HJW
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posted on February 17, 2001 02:06:39 PM new
How about medical research? He could take the place of some poor rat.
Helen
[edited to exchange the word dog for rat,
a more appropriate exchange.
[ edited by HJW on Feb 17, 2001 02:09 PM ]
[ edited by HJW on Feb 17, 2001 02:15 PM ]
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Antiquary
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posted on February 17, 2001 02:13:21 PM new
Medical research is viable, insofar as it wouldn't involve the brain.
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HJW
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posted on February 17, 2001 02:18:06 PM new
Maybe we could research dendrite stimulation.
Helen
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toke
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posted on February 17, 2001 02:22:58 PM new
LOL @ the Sarge for the wartime history reminder/lesson...
Who knows...if it were not for the distraction of Clinton by Monica's oral arts...we could have had WWIII!
Saved by a Lewinski...heh...
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Antiquary
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posted on February 17, 2001 02:41:14 PM new
Wasn't Will Rogers who said that the Democrats never lost a war and the Republicans never won a peace.
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toke
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posted on February 17, 2001 02:43:13 PM new
Don't forget good 'ol Honest Abe Lincoln...a Republican...
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Antiquary
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posted on February 17, 2001 02:45:22 PM new
But I'm not sure that Bush and Ashcroft believe that war is over.
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Shoshanah
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posted on February 17, 2001 02:49:34 PM new
Antiquary ..As far as shrub and ashcrafty are concerned, the fun has just begun....
I am seriously fearful for the future of World Peace. The slobs have done more damage in one week than I thought possible 
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Gosh Shosh!
About Me
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toke
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posted on February 17, 2001 02:54:09 PM new
Why shore they do! Didn't you know that they honor the Abe above all false and dishonorable presidents? (for instance, Clinton...heh)
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Pocono
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posted on February 17, 2001 02:55:58 PM new
man, I think another ex-military man is on a booze binge too!
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Antiquary
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posted on February 17, 2001 03:01:44 PM new
With our new treasury secretary's gaffes this week, the current role model seems to Herbert Hoover.
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toke
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posted on February 17, 2001 03:09:23 PM new
I missed those, Antiquary...tell, please. I think I'm suffering from political overkill. Plus...horrors...my husband is dragging me off to the kitchen to cook. Arghhh. I am hungry, though... BBL
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HJW
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posted on February 17, 2001 03:15:19 PM new
You can't hold those military men in too
high esteem...especially when they let
corporate sightseers control a submarine.
This was such a total screw up that drinking
is not out of the question.
Helen
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gaffan
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posted on February 17, 2001 03:18:38 PM new
If not then, certainly now.
-gaffan-
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Antiquary
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posted on February 17, 2001 03:20:30 PM new
Here's O'Neill's latest.
http://www.nytimes.com/reuters/business/business-group-oneill.html
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Antiquary
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posted on February 17, 2001 03:38:26 PM new
Bye, Toke,
I've got to go out, too. Have a good dinner, but if you're cooking that's pretty much assured.
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krs
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posted on February 17, 2001 04:16:28 PM new
Republican congressmen try an exercize in leadership
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inside
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posted on February 17, 2001 04:26:13 PM new
ROFLMAO, I said I read the Commander liked vodka and look what the posters here have turned it into.
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toke
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posted on February 17, 2001 04:44:38 PM new
Not so slick Hilly flubs getaway...
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toke
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posted on February 17, 2001 04:47:33 PM new
Night, Antiquary...
Thanks for the link. I'll check it out in the morning...when I'm not so full
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femme
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posted on February 17, 2001 04:53:11 PM new
LOL, krs. Imagining all kinds of captions that could be used with that picture.
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krs
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posted on February 17, 2001 05:09:09 PM new
Toke, I think the Clintons just knew that with a preferred diet of peanut butter and jelly sandwiches the silver would have gone to tarnish anyway.
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krs
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posted on February 17, 2001 05:11:34 PM new
Republicans Depend on Democratic Strengths
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toke
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posted on February 17, 2001 05:21:51 PM new
OT, krs...
Have you ridden the rails, lately??? How depressing. I had no idea... Lot's of unhappy folks. Having been through it myself, I know how lousy they feel.
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inside
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posted on February 17, 2001 05:28:59 PM new
To the crew of USS Greeneville (SSN-772), Mary Elizabeth “Tipper” Gore is more than just the wife of Vice President Al Gore – she’s the ship’s sponsor. On a day-long embark from Pearl Harbor, Hawaii, she had firsthand experience of life onboard, including riding the bridge, taking the helm, and hanging on while the submarine demonstrated “angles and dangles” and an emergency blow. After meeting with the crew of “her” submarine, Mrs. Gore was outspoken in her praise. “I’ve so enjoyed being aboard the ship and so proud to be the sponsor,” she said. “This crew is really special to me, and they do a wonderful job under great leadership. I’m truly honored to have taken part in your operations today."
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krs
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posted on February 17, 2001 05:35:51 PM new
And what do you know? Captain Waddle is a native of Austin, Texas.
He's got a degree in chemistry, so while his Navy career is now scrapped, he'll have a job in the Texas oil industry anytime he wants it, and at a much (MUCH) higher salary.
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Shadowcat
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posted on February 18, 2001 05:44:53 AM new
There was an article in the Stars&Stripes a few days ago about the commander of naval operations ordering several stand down days because of his concern about safety practices. I wonder if what happened with the sub isn't indicative of bigger safety problems amongst the Navy in that area?
Whether or not there were civilians on board isn't relevant. That's a fairly common occurence throughout the branches of the military. The only thing relevant here is that there are regulations in place for the procedure and those regulations WERE NOT FOLLOWED. This situation is the total responsibility of the commander of that sub AND his superiors. Any Navy "coverup" is really those superiors engaging in CYA as they scramble to avoid as much fallout as possible to salvage their careers. It's the military way.
I wouldn't be surprised if the sub commander is the only person hung out to dry. Remember the AWACS plane shooting down the friendly helicopter and the American plane that clipped the wire holding the ski gondola in Italy. In both those instances, people died. And in both those instances, investigations revealed there were major problems up the chain of command that made those accidents waiting to happen but in the end the people at the bottom of the chain were held responsible. Again, it's the military way.
I'm reminded of the incident off the coast of CA a few years back, when a sub caught some fishermen's nets and pulled the boat right under. Weren't people killed then, too? Wasn't that sub being used in the filming of a movie in yet another PR opportunity? Why no big brouhaha about that incident being the president's fault?
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HJW
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posted on February 18, 2001 06:07:54 AM new
http://www.nytimes.com/2001/02/18/national/18SUBM.html?pagewanted=1
Even the Navy believes that the civilians are relevant. The court of
inquiry should compel civilians to testify. If they refuse, they face
federal charges.
It's also interesting that 6 of the 12 civilians are from the great
state of Texas!
Helen
[ edited by HJW on Feb 18, 2001 06:13 AM ]
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HJW
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posted on February 18, 2001 06:46:50 AM new
This was supposed to be a training procedure.
It would seem that in a training procedure,
all of the appropriate procedures would be
followed to the letter.
It's my opinion that in this case, the navy
was performing for the corporate sightseers
and friends of George Bush. In the navy's
misguided errort to impress these civilian
friends of Bush, 9 people were killed.
How can you believe that 12 civilians on a
submarine are not relevant.
Helen
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sgtmike
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posted on February 18, 2001 01:11:03 PM new
krs:
Reference your contribution of "facts."
"Republican congressmen try an exercize in leadership."
I thought I would contribute the "caption" that was attached to the jpeg.
"Speaker of the House Dennis Hastert (R-IL) leads Sen. Russ Feingold (D-WI) and Rep. Dick Gephardt (D-MO) on a blindfolded walk through the woods."
Notice how Hastert (Republican), although blindfolded, is staying on the trail, but the two Democrats, even while being hand-led, is wandering off the trail? Typical.
ROTFLMAO!
[ edited by sgtmike on Feb 18, 2001 01:12 PM ]
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