fluffythewondercat
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posted on April 21, 2003 11:51:35 AM new
I have a suggestion for BOTH shevamp and sun818.
See that little underlined "edit" next to your posts? Use it. Remove the indiscreet/inappropriate/inflammatory information each of you have posted. Remove it completely.
Doesn't matter if it is public knowledge. Start behaving like grownups.
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"I'm thinking of the immortal words of Socrates, who said `I drank WHAT?'"
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wholesalefootwear
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posted on April 21, 2003 12:08:58 PM new
Hello,
I am one of the owners of the website SheVamp claims stole her money.
First of all, I would like to take the time to thank the many people that emailed us to inform us of this thread.
I will simply state as many of the facts possible without giving customer information out.
Ms. SheVamp contacted us on April 4th inquiring about order 0345. A response was sent that we would look into it. On April 5th we sent her an email informing her that her name was not the name on the paypal account that paid for the items. Not only that she was not writing from the same email that paid for the order. We informed her at that time, we would only release information to the person that paid for the order. That person was a male. We do our best to protect the privacy of our customers.
We have emailed the person that paid for the item numerous times at the email on file with paypal. None of them have been returned and some have been read. We have return receipts for them. Our last email was on April 18th.
We have been experiencing some server problems and database misconfigurations. Mail to us is being delayed and we have been unable to send mail out from our server. This is posted on our site (which happens to be having problems too). We have been emailing all customers about their orders and have not had any real problems reaching them from an alternate email.
The main fact is Ms. SheVamp did not pay for the boots. Someone else did and that is the only person we will deal with.
I would like to add that we wholesale to many ebay and online footwear sellers. Some of them have been loyal customers for years. We have had no complaints.
I apologize that our website has improperly taken up time on your forum.
Thank You
PS: We do not sell on ebay at all. We do not compete with our customers.
[ edited by wholesalefootwear on Apr 21, 2003 12:32 PM ]
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shevamp
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posted on April 21, 2003 12:16:11 PM new
Well would you like to contact the person who bought the boots at the email address
listed: [email protected]?
Let's get off this discusion board and kindly contact the buyer there ok?
At least there was a response this way. No one ever got back to me or the "Buyer"!
Thanks much 
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shevamp
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posted on April 21, 2003 12:22:32 PM new
Hey Fluffy,
I took your advice...my posts are gone. I hope the seller contacts now.
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soshoeme
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posted on April 21, 2003 12:32:17 PM new
Out of lurking...with a cause...
That is certainly a little different than you indicated. As a seller, I would not communicate with anyone other than the purchaser.
According to wholesales post, they have been contacting the buyer and someone has been reading the emails.
I lurk...well...
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sun818
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posted on April 21, 2003 12:36:09 PM new
fluffy, I don't know what you're talking about. What have I posted that is "indiscreet/inappropriate/inflammatory"? Anyone with half a brain can do a WHOIS lookup and get the information for shop4shoes.com -- Its all false contact information anyway (except for email maybe). Anyway, thanks for the advice mom.
[ edited by sun818 on Apr 21, 2003 12:41 PM ]
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shevamp
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posted on April 21, 2003 12:36:19 PM new
You know, all I wanted to do was get what I paid for, I even agreed to delete my posts after the seller came on here and posted.
HOWEVER I NEVER recieved a response, NO ONE recieved a response. There are no receipts because there were no e-mails sent. I did by the shoes.
I also agree with sun818 on the fact that we had only posted information that was accesible to the public and was public knowledge.
I took off my posts to be fair and done with this matter. I posted here because I wanted to get in touch with the seller because I couldn't any other normal way (e-mail, phone).
[ edited by shevamp on Apr 21, 2003 12:42 PM ]
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neonmania
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posted on April 21, 2003 12:44:40 PM new
At this point in time SheVamp - I would say that you owe a deliberate and pointed apology to Shops. One that does not contain ifs ands or buts and does not attempt to justify your actions.
You made a huge mistake attempting to tarnish the reputation of a respected poster here now its time to be accept responsibility for it.
[ edited by neonmania on Apr 21, 2003 12:46 PM ]
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fluffythewondercat
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posted on April 21, 2003 12:55:46 PM new
Anyone with half a brain can do a WHOIS lookup
Obviously.
(Try not to make it so easy next time, hokay?)
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"I'm thinking of the immortal words of Socrates, who said `I drank WHAT?'"
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grumpyebayer
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posted on April 21, 2003 12:56:25 PM new
HOWEVER I NEVER recieved a response, NO ONE recieved a response. There are no receipts because there were no e-mails sent. I did by the shoes.
You have lost what little credibility you had. If you bought the shoes you have a split personality. Since the purchaser was a man (you didn't deny that) and you are a woman . You only deny getting the emails.
You may be telling the truth since they were sent to an AOL address. AOL does give receipts even if they only reach the server and not the recipient. Maybe wholesale footwear thought he got a read receipt, when he got a delivered receipt.
I also agree with sun818 on the fact that we had only posted information that was accesible to the public and was public knowledge.
BULS**T! Until you came here slinging mud left and right no one had any reason to scrutinize or look at the sellers auction. Your dealings with a website that has nothing to do with this board.
One thing really sticks out. You owe two ebay sellers a HUGE apology and you are still making excuses to cover yourself.
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shevamp
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posted on April 21, 2003 01:04:44 PM new
I don't have to deny anything, because I am a woman and I purchased the shoes! With MY MONEY.
I already apologized to shop4shoes on here and i'll do it again in BIG LETTERS SO YOU CAN ALL SEE>>> SHOP4SHOES (the seller who posts here NOT shop4shoes.com) I AM SORRY FOR THE MISUNDERSTANDING. I took all posts down so that that sellers rep isn't "Tarnished" by my comments.
I was the only one who said anything and I accept responsibility for what I said and it was removed. You say I owe an apology to 2 sellers? who else? and why?
As far as mudslinging I was talking about shop4shoes.com which I stated in the begining...this post was started about shop4shoes (the seller on ebay) saying they had been suspended 14 times from eBay! (Which is what caught my attention in the first place) So I am not the only reason anyone was looking at the seller's background I beg to differ. This post was started days before I posted anything.
[ edited by shevamp on Apr 21, 2003 01:17 PM ]
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grumpyebayer
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posted on April 21, 2003 01:14:42 PM new
You say I owe an apology to 2 sellers? who else? and why?
While you were doing the "right thing" you implicated another seller as being a thief. N2shoes. Or maybe you don't think you owe them one since they are not here to defend themselves.
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shevamp
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posted on April 21, 2003 01:19:31 PM new
Did you read my original post? All I said was shop4shoes.com uses the sellers name n2shoes for paypal. That it was strange and they were linked. That's the truth, you can check it out.... so i'm not apologizing for that.
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neonmania
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posted on April 21, 2003 01:57:05 PM new
Now that you have established yourself as completely lacking in comprehension skills (completely missed what was actually said in the first post), integrity and honor, please slink back into whatever corner you came from. You are only digging a deeper hole for yourslf and making yourself look worse.
Every person on this thread has seen your post an an accusation toward Shops. How are you now goig to try to backpedal and say it was anything other than that?
Either do the honorable thing and take responsibility for your mistake and appologize or just go away.
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shevamp
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posted on April 21, 2003 02:07:39 PM new
Oh, I see. I am lacking in comprehension skills? Well you are lacking in literate skills or else you would have seen my apology not once but twice to the seller! As far as me going away and crawling back to my corner, only if you crawl back to school and learn how to read dumba@@!
BTW Wholesalefootwear (www.shop4shoes.com)...Mail servers down so they dont ship the shoes? So you got the money. What do you care what account you get email from after. you gonna keep the money now? our transaction was complete.Is it against the law to have more than one e-mail address? You didn't reply to any of my e-mail addresses, no matter where I wrote from, maybe that's why I tried with a diffrent address?
[ edited by shevamp on Apr 21, 2003 02:26 PM ]
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sun818
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posted on April 21, 2003 02:20:01 PM new
shevamp, depending on how you paid with Paypal, I suggest you go through the Buyer Complaint Process. The burden of proof of delivery is up to the seller. If the seller can not produce proof of delivery, you get your money back. Nothing gets a seller's attention more than the possibility of a chargeback or the loss of profits.
she was not writing from the same email that paid for the order
Buyers often use multiple e-mail addresses and its not a reason not to communicate with the buyer. I often receive eBay notifications for buyer from one e-mail, Paypal from another e-mail, actual correspondence from yet another.
If the buyer sends the seller the Paypal transaction ID associated with the purchase, that means the buyer has access to the Paypal account. This, to me, is proof enough to verify buyer identity and does not violate any notions of privacy.
That person was a male
How can one definitely associate a name as being male or female? Even if a name is traditionally male or female, some odd parents will name their kids irregardless of their sex.
The seller needs to be response-able and deal with this specific buyer issue especially when a distressed buyer has to post on a public forum to bring attention to this order. wholesalefootwear, if you feel shevamp is not who she claims to be, verify some information and get this resolved.
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sun818
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posted on April 21, 2003 02:22:04 PM new
Don't take it personally shevamp. Some users post their thoughts without reading through the entire thread. Nasty aren't they?
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shevamp
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posted on April 21, 2003 02:29:27 PM new
Thanks for the info sun, i'm in the process of going through this with paypal now
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shop4shoes
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posted on April 21, 2003 02:56:16 PM new
How can one definitely associate a name as being male or female? Even if a name is traditionally male or female, some odd parents will name their kids irregardless of their sex
I asscoiate shevamp with female because wholesaleshoes obviously knew she was and knew the purchaser was male. Shevamp did not deny that.
The seller needs to be response-able and deal with this specific buyer issue especially when a distressed buyer has to post on a public forum to bring attention to this order. wholesalefootwear
If it ain't in her name she ain't a buyer. The "distressed" buyer is not here.
Buyers often use multiple e-mail addresses and its not a reason not to communicate with the buyer. I often receive eBay notifications for buyer from one e-mail, Paypal from another e-mail, actual correspondence from yet another
Yes, they do. They are often the same person. Not a woman writing about a man's paypal account. I would have done the same if a Ms. wrote to me about a Mr. account from a different email. It happens regularly. If I don't get a response from the correct email to release information then I don't. Many sellers operate that way.
shevamp, depending on how you paid with Paypal, I suggest you go through the Buyer Complaint Process. The burden of proof of delivery is up to the seller. If the seller can not produce proof of delivery, you get your money back. Nothing gets a seller's attention more than the possibility of a chargeback or the loss of profits.
If she were the buyer, she could have done that already. Instead she is here making unfounded accusations. If the real buyer doesn't get HIS order maybe HE will file a complaint. Perhaps the person that the paypal account is under is getting the emails and is unconcerned.
BTW Wholesaleshoes...Mail servers down so they dont ship the shoes?
How would you know the shoes have not been shipped? WS isn't emailing you according to both of your posts. Ws is emailing the buyer.
You didn't reply to any of my e-mail addresses, no matter where I wrote from, maybe that's why I tried with a diffrent address?
According to the post that started this bruhaha you made a purchase on the 2nd. You emailed WS from a DIFFERENT email on the 4th. You are saying that you could not get in touch with them on the 4th from the correct email? Or at any address? I don't buy it. WS posted that someone told you on the 4th they would look into the account. You did not deny getting that email.
Did you read my original post? All I said was shop4shoes.com uses the sellers name n2shoes for paypal. That it was strange and they were linked. That's the truth, you can check it out.... so i'm not apologizing for that.
In that now infamous original post you said that I was an "established" seller as shop4shoes, n2shoes, yahoo stores etc. Connecting n2shoes to a paypal account did not come until LATER!
You have no proof that the accounts were linked except a name. By that flawed reasoning every "John Smith account would be linked.
You do not know how long either have had their accounts or which came first. There is no seller n2shoes. They have zero feedback on ebay. As someone said here before you can call your account anything. I have come accross several paypal accounts called "sexy lingerie". All of them are differnet ebayers. It is just a common generic name that is easy to use and describes a business. Same with n2shoes.
You do owe n2shoes an apology.
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neonmania
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posted on April 21, 2003 03:01:06 PM new
: h, I see. I am lacking in comprehension skills? Well you are lacking in literate skills::
I assume you menat literacy....
or else you would have seen my apology not once but twice to the seller! ::
Your first appology was not a formal apology, the IF really blew it out of the water. Had it been a true apology, you would not have deleted it.
As for the second one... I admit I over looked it, wiith the symbols nd such, I thought you were quoting someone.
::As far as me going away and crawling back to my corner, only if you crawl back to school and learn how to read dumba@@! ::
Ah, profanities, the true sign of an intelligent mind.
If you brush up on your comprehension skills and reread the thread you will see that ebay has somehow managed to link together 14 accounts of different buyers and sellers (including Shops) and claims that they are all owned by a single previous suspended account owner and so have suspended all of the accounts. There's a huge difference between that and saying that she has been suspended 14 times.
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grumpyebayer
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posted on April 21, 2003 03:08:49 PM new
In that now infamous original post you said that I was an "established" seller as shop4shoes, n2shoes,yahoo stores etc. Connecting n2shoes to a paypal account did not come until LATER
shop4 is correct. The paypal name was was not mentioned until much later. It was not in shevamps original post.
The simplest thing shevamp could have done is file a complaint with paypal. There was no need for her to come here and write what she did.
There were not two apologies. There was one and it was as stinky as all her other posts.
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soshoeme
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posted on April 21, 2003 03:17:00 PM new
Out of lurking...Fangs exposed...
To be fair. Shevamp may not have known she could file a complaint with paypal. On the other hand if she was the buyer, I would think she would notice the "buyer protection" links in the account.
I think n2shoes should get an apology too. My cousin's paypal account is "cds 4 sale". He has never sold anything on ebay or anywhere else. I got cds last month from a seller whose paypal account was "cds for sale". I thought what a small world.
Fangs retracted....Phase into lurking
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shop4shoes
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posted on April 21, 2003 03:17:39 PM new
I forgot. Apology accepted.
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zathras11
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posted on April 21, 2003 03:19:01 PM new
Yet another glowing example of why you should
only be allowed to have ONE and only ONE eBay
account user ID!!!!!
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"Cannot say. Saying, I would know. Do not
know, so cannot say". -- Zathras (Babylon 5)
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neonmania
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posted on April 21, 2003 03:25:32 PM new
How? This is a mistake is numerous mistakenn identities. This haas nothing to do with a problem caused by one user having multiple accounts.
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msincognito
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posted on April 21, 2003 03:25:34 PM new
But I like having two! 
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shop4shoes
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posted on April 21, 2003 03:48:52 PM new
Wheels must be turning somewhere. I checked a few minutes ago and 5 of the 14 ids are no longer naru. I have a feeling that my day in the sun is coming.
Yet another glowing example of why you should only be allowed to have ONE and only ONE eBay account user ID!!!!!
Pipe down. My 9 cats can beat your 9 bothers. 
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nanntique
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posted on April 21, 2003 04:09:00 PM new
I'm just glad that I don't sell shoes.
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Invest in the Future, by saving some of the Past!
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lindajean
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posted on April 21, 2003 04:15:19 PM new
In defense of multiple id's.
I list hundreds of items a week. I sell in 3 categories. Records, movie memorabilia and postcards.
The people looking for postcards don't want to wade through 20 pages of ads to find the postcards, the record people don't want to look through postcards to get to the records, etc. etc.
I sell under 3 ids. One for each separate type item I list.
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shop4shoes
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posted on April 21, 2003 04:39:38 PM new
I'm just glad that I don't sell shoes.
I think people are finally beginning to see the pain of selling in the apparel categories.
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