generalfunds
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posted on November 27, 2005 01:33:46 AM new
First of all, let me say that I learned here on these boards to only live feedback after it has been left by the buyer. Best advice I've ever received.
Secondly, this is a smoking household. I've never claimed otherwise.
We sold a folding knife not long ago and the buyer leaves feedback stating "As represented. Prompt ship. Smoking business/household". She had marked it as a positive but it was rather a "left-handed compliment". I decided just to let it go and not respond at all.
She sent a message thru eBay requesting that I "kindly reciprocate her positive feedback". I ignored that request.
Then, she sent a second request for positive feedback and after thinking a bit and telling DH, we agreed to answer "I'll leave positive feedback when I quit smoking!"
She wrote back saying "Well, in that case, good luck to you then." I figured that would be that.
Tonight, there's another message through eBay with "Have you quit smoking yet?".....
LOL ---sheeze. I won't be responding to this one...have deleted the message.
I realize some people hate cigarettes with a passion but really, on a knife? How about washing it? Not like it was fabric.
Guess it takes all kinds and back to "you can't please all the people all the time".
Thought maybe some of you could relate and get a chuckle too!
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LtRay
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posted on November 27, 2005 02:13:52 AM new
Sounds like you need to send her a nice email. Something like:
Thank you for your concern about my health.
I am wondering if you realized that worrying about actions beyond your control can be hazardous to YOUR health, especially when it concerns something an individual chooses to do in their own home?
As for feedback... I would leave a neg. Buyer was happy with purchase and shipping but felt the need to publically judge my lifestyle.
If she has her own little agenda to expose all the smokers in the world then she needs to ask before buying. Come to think of it, you said she bought a knife. Hope she doesn't cut herself with it. If she does, I'm sure it will be your fault. You evil smoke spewing dragon! 
*!*!*When your ship comes in.... make sure you are willing to unload it.*!*!*
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classicrock000
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posted on November 27, 2005 04:21:22 AM new
why would anyone put a knife up to their nose and smell it??
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cashinyourcloset
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posted on November 27, 2005 05:26:37 AM new
Go ahead, break your heart and leave her positive feedback.
It will cost you nothing, she obviously wants it, and she didn't misrepresent anything in her feedback.
What is it you're trying to prove?
As to why would you smell a knife? Some people are very sensitive to smoke smell. You said that you never claimed otherwise, but did your auction indicate that it came from a smoking household? It must have smelled enough for her to know that your household smoked; otherwise, she's psychic, and maybe if you leave a positive she'll give you the winning lottery numbers.
Claude
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NEGLUS
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posted on November 27, 2005 06:23:16 AM new
leave a positive with a comment = "buyer must have knife sniffing habit" or "buyer smells too much".. she ASKED for it 
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cblev65252
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posted on November 27, 2005 07:35:31 AM new
LOL, generalfunds, too cute. Your packing materials may have been what smelled. I have all my packing materials and boxes in a room where no one is allowed to smoke. I package everything in that room. Since I've started doing that, no one has complained. However, when the item I'm selling is from a material that will retain the smell of smoke, it's noted in my auction. BTW, one way to remove smells from your hands (like onions or garlic) is to rub your hands on a metal object like a cooking pot. So, it's unlikely that the knife itself smelled.
The only complaint I got was from a woman who bought a lot of vintage jewelry from me. She said the jewelry smelled like smoke. Since most of it was metal, I find that hard to believe. Besides, the jewelry was old and from various estate sales. It's impossible to know what the habits of their prior owners were. I doubt I would buy something at an estate sale and have the nerve to ask the family if their deceased loved one smoked. How rude would that be?
"Our lives begin to end the day we become silent about things that matter." - Martin Luther King, Jr.
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fluffythewondercat
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posted on November 27, 2005 08:26:19 AM new
Sorry Cheryl, but smoke residue clings to metal as well. Ask anyone who's ever had to deal with a lifetime smoker's estate. Cleaning that yellow-brown crap off appliances and door handles is major unfun.
I ordered some Tiffany sterling flatware from a seller in New York. When I opened the box, the reek was so strong you could almost see it.
Yes, of course, I discarded all packing materials outdoors and cleaned the flatware with warm soapy water.
It's only the second most-disgusting shipment I've ever received. The first was a set of flatware that was wrapped in USED hospital drapes, complete with dried blood and other body fluids I don't even want to think about to this day.
fLufF
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classicrock000
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posted on November 27, 2005 08:27:27 AM new
I doubt I would buy something at an estate sale and have the nerve to ask the family if their deceased loved one smoked. How rude would that be?
I would.....thats probably why they died
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classicrock000
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posted on November 27, 2005 08:30:46 AM new
"The first was a set of flatware that was wrapped in USED hospital drapes, complete with dried blood and other body fluids I don't even want to think about to this day."
so YOU'RE the one that re-sold me that flatware................I was wondering why my food tasted funny.
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cashinyourcloset
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posted on November 27, 2005 08:52:46 AM new
Cheryl,
I've always thought that it had to be stainless steel to work (rather than any metal object). I have a SS sink, and after I work with onions or garlic, I run the water and touch the bottom of the sink; the smell is gone instantly.
If you want to find out what smoke sticks to, try to clean the car of a smoker. The windshield alone can take you twenty minutes.
Claude
PS I smoked for years, then realized I was an idiot.
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ebayvet
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posted on November 27, 2005 09:03:24 AM new
I agree with cashinyourcloset, just go ahead and leave positive feedback. She left you positive. You may not like the wording, but you are lucky she did not leave neutral or negative. You state you've never claimed otherwise about being a smoking household, but did you specifically say that in the listing, or just omit that you are nonsmoking.
My personal experience with smokers is that they don't realize how bad they and their surroundings smell of smoke. I hate receiving stuff that reeks of smoke, and I've passed up on good deals to resell because the smell is just too strong.
Just leave the feedback, block the buyer if you don't like them, and no more email!
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cblev65252
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posted on November 27, 2005 09:23:35 AM new
BTW - I'm on my second day of not smoking. I'm crabby, far too sensitive and craving foods that I don't normally like. Too much like being pregnant!!
Cheryl
"Our lives begin to end the day we become silent about things that matter." - Martin Luther King, Jr.
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replaymedia
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posted on November 27, 2005 09:43:14 AM new
My latest neutral was
"Quick delivery, but the item reeked of cigarette smoke. Not good times."
True, some of my stuff is stored in a back bedroom of a smoker's home. But we're talking brand new merchandise IN THE SHRINKWRAP.
How much trouble is it to throw away the smelly shrinkwrap after you've ripped it off the box? There are radical fanatics out there on any subject.
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fluffythewondercat
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posted on November 27, 2005 09:51:56 AM new
replay: Let me give you an example.
I have a small male cat who is, sadly, mentally defective and imperfectly housebroken, so he spends most of his time outside in a protected area or confined in a room with his own litterbox. Let's say he got into my eBay things and peed on a shrinkwrapped box.
Is it therefore okay for me to send it as-is, reasoning "How hard can it be for them to just discard the stinky wrapping?"
I wouldn't even want to touch the thing. Would you?
fLufF
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Roadsmith
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posted on November 27, 2005 10:04:28 AM new
About removing the onion/garlic smell: I run water on my hands, then rub them on the stainless steel spigot. Works very well to remove that odor.
And Cheryl--Good luck with your quitting smoking! Let us know how it goes.
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Parklane64
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posted on November 27, 2005 10:44:24 AM new
Oh, good for you, Cheryl! Now you won't taste like an ashtray.
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sparkz
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posted on November 27, 2005 11:11:28 AM new
Leave her positive feedback. "I don't smoke. Knife was used to castrate a skunk".
A $75.00 solid state device will always blow first to protect a 25 cent fuse ~ Murphy's Law
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blueyes29
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posted on November 27, 2005 02:40:40 PM new
I think that if a person is so sensitive to cigarette smoke, he/she ought to ask BEFORE bidding if it's not stated in the description. It's always better to resolve issues before the auction ends...not after.
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fluffythewondercat
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posted on November 27, 2005 03:21:26 PM new
Should I ask the seller not to fart into the box right before he seals it?
fLufF
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fenix03
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posted on November 27, 2005 03:41:04 PM new
Personally - I smoke. I am unashamed of it and since I pay excessive taxes for the priviledge anyone who does not like it can kiss my happy *ss. If I am selling something that would absorb surrounding odors I'll state that it comes from a smoking home but otherwise it's none of anyones business. I assume that those who are especially sensitive will ask because their health issues are their responsibility, not mine, and if they do, I will give them an honest answer but quite frankly I'm way too tired of nit picky little cretins that think that they way have the right to judge or dictate my lifestyle because they made a purchase. Or saw that I sell something they are morally/religiously/politically opposed to (then why were you looking for it you judgemental santimonious life-challenged wench?).
Now - I'm going to the store... out of smokes and still more idiot "question from member" emails to answer.
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marcn
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posted on November 27, 2005 03:42:49 PM new
"Should I ask the seller not to fart into the box right before he seals it?"
How did you know??? Didn't you buy something from me
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toasted36
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posted on November 27, 2005 04:04:12 PM new
I received a neutral very early on in my eBay selling (great shape, just smelled of smoke. would do business with again!!!)
and have never once since then left out this line in my auctions *Please Note This Is Not A Smoke Or Pet Free Home.I get a e-mail about every 3 or 4 months from people that think its a breath of fresh air to see that I have the balls (lol) to say that in my auctions.It has not slowed my auction sales down a bit that I can tell. Haven't had a problem since .
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MAH645
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posted on November 27, 2005 04:20:48 PM new
I refuse to kiss a smoky @ss! And please don't dump your cats litter box in my package!
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ebayvet
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posted on November 27, 2005 04:28:03 PM new
"It has not slowed my auction sales down a bit that I can tell"
That is the thing, how could you tell? Sure, you may think, but how do you possibly know how many people read this, and decide not to buy? It's sort of like people who say that not accepting paypal does not affect sales, I can't see how they possibly know that! My belief is that it does have an impact.
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mcjane
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posted on November 27, 2005 08:37:05 PM new
If someone is THAT sensitive to smoke they shouldn't buy on eBay & then complain about it, specially in FB.
If you want perferction shop live.
Edited to add:
She wants FB, give her some. Negative
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fluffythewondercat
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posted on November 27, 2005 08:57:15 PM new
If you want perferction shop live.
No need; just shop, oh say...
amazon.com
barnesandnoble.com
godiva.com
harryanddavid.com
landsend.com
eddiebauer.com
llbean.com
or thousands of other online companies that DON'T send out rank-smelling merchandise and tell their customers to go screw themselves when they notice the smell.
Really, I know some of you personally and I KNOW you have better sense than this. You're trying to defend an indefensible position, as if someone were attacking the very core of your beings rather than discussing business. If you persist in this irrationality, I'm going to have to remind you about this the next time you whine about not getting bids.
fLufF
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bootclan
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posted on November 27, 2005 09:18:56 PM new
We smoke and make no apologies about it. Many non smokers have smoke paranoia. No matter where they go or what they do they think they smell smoke.. Sure, go to Amazon ect. The reason people shop Ebay is because they are buying the same product for a fraction of the price. Sales are good and our product and selling enviroment is sparkling clean. We as smokers are as clean or cleaner than most most people, believe it or not.
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LtRay
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posted on November 27, 2005 09:50:19 PM new
I know what you mean B.C.
I am a smoker, but I'm house-broke. I rarely smoke inside anymore. I am even paranoid about smoking in my garage since that is where I keep my packing materials.
On the other hand, I am waiting for the day someone complains about a smoky smell on one of my items. It won't be because there was a cigarette smoke smell, but because I write auctions in the den where we use the fireplace.
Sooner or later one of these paranoid non-smokers is going to cry fowl and I will gladly blast them for being such a PITA!
IMO, personal grievances should be discussed in email, not feedback!
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toasted36
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posted on November 27, 2005 10:36:19 PM new
ebayvet what I meant by "Not that I can tell" is the bids amounts are the same now as they were before I started putting that in my auctions. I'd rather lose a bidder than have to put up with "My item smelled like smoke,blah blah blah" or I'm allergic to smoke and pet hair .Just not worth a few extra bucks.
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deur1
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posted on November 27, 2005 11:17:54 PM new
If someone is THAT sensitive to smoke they shouldn't buy on eBay & then complain about it, specially in FB.
McJane-- I whole heartedly agree with you.
I do not smoke nor does my DH. I detest the smell and it is true as a non-smoker the odor left on clothing from exposure to cigarette smoke is almost intolerable.
I have bought clothing (for myself) at Dilliards for example, that reeked of perfume. Because people who do not know how to use fragrance have tried on the item.
I do wear fragrance(love it) but cologne, perfume, etc. should be applied sparingly.
HOWEVER -I do own a wash machine and know how to use it. Of course when buying at a mall, I know in advance what I am getting.
A person who is sensitive or turn off by fragrance o smoke should not pick eBay as the venue to shop. If it is a health issue they should certainly take personal responsibility to inquire before bidding.
Some want eBay prices and all their "special" needs taken care of by the seller.
After all, they probably watch those info-commercials showing how we make thousands of dollars a month, working 3 hrs
a day.
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