HJW
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posted on February 17, 2001 02:06:39 PM
How about medical research? He could take the place of some poor rat.
Helen
[edited to exchange the word dog for rat,
a more appropriate exchange.
[ edited by HJW on Feb 17, 2001 02:09 PM ]
[ edited by HJW on Feb 17, 2001 02:15 PM ]
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Antiquary
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posted on February 17, 2001 02:13:21 PM
Medical research is viable, insofar as it wouldn't involve the brain.
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HJW
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posted on February 17, 2001 02:18:06 PM
Maybe we could research dendrite stimulation.
Helen
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toke
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posted on February 17, 2001 02:22:58 PM
LOL @ the Sarge for the wartime history reminder/lesson...
Who knows...if it were not for the distraction of Clinton by Monica's oral arts...we could have had WWIII!
Saved by a Lewinski...heh...
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Antiquary
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posted on February 17, 2001 02:41:14 PM
Wasn't Will Rogers who said that the Democrats never lost a war and the Republicans never won a peace.
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toke
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posted on February 17, 2001 02:43:13 PM
Don't forget good 'ol Honest Abe Lincoln...a Republican...
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Antiquary
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posted on February 17, 2001 02:45:22 PM
But I'm not sure that Bush and Ashcroft believe that war is over.
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Shoshanah
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posted on February 17, 2001 02:49:34 PM
Antiquary ..As far as shrub and ashcrafty are concerned, the fun has just begun....
I am seriously fearful for the future of World Peace. The slobs have done more damage in one week than I thought possible 
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Gosh Shosh!
About Me
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toke
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posted on February 17, 2001 02:54:09 PM
Why shore they do! Didn't you know that they honor the Abe above all false and dishonorable presidents? (for instance, Clinton...heh)
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Pocono
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posted on February 17, 2001 02:55:58 PM
man, I think another ex-military man is on a booze binge too!
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Antiquary
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posted on February 17, 2001 03:01:44 PM
With our new treasury secretary's gaffes this week, the current role model seems to Herbert Hoover.
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toke
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posted on February 17, 2001 03:09:23 PM
I missed those, Antiquary...tell, please. I think I'm suffering from political overkill. Plus...horrors...my husband is dragging me off to the kitchen to cook. Arghhh. I am hungry, though... BBL
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HJW
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posted on February 17, 2001 03:15:19 PM
You can't hold those military men in too
high esteem...especially when they let
corporate sightseers control a submarine.
This was such a total screw up that drinking
is not out of the question.
Helen
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gaffan
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posted on February 17, 2001 03:18:38 PM
If not then, certainly now.
-gaffan-
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Antiquary
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posted on February 17, 2001 03:20:30 PM
Here's O'Neill's latest.
http://www.nytimes.com/reuters/business/business-group-oneill.html
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Antiquary
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posted on February 17, 2001 03:38:26 PM
Bye, Toke,
I've got to go out, too. Have a good dinner, but if you're cooking that's pretty much assured.
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krs
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posted on February 17, 2001 04:16:28 PM
Republican congressmen try an exercize in leadership
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inside
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posted on February 17, 2001 04:26:13 PM
ROFLMAO, I said I read the Commander liked vodka and look what the posters here have turned it into.
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toke
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posted on February 17, 2001 04:44:38 PM
Not so slick Hilly flubs getaway...
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toke
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posted on February 17, 2001 04:47:33 PM
Night, Antiquary...
Thanks for the link. I'll check it out in the morning...when I'm not so full
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femme
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posted on February 17, 2001 04:53:11 PM
LOL, krs. Imagining all kinds of captions that could be used with that picture.
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krs
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posted on February 17, 2001 05:09:09 PM
Toke, I think the Clintons just knew that with a preferred diet of peanut butter and jelly sandwiches the silver would have gone to tarnish anyway.
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krs
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posted on February 17, 2001 05:11:34 PM
Republicans Depend on Democratic Strengths
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toke
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posted on February 17, 2001 05:21:51 PM
OT, krs...
Have you ridden the rails, lately??? How depressing. I had no idea... Lot's of unhappy folks. Having been through it myself, I know how lousy they feel.
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inside
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posted on February 17, 2001 05:28:59 PM
To the crew of USS Greeneville (SSN-772), Mary Elizabeth “Tipper” Gore is more than just the wife of Vice President Al Gore – she’s the ship’s sponsor. On a day-long embark from Pearl Harbor, Hawaii, she had firsthand experience of life onboard, including riding the bridge, taking the helm, and hanging on while the submarine demonstrated “angles and dangles” and an emergency blow. After meeting with the crew of “her” submarine, Mrs. Gore was outspoken in her praise. “I’ve so enjoyed being aboard the ship and so proud to be the sponsor,” she said. “This crew is really special to me, and they do a wonderful job under great leadership. I’m truly honored to have taken part in your operations today."
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krs
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posted on February 17, 2001 05:35:51 PM
And what do you know? Captain Waddle is a native of Austin, Texas.
He's got a degree in chemistry, so while his Navy career is now scrapped, he'll have a job in the Texas oil industry anytime he wants it, and at a much (MUCH) higher salary.
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Shadowcat
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posted on February 18, 2001 05:44:53 AM
There was an article in the Stars&Stripes a few days ago about the commander of naval operations ordering several stand down days because of his concern about safety practices. I wonder if what happened with the sub isn't indicative of bigger safety problems amongst the Navy in that area?
Whether or not there were civilians on board isn't relevant. That's a fairly common occurence throughout the branches of the military. The only thing relevant here is that there are regulations in place for the procedure and those regulations WERE NOT FOLLOWED. This situation is the total responsibility of the commander of that sub AND his superiors. Any Navy "coverup" is really those superiors engaging in CYA as they scramble to avoid as much fallout as possible to salvage their careers. It's the military way.
I wouldn't be surprised if the sub commander is the only person hung out to dry. Remember the AWACS plane shooting down the friendly helicopter and the American plane that clipped the wire holding the ski gondola in Italy. In both those instances, people died. And in both those instances, investigations revealed there were major problems up the chain of command that made those accidents waiting to happen but in the end the people at the bottom of the chain were held responsible. Again, it's the military way.
I'm reminded of the incident off the coast of CA a few years back, when a sub caught some fishermen's nets and pulled the boat right under. Weren't people killed then, too? Wasn't that sub being used in the filming of a movie in yet another PR opportunity? Why no big brouhaha about that incident being the president's fault?
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HJW
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posted on February 18, 2001 06:07:54 AM
http://www.nytimes.com/2001/02/18/national/18SUBM.html?pagewanted=1
Even the Navy believes that the civilians are relevant. The court of
inquiry should compel civilians to testify. If they refuse, they face
federal charges.
It's also interesting that 6 of the 12 civilians are from the great
state of Texas!
Helen
[ edited by HJW on Feb 18, 2001 06:13 AM ]
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HJW
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posted on February 18, 2001 06:46:50 AM
This was supposed to be a training procedure.
It would seem that in a training procedure,
all of the appropriate procedures would be
followed to the letter.
It's my opinion that in this case, the navy
was performing for the corporate sightseers
and friends of George Bush. In the navy's
misguided errort to impress these civilian
friends of Bush, 9 people were killed.
How can you believe that 12 civilians on a
submarine are not relevant.
Helen
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sgtmike
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posted on February 18, 2001 01:11:03 PM
krs:
Reference your contribution of "facts."
"Republican congressmen try an exercize in leadership."
I thought I would contribute the "caption" that was attached to the jpeg.
"Speaker of the House Dennis Hastert (R-IL) leads Sen. Russ Feingold (D-WI) and Rep. Dick Gephardt (D-MO) on a blindfolded walk through the woods."
Notice how Hastert (Republican), although blindfolded, is staying on the trail, but the two Democrats, even while being hand-led, is wandering off the trail? Typical.
ROTFLMAO!
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