I was trying to determine if the perceived
immorality of Clinton would transfer
to Gore. I wonder, for example, if that
is the cause of the overwhelming vote for
Bush in the South.
posted on February 25, 2001 10:11:42 PM
I doubt it. The South votes primarily Republican in even State Assembly elections. Why would they vote Democrat in a presidential election?
[ edited by jamesoblivion on Feb 25, 2001 10:12 PM ]
posted on February 25, 2001 10:27:17 PM
Let me get this right.Inflationn was down, race relations were, ....??? employment was up, stocks were up, despite every boondoggle sent Clinton's way for eight years, EIGHT years.
Now I am supposed to feel comfortable with: 1. a man who can't breakdown, nor conjicate verbs, where they make sense.
2> Support a fool, who has no grasp of reality. Hence: If you are pro-life, how can you condenm 140-+ inmates (mostly minority) to die? Makes no sense to me, but to some of U out there, I'm sure you'll find a way for the two to jibe.
posted on February 25, 2001 10:32:45 PM
The argument can easily be turned around to ask how a pro-choice person can be against the death penalty. The simplest solution is to admit that unborn fetuses bear little to no resemblance to death row convicts and thus the issues aren't related.
posted on February 26, 2001 12:10:36 AM
That's certainly true. Condemned prisoners are live persons, fetuses are not given the breath of life by the Lord until they are born.
posted on February 26, 2001 08:21:05 AM
Bush's grammatical errors are disturbing because they're symptoms of a greater problem: the fact that he really doesn't seem to have a grasp on the issues he's trying to address, nor does he have the ability to defend his choices. (I'm not even convinced he's interested in trying to understand.) Instead of making a coherent statement, he resorts to stringing together sound bytes that have been prepared for him before he speaks publically---the recent press conference being a good example, or the debate during which he answered a direct question about income tax cuts by babbling about a strong military. An inarticulate president I can forgive. An unprepared president with the intellectual curiosity of a cabbage I cannot.
Helen, re: the south voting Republican, trust me---it's particularly frustrating being a left leaning voter in the south. Every election my friends and I run to the polls and vote Democratic (I don't blindly vote for any Democrat, but I have yet to meet a Republican I even remotely trust, with the possible exception of John McCain) and every election we watch Virginia go Republican. What happens where I live is that the city, where the bulk of academics live (I live in a small, two college town in Virginia), goes Democratic, but most of the rest of the County goes Republican. Exceptions for Virginia are cities like Arlington, which are predominantly Democratic. This is also how we wind up with idiot Senators like George Allen, or governors like Gilmore who run on an issue like ending the car tax and then wind up blowing the state budget.
posted on February 26, 2001 09:06:21 AM
I didn't vote for Dubya for governor when I lived in Texas, and I didn't vote for him for president. Everyone is being too polite, the man is stupid.
posted on February 26, 2001 09:24:36 AM
Hi Helen - No apology necessary. Your questions were interesting and polite. My replies may have been a little less concise than they could have been, it was getting rather late here and my brain was beginning to fuzz up.
My dislike of Clinton has to do with his complete lack of ethics, not his morality (or lack of).
As I said, my not voting for Gore had nothing to do with Clinton.
posted on February 26, 2001 11:04:02 AMsaabsister: Mary Matalin seems to want us to Dumbya down what we expect from our leaders.
BEAUTIFUL play on words!
Several of my good friends live in Northern Virginia---I was just up in Vienna this weekend! My friend who lives in Arlington was guardedly optimistic on election day, because the line to vote was HUGE, and he knew that Arlington traditionally went Democratic. Once again, an election day slap in the face for liberal Virginians!
HJW: [i]I would like to take Trent Lott and send him back where he belongs...in the middle of a Mississippi cow pasture...with his shoes off.[/b]
Geez, can I help you deliver him? ANYWHERE but Washington, DC!
On that note, for a bit of amusement, check out this page on Orrin Hatch's web site (forgive me--I'm not sure how to do a live link on Auctionwatch):
http://www.senate.gov/~hatch/fun.html
Is it me, or do you find it hard to associate "Orrin Hatch" with "fun"?
posted on February 26, 2001 11:21:38 AM
He reminds me of a turtle for some reason. He's a songwriter, apparently. He likes Napster too. I can relate on those ends.
posted on February 26, 2001 11:44:02 AM
I hope they pull ole Ronnie Reagan outta mothballs and run him through the meatgrinder for his pardon of Wendell, the guy that just killed, butchered, and dismembered his wife, who Ronnie pardoned for an "unknown, and questionable" reason.
Bet the repuklicans can turn a cheeck to Ronnie and ole Georgie for his illegal pardons though.
I say, yea, investigate Clinton...
But if you are gonna investigate "former" presidents, make it include ALL presidents.
posted on February 26, 2001 04:00:00 PM I've known extremely smart people who were not good at expressing themselves in public.
Being unable to express yourself in public is one thing. Stammering, stuttering, lapsing into"um" after every third word -- while not desirable in any public figure they are, at least, understandable.
The "he and her" statement is inexcusable. If our leader looks stupid, our nation looks stupid (of course, I suspect that we were already regarded as stupid for having elected Alfred E. Newman into office in the first place).
Bush's poor grammar skills make him look like one of those illiterate college athletes who are given passing grades in school even though they haven't earned them simply because a higher authority has an interest in keeping them in the game.
Which, when you think about it, is the story of Bush's life.
posted on February 26, 2001 04:26:14 PM
The public opinion seems to support that of the majority here, according to the latest ABC poll. Bush received only a 55% approval rating, the lowest for so early in a president's term since Eisenhower. I would think their impression is greatly influenced by his lack of communication. Though on second thought, he may be better served through that strategy.
posted on February 26, 2001 04:48:41 PM
My son-in-law was at a State Department meeting a couple of weeks ago when Bush was there to speak. His conclusion, to Bush's inability to speak in complete sentences, is that the tele-a-prompter shows only three and four words at a time...so he speaks in three and four word phrases. Bush's "handlers" need to work on their boy's abilty to talk in public.
posted on February 26, 2001 04:55:37 PM" I would think their impression is greatly influenced by his lack of communication."
I'm not so sure, Dan, that that lack of quality is not the basis of his appeal in this country, or that without the failing the popularity represented by the other half of the poll result would not be lower still.
I've been astounded for years that some of the most idiotic television programs remain popular while others which demand a higher level of intellectual capacity and involvement fall by the wayside.
I've decided that that truth represents a measure of the overall average quality and sophistication of the American viewer base, and my decision has been supported here in AW by the republican posters in support of dumbya.
posted on February 26, 2001 05:07:42 PM
Antiquary - according to what I read (I believe it was on the NBC news website) 53% approval rating puts him at about the same level as Clinton and Reagan when they first took office.
