posted on January 24, 2003 10:07:52 AM new
Lets see, The wisdom of our leaders? I doubt it? Fight for our freedoms? Doubt that too, Our wise leaders took them on Sept 12. At least we all feel SO MUCH MORE secure now... Right? RIGHT?!??!?!?!
posted on January 24, 2003 11:17:19 AM new
Hi all! Long time lurker ... first time poster. You are all great! A real storehouse of information.
I hope this post does not stir things up, me being a "newbie" to this forum and all, but ... I make it a personal policy to verify (almost) everything that passes my way, such as virus warnings, "needles-in-theater-seat" warnings, awesome photos (like this one), etc.
I studied the photo for a while and then did a search at the Randolph AFB website. Found nothing. Shot off an email to public affairs and received this reply:
CLASSIFICATION:UNCLASSIFIED
Not real. The flyby photo you refer to is an illustration.
V/R
MSgt. Roberts
(Note: I have MSgt. Roberts' email address, phone, fax, etc. if anyone needs further verification)
Anywhoo ... eventhough it is a cool pic, and I am sure a feat that the USAF could accomplish, it is not real and should be treated as such. Enough on that subject.
As far as praying for our troops & leaders, my youngest son is an officer in the US Army and I DO pray for him (and them) daily! Our leaders? YES! Our enemies? Absolutely!!
Okay, off of my soapbox and back to the hills where I belong!
"I live in my own little world, but it's okay, they know me there"
posted on January 24, 2003 11:36:36 AM new
Fluffy, with all due respect, if I had to look to an opinion and my choice was between you and Franklin, I would probably side with Franklin...
They that can give up essential liberty to obtain a little temporary safety deserve neither liberty nor safety. B. Franklin
posted on January 24, 2003 11:56:51 AM new
nanntique,
While the price of Freedom may be eternal Vigilance, the price of Freedom can NEVER be Freedom. The idea that we should give up freedom to protect freedom makes no sense. Yet, GW wants us to Believe that is the case. Do you feel safer knowing that the government has taken the right to try people in Military courts, find people guilty, and kill them without any review or appeal possible? Do you feel safer knowing the government has taken legal residents and imprisioned them for month upon end with no trial, no right to a lawyer, no ability to communicate with family, friends, or legal council?
I don't know about you, but GW is almost as scarey as the "Liberal" media (all owned by major corporations) who never seem to have any criticism of the man or his policies. Whenever Clinton was leading us into a Military fight, I heard commentary upon commentary about how a draft evader and an adulterer was leading us to battle (not that Billy was any great hero of mine). You never hear anything about GW Bush going AWOL and missed the last 18 months of his service. How he was put on Disiplinary duty (rumor is it was for drug use, but that is just rumor... Georgey Claims to be drug free since at least 1974!)
Try a google search on Bush AWOL. A little education can be a fun thing.
They that can give up essential liberty to obtain a little temporary safety deserve neither liberty nor safety. B. Franklin
posted on January 24, 2003 11:09:03 PM new
Dejapooh -
While I hope that this thread is closed, due to not being on the eBay topic theme, I can not help but reply to your last post......
Oh my oh my....... another Bush basher.
Yes, I do believe that a little education can be a fun thing........try reading comprehension for yourself. In case you missed the statement in my post that mentioned - 'a cumulative 139 years in the Service of this Country', let me expand on that, as it includes; a father, 2 brothers, my husband, myself, and my son & daughter (both currently in harms way) in the Marines.
As for the military court actions; if the freedom & safety of the majority of Americans (including those that took a truthful oath of citizenship) depends on the restriction or destruction of those that used our open society to try to destroy it from within, then I firmly believe, as has been previously historically stated (vastly paraphased) -
'Take 'em all down, and let God sort out the innocent!'
posted on January 25, 2003 08:05:22 AM new
Waste of space in an otherwise informational eBay outlook. Take it to the roundtable where the rest of the liberal posters are.
I thank God everyday for our men and women in the Armed Forces. The families of these men and women should be commended also for the values they instilled in their children. Without these values we would have no Armed Forces.
posted on January 25, 2003 08:13:01 AM new
Libra you hit the nail right on the head!! I was beginning to wonder where common sense had gone. I have been made to feel very unwelcome at the AW Roundtable since I don't share the liberal belief.
posted on January 25, 2003 08:43:52 AM new
WHAT does protesting against Dumbo & the rest of his HALIBURTON-CRIMINAL buddies, have to do with supporting our Armed Services??
If ole Snoozey and the Lip-Reader hadn't pumped BILLIONS into Saddam's military back in the 80's (remember the 80's? That's when Snoozey raped the US economy??), Dumbo wouldn't be waving his little stick now
posted on January 25, 2003 08:53:49 AM new
I'm beginning to resent the implication that those who don't support the president in his obsession to take this country to war also don't accept support the men and the women of the military.
I think most people realize that the military has no say in the matter, they are doing what they were told despite the fact that many of them don't agree with the president either. When it comes right down to it, I have even more respect for the ones that don't agree with the president but boarded their ship anyway and left to fulfill their commitment than I ever will those that sent them.
posted on January 25, 2003 09:34:46 AM new
tomwiii
Why do you people always have to revert to name calling? I know most liberals are vacant when it comes to thinking, but can you not say anything without name calling. What a bunch of babies.
Gee?? Must be something I learned from Howie Carr? Or maybe from dear ole Rush?? Or perhaps from sweetness & light Lee Atwater?? No?? Perhaps it was dat "nattering nabob of negativism" VP~"convicted CRIMINAL VP"~ Spirogyra Agnew?? I don't know? I try to learn from the BEST: like Donald Segretti?? Or maybe (if ya listen to his sweet tapes) ole RACIAL HARMONY HIMSELF: -- Milhous??
posted on January 25, 2003 09:59:55 AM new
So let me get this straight. First you state that liberals are "vacant" and in the same breath you ask someone to stop with the name calling? Nice!
posted on January 25, 2003 04:12:39 PM new
I have to agree with neonmania.
GW makes me feel uncomfortable. Period. He is most likely a good man, but essentially an idiot. He's lucky he's got the cabinet that he does. I think that a lot of people feel that it doesn't matter what the inspectors come back with, we're going to war. That makes me feel even more uncomfortable, and makes me question GW's motives.
However, my opinion of GW does not makes me unpatriotic. I've always believed that a strong military is essential to the US, and if it comes down to the unfortunate situation where we are "at war" in Iraq, then I will back the men and women fighting for us 100%.
As a side note, let me add that I love how the conservatives, during Clinton's terms, blamed everything that was wrong on the Democrats. Now that they are in "power", when something goes wrong it's still because of the Democrats! Then there's the whining about the Liberal press. You mean the same Liberal press that's been kissing GW's a$$ and asking this administration Fisher Price questions? Give me a break! Hypocrisy abounds, on both sides of the coin, and partisan politics is at the root.
Let the comments roll in, but don't bother questioning my patriotism because I'm not a GW fan.
"Who's tending the bar? Sniping works up a thirst"
posted on January 25, 2003 04:33:06 PM new
So, this is the 21st century. Pathetic. Depressing. Sorry I read this thread. However, it is a good reminder to avoid message boards these days.
posted on January 25, 2003 08:08:41 PM new
why hasn't this thread been WOMD'ed yet?
I'm usually not one to care about 'non-eBay related' topics, but politics?
C'Mon!
take it to the Round Table already.
posted on January 25, 2003 11:25:10 PM new
nanntique
Years of family service does not mean you know what freedom means. Your post about your willingness to give up your freedoms for security tells more then 1000 years of service.
I also notice how you ignore my other points. SIGH... I would love to hear what a Militarist has to say about Bush being a deserter and the lack of coverage that has received compaired to Clinton Dodging the draft by using perfectly legal methods.
Lets put it on the line here. The price of liberty is vigilance, but sometimes the price of liberty is bodies (for example WWII). Would you say the number of American's killed in WWII were worth it? I think so. Their lives were given to preserve liberty at home and around the world. How about the people who died in the WTC? The way it seems to me, their deaths have triggered a massive rollback in civil rights the likes of which have not been seen since the Internments of WWII. Do we honor their deaths by living couragiously or do we dishonor them by using their lives as an excuse to roll back civil rights. Don't delude yourself into thinking that what they have done was done because of the attacks. They have wanted to do this for a LONG time, but the people, the courts, the congress, and the media stood in the way. Now because of one attack we have rolled over and given them what they wanted. We are afraid to live as AMERICANS. Live free or die? We'ce come up with a third option... Roll over and play dead.
They that can give up essential liberty to obtain a little temporary safety deserve neither liberty nor safety. B. Franklin
posted on January 26, 2003 05:38:01 AM new
dejapooh -
You will probably never understand, but my family knows exactly what freedom & liberty means, as well as what sacrifices it takes to defend it. We have paid the ultimate price to do just that, not just once but twice. No, we do not wrap ourselves in the FLAG, we stand in front on it and and defend it, and even take bullets for it. I can just bet that you have never served, nor placed yourself in harms way to defend your freedoms or beliefs. Talk is cheap, blood & flesh are expensive.
I give up no freedom for security, and if you equate freedom with allowing external non-American sources free rein to destroy us, then maybe you need to rethink just what you want to be 'free' to do................
posted on January 26, 2003 06:25:17 AM new
Was Ben Franklin talking about giving up liberty for safety in a republic or a monarchy? Even with all the "freedom" errosion the US is by far a much more free society than it ever has been before.
dd
Sniping works up a thirst"
