, like many of the regulars here, seems to want to keep her Vendio posting ID separate from her eBay and website IDs. And she's smart to do it.
That said, I have the feeling that the two of you could both profit if you could figure out a way to put your heads together and compare notes off-the-board. Possibly you could both sign up for throwaway email addresses (yahoo or some other service) and post them so you can contact each other without compromising your identity.
Understand that I'm assuming shop4shoes is NOT the one who ripped you off. I'm doing that because what we know of her doesn't match what you're describing. It may seem like folks are ganging up on you but I can see why you are upset ... you were ripped off and you thought you knew who did it.
One last suggestion: I think it's a good idea to hold off on posting any more personally identifying info until the parties directly involved have a chance to compare notes privately. I say this despite the fact that I'm desperately curious to know what's going on ... but it's probably best.
[ edited by msincognito on Apr 21, 2003 10:42 AM ]
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sun818
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posted on April 21, 2003 10:36:05 AM new
soshoeme, many vendio users do not use their eBay name when posting to this forum. I don't, and many people do the same.
Anyway, shevamp, I suggest you look to Paypal's Buyer Complain Form for some resolution :
http://www.paypal.com/cgi-bin/webscr?cmd=p/gen/buyer-complaint-outside
Fortunately, there are ways to get your money back for non-delivery, but that depends on your specific circumstances. If you want to discuss your situation, I strongly suggest you create a new thread and we can help you there.
It really is unfair to associate shop4shoes (vendio) with shop4shoes.com if they are not the same entity.
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soshoeme
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posted on April 21, 2003 10:43:01 AM new
soshoeme, many vendio users do not use their eBay name when posting to this forum. I don't, and many people do the same.
That is my point. Shevamp came after shop4shoes based on her user name here.
I lurk....I do it well....
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grumpyebayer
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posted on April 21, 2003 10:51:24 AM new
Here's the owner of shop4shoes.com - It doesn't look good:
Looks fine to me. They have had the domain a long time. Like I said, I would order from them again in a minute.
Since she has stated that she is not guilty of the offenses you are claiming and has spoken many times in the past of her non usage of pay-pal and endorsement and helpful advice regarding merchant accounts your repeated accusation and call for her to publicly defend herself are out of line.
That is one reason I feel the accusations are bogus. There are many others too.
I think most of their business is wholesaleing to others. I have also emailed them. Maybe somone's email will get through. Even if they don't sell on ebay. I would love to hear what they have to say about this.
I am not trying to be harsh with shevamp. I feel she is out of line to accuse shop4shoes without some every good proof. Putting out somone's paypal info is wrong.
I say this despite the fact that I'm desperately curious to know what's going on ...
Nosey. Me too. 
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msincognito
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posted on April 21, 2003 10:54:54 AM new
grumpyebayer So you know how hard it was for me to add that last bit "
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shevamp
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posted on April 21, 2003 11:01:11 AM new
[ edited by shevamp on Apr 21, 2003 12:19 PM ]
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shevamp
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posted on April 21, 2003 11:04:47 AM new
[ edited by shevamp on Apr 21, 2003 12:16 PM ]
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msincognito
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posted on April 21, 2003 11:09:30 AM new
shevamp, I'm sorry, my posting was more prompted by concern that more details would be published, by any of the posters here. There are some folks here who are very, very good at tracking people down on the web. (I by comparison am a rank amateur.) I should've made that more clear.
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neonmania
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posted on April 21, 2003 11:19:13 AM new
Perhaps because the phone number listed does not exist and also because anyone with experience in dealing with sites and customers knows that not listing street addresses is not suspicious, it smart. Not knowing that many moons ago when I registered my site is how I got my very own personal stalker.
Also please note that both sites could be stroke for stroke identical and it would mean nnothing towards your accusation considering that Shops has stated, and made comments long before your accusation that back her up, that neither of these sites are hers.
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sun818
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posted on April 21, 2003 11:36:58 AM new
Hi, all information I post is public information. I'm not disclosing anything that's not readily available with a little research.
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