This is for Sue aka deco100, a Sag with a Leo rising and Moon conjunct Neptune in Virgo who knows some astrology (hoo-ray!).
Sue, I like your chart a lot because all the elements are well represented. The Saturn cycle you mentioned is not what is causing you grief, on the money and body front, it was a transit of Uranus, and so that is where I will start.
First thing I want to do is outline the deal with money in your chart to give you some perspective of how it acts in your life. I am sure you will recognize the scene and so the point is to help you identify and understand the patterns with the result being less grief and/or panic about it.
Money is shown by Venus, and your Venus is involved in a T-square with Mars and Uranus which are both pretty hostile to it. They do protect you from boredom on the love / money front, so tip your hat to that part of it If you have been reading "Full Moon" then you know that this is lying in your chart waiting to spring to life, and it works like this...
First thing is you have Venus in Scorpio. This brings you benefit via other people's energy and hence your business. Scorpio is prone to extremes and Venus in Scorpio at various points in their life find themselves both flush or starving. Venus in Scorpio is NOT going to make it through a lifetime without a financial wipe out or two or three or four. This is part of the package.
Now add Uranus with Venus in any sign and you have sudden change, sudden reversal. Venus/Scorpio/Uranus? Try Unexpected betrayal involving love or money. Sound familiar? Factor Mars in there, and this just makes it hot and angry and fast.
So why now?
T Uranus has been in Aquarius transiting your 6th house (work and health and everyday routines).
It hit your N Mars setting off your T-square - with Uranus on the Midheaven (career) and Venus in Scorpio in the 4th, where your feelings of "security" lie and so they take a hit. That is the money part, and you see it is waiting to happen. It is always waiting to happen and when your t-square is hit by a major transit you can predict a result like this.
Before I forget - at the same time, your Leo (opposes Aquarius) rising (body) was hit by the opposition from T Uranus and the result is your leg and of course this forces change in your 6th house everyday activities....
Just FYI - T Uranus has moved into your 7th house now (away from health) but T Neptune is still there which I will get to.
Now back to this money...
Why did this happen?
Well it was not because you were bad, or living wrong or something. It was for your liberation, and I do not know WHY you needed to be freed, but I can take a stab at it. Perhaps at this point your life the rental idea is a better one. Being mostly passive you are free to pursue other things. Now I am not saying that the trauma you have suffered is pleasant, what I am suggesting is that with time you are highly likely to look back at this scene with gratitude.
I am suggesting that for two reasons. First because it is true, but secondly because you are not done with your T-square being triggered. T Neptune will bring the next challenge and so my idea here is to help you see how to align.
For example if you had known and understood up front that their was a financial shock on the horizon and understood it's purpose it may have brought you less trauma (or helped recovery time) and so I want to try to shore you up for your next hits, because they are coming. Not that you should be afraid, forget about that, but so that you can look see what is coming at ya on the horizon and meet and greet and channel.
Up next, T Neptune and I also have to cover T Saturn and Mars, so you see you are going to be busy, but you are also going to be fine and more fabulous then you can possibly imagine on the other side of this cosmic tune-up.
To be continued...
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Okay Sue, now I am going to try to sell you Neptune. Not that I think you will especially appreciate it.
Neptune is also T Aquarius and so covering the same path that the wrecking ball, I mean Uranus just took. It is next on deck, and it will set off your T-square again, (the business with Venus) and reach further, since your N Neptune is conjunct your Moon in the 2nd house (this is the stage).
Translated, this means the money, the career, health and also Mars (which btw is your "get up and go" and you can't do that with a broken leg) will be affected, as well as your Moon (home roots mother stuff) and your second house (love and money again, but more precisely your self esteem).
Okay so Neptune is not Uranus and there will not be shock involved here.
Neptune acts like fog.
Akin to someone coming and un-focusing your focus. I have been through a major Neptune transit (well two of them) and what becomes key is "faith". I described my situation to others as if I felt I were driving my car, but in such dense fog I could not determine the direction I was headed in. East? West? In a circle? I could not tell. I could also not determine my rate speed. Like when you look out the window of your car and see landmarks whizz by and so you can tell when you are going 30, or 40 or more mph. During a Neptune transit, this ability, to determine reality - is compromised.
This will be a pervasive transit, it will change virtually everything about your life, and again you will like the result, but the trip there is likely to be quite stressful. Where I have been writing "face your fear" and about Saturn, dealing with Neptune demands faith. You are likely to see more than a few things in your life erode, and I can give you a first hand example to give you an idea how this works.
I have Venus in Leo opposed by T Neptune and I have watched the source of my income (primarily Yahoo) go from being there (I was selling over $100 a day) to being *not there*.
Others may have experienced this event in this or another way, but for me is was liking watching something disintegrate right before my eyes and of course it is completely out of my hands to control.
I am barely selling at this time and find that I am unable to fret about it. I am having to trust that the money I need for whatever I need it for will come my way.
Now the NON metaphysical among us can laugh, but we have all been faced with times like this whether we identified and aligned with them or not, and you are going into this kind of time where things are going to be very unclear and for an extended period of time. I am sorry, but not matter what you do, how hard you try you will not be able to grab what is "real" without having it fade out on you in a day.
My transit is to Venus (sq Neptune on the midheaven, my career) only and it ought to be abundantly clear to everyone who has been reading, what is going on with me, but your transit will be much more pervasive, and so you can pretty much count on seeing holograms everywhere you look.
Now you should NOT let this scare you.
Neptune is the "let go and let God" transit, this is akin to embarking on a spiritual journey, and when this or that melts away, let it go and look around for what is forming in it's place. All of this will be difficult at first but it will get easier as you get used to it, and by the time it is done you will be pro and your life will be completely different than it is today and I promise you that given the choice, you would not go back for love or money.
I am going to get to Saturn and Mars next, but this is big BIG deal for you (Neptune) and will be until (brace yourself) 2006!
So, before moving on, let me give you the path out..
When anything gets too difficult, the answer, the escape route will always be via transcendence. Working hard won't bring relief. Either will screaming or running away. Things get tough and all you need to is stand right where you are at and transcend the situation and circumstances. You'll see. You will find that you have an abundance of "fairy dust", aks anesthetic. You tell yourself "this is serious" and you will be able to just zone out. Don't use drugs though. Use your imagination, contact your highest level of consciousness and everything you need will be right there.
See, on one hand it is hellish, but if you apply faith .. instant relief. The clue is to give up control. Back to my own example.
If Yahoo slips away, and my business no longer exists, then I guess there is going to be a new plot.
If I post an article on astrology and I am still writing 1000 posts and 4 months later, perhaps this is part of the new plot.
On the chance that it is, I write on faith.
If I write about astrology but I am not paid and my bills close in, then this will also erode and no doubt something else will appear.
Eventually I will run through all the holograms and be where I am going which will be real, but consider this Sue...
I am very happy right now living on hope and if I were waiting and hoping on Yahoo I think I would be in a world of hurt. (This is personal to ME, does not apply to not others). My point is that when you see things melt, and believe me you will - let 'em go and look around. The path will be laid out for you, all you need be is willing.
posted on March 2, 2001 12:40:15 PM new
Speaking of Neptune, the Pisces is talking again:
>>WASHINGTON (Reuters) - Federal Reserve (news - web
sites) Chairman Alan Greenspan (news - web sites) said on
Friday he intended to keep the world guessing on the timing and
course of interest rates moves in testimony two days ago that
disappointed already-dejected investors who were hoping for a
quick rate cut.
``I hope I was sufficiently ambiguous not to have indicated timing
of when or if we would we move,>>>>>>
posted on March 2, 2001 02:01:09 PM new
Okay Sue, shorter term now, I a working backwards, and then I have to touch on T Pluto because it is also active in your chart. Have no doubt, your life is being transformed on every level imaginable.
See why I waited to do this? You are in pivotal and profound times Sue.
I'll run through them.
T Saturn through Gemini will oppose your Sun in Sag shortly, and eventually square your Moon Neptune in Virgo.
A Saturn transit to the Sun is easy enough to interpret, it Saturn is heavy on our Sun "life energy" IOW you feel old.
In your case, I would not sweat this because you have a Natal Sun, Saturn trine which means that you easily and very naturally align with Saturn.. A contact from T Saturn to your sun sets off the natal trine (the stage) and so you may even like it. In whatever case, I would not sweat it in a "Saturn = pain in astrology" way because this is not what you are going to get.
As a matter of fact, if Saturn slows you down, ground you, one way I can see thins being to your benefit at this time, is that you will be able to touch down for a bit while living in Neptune's land of "what the hell is going on?" What I mean is that sometimes a rule or a limit is gift and this is likely how you will experience the Saturn transit to your Sun. As a matter of fact, your Sun is involved in a grand trine (with Saturn and Pluto) and so whenever it get sets off, you get prizes in whatever form. This is a natal promise waiting to happen, just like the money thing with the T-square.
When?
Your Sun is @ 3 Sag, Saturn will oppose exactly in May, but this is already coming in and you will be distinctly aware (feel far more grounded) end of April when Saturn leaves Taur and enters Gemini to oppose your Sag. It is going to be a fast pass, so look for the lesson, or the information from an authority figure and run with it, it'll pay ya.
Moon Neptune will be square by T Saturn mid / late 2002 (peak is June) and this will no doubt manifest as depression to some degree - the answer is to ride it out and appreciate that it is passing, not permanent.
Now Mars is a fast moving planet, whips around the zodiac in about 2 years (as opposed to Saturn's 28 or Pluto's 240) which puts it in a sign for approximately 2 months. Not so this year. It will hang in Sag until September which means Sagittarius will be all fired up beyond the norm. For you, it is your 4th house hotted up for the first 3 months, and this suggests a family fight. Not that you will not enjoy it Also, action at home, all things having to do with mother, and roots.
From there is will move conjunct your Mercury and so you move on to fight with the neighbors or your siblings (ruled by Mercury) and just fast hotted up communication / driving / thinking. I do think you will like this... say you have Mercury in Sag so you blurt out the truth, you will now tell more truth, harder, longer LOL
Okay.. T Pluto sq your Moon Neptune. If Neptune erodes, Pluto explodes.
Pluto sq the Moon suggests emotional upheaval. One thing Sue that I see everywhere I look is major action on the home front. MAJOR. Now I don't know if you are planning a move, but I can tell you to keep an eye on your pipes. Sounds stupid but mark my words. Pluto is things not seen, and Pluto with Moon is the plumbing in your house which equates to your deep emotion in your "self". That which you do not consider everyday makes itself be known and it is not subtle. Now this is a tough tough transit, but mitigated a bit because your N Pluto is so well aspected (part of your grand trine), but you can still expect to come face to face with the dark side. I mean people like to live in a pretty house and they do not think of the inside of their pipes and so it is a bit horrible when they blow and you get a load of what is in there. Same goes for the psyche
Anyway, there is a strong possibility of a move, or alternately major renovation. Look at what happens with your home and tie it to you emotions and also mother stuff to glean insight. When I say "renovation" I do not mean you expand the garage on your house. That would be a Jupiter expansion this where Pluto implies that something is torn down for the purpose of improvement.
Again, you should fare okay because of Pluto great condition in your chart, but I'll tell you what. Make sure you have good insurance coverage. Not to scare you - it is just that insurance companies are also Pluto (pooled money, other people's money) and when there is a contact to the Moon (and you have EVERYTHING aimed at you Moon right now) it is going to play somehow and if anyone can make it pay OFF, it's you!
(edit to add I am talking about home insurance here)
When?
Well it wants to be now, but it will have to wait.
Your Moon is @ 17 Virgo, Neptune @20 Virgo and Pluto
(transiting your 4th house - the Moon again)
is @ 15 Sag coming in, but will go Rx at 15 degrees in March and retrace earlier degrees before turning direct August 2001. Will approach your degrees end of the 2001 and early 2002. From there you will be a full year messing with it. IOW this is your early warning system.
Bottom line here is major action on the woman/mother/roots/womb/home front coming up. Everywhere you look you are going to see pregnant woman. Laugh now, I am, but you'll see.
If you decide to look deeper into astrology - check your T-square and note your Grand trine because your chart is very easy to read. Transits that set off your trine assimilate in your life with a fair amount of ease. Transits that aspect your T-square cause chaos and either way you win.
Why?
Because you're a Sag and so a seeker and you know internally that life is an adventure.
I be done. Whew!
I hope you let us know who this all plays, because it will be extraordinary Sue.
edit to clean up the last bit where I got tired..
edit again for spelling.
[ edited by VeryModern on Mar 2, 2001 05:53 PM ]
[ edited by VeryModern on Mar 2, 2001 05:56 PM ]
posted on March 2, 2001 06:43:14 PM newVM - I have been too busy to read over here since about the time you indicated you were leaving the Full Moon thread, so I was delighted today to find you back! Even more so since I have another question for you.
Ok - roughly - I have some health stuff I'm looking at here. Don't have much info at all yet, but am terrified as these issues are things that I have been ignoring for looong time. Like since my early teens.
Second thing is my work situation. I have a decision to make soon and despite the pro/con list I am still fretting myself sick over it. Added into that mess is the fact that I have my toes dipped into some political stuff here in my little town that will be decided in April.
Can you spare some guidance for me here? My only resolution for the new year was to start facing my fears...well, hell, I'm facing them, but they still scare me. And I feel as tho I always make the wrong decisions for the long run. What do the stars have to say?
I think you have my info already, but here it is again: July 20, 1965; 9:19 am; Portsmouth, VA.
I have a crabby little girl tonight, so I'm pretty much done online for the evening. Will try to pop in tomorrow if you have any questions.
BTW - I visited the web page, and it is very cool!
posted on March 2, 2001 07:20:48 PM new
I'm probably going to get flamed for this but I have to ask. Why would any logical person believe in this mysticism?
Is there any science or logical thought behind it, or is this all just for fun and not to be take seriously?
Just wondering.....
[ edited by outoftheblue on Mar 2, 2001 07:23 PM ]
posted on March 2, 2001 07:39:01 PM new
Hiya therp!
Glad to hear from you Kris, I think about you a lot.
I will be happy to take a peek, but it will be later tomorrow, soonest.
Hiya outoftheblue - I just saw your post by email.
I have studied astrology for literally 30 years and it's validity is verified to me on a daily basis.
It is not even remotely mystical. Anyone can learn to interpret a chart if they want to. It takes study though, no magic, and there is nothing but logical thought behind it.
edit because I meant to bold. I am tired, check in tomorrow - good wishes to the non-smokers on the other thread if they stop by.
outoftheblue, Seriously, Astrology is something that has been practiced for thousands of years, and I think that if you are really interested in investigating the theories behind it, you'll find plenty of information available at any public library. If you do decide to do any research on it, I'm sure that you will be able to form your own opinions quite well.
If, on the other hand, you are just asking for the purpose of arguing against the validity of the field, you'll probably be disappointed on this thread, as most of the posters here are not inclined toward argument.
therp
ubb
[ edited by therpowen on Mar 2, 2001 07:52 PM ]
I'm not in the mood to argue, with everything that's been happening lately (car problems, computer problems, earthquake, etc).
I do know the history of astrology but I don't grasp the concept of how the stars and their alignment could have any effect on my life. No offense to verymodern. She and everyone else here are entitled to their beliefs...
[ edited by outoftheblue on Mar 2, 2001 11:24 PM ]
posted on March 2, 2001 11:46:35 PM new
Hi outoftheblue!
Well - I have done absolutely no research into the "physical" theories behind Astrology, finding VeryModern's writing entertaining enough of itself, but my guess would be that it would have something to do with the interplay of the vast gravitational forces of the different planets of the solar system on the development of the brain and nervous system - much in the same way that the gravitational forces of the moon act upon the ocean to form the tides.
Of course, you have to take that for what it's worth, because, as I said, I have done no research to see if that is even considered as a factor by Astrologists.
posted on March 3, 2001 12:42:25 AM new
Mucho Gracias, VM. A lot to take in and study there! Some of these things have come to pass, some I see starting and then, of course, we have to wait and see how the rest progresses.
I had a tenant move out in the little house right behind me and I was trying to decide for over a month which house I was going to live in.
Then it came to me. I would give up the small income and keep both.So that cottage will have a computer/ebay room, a storage room, and a shipping room. My house will return to normal(if it ever was) and become a "real" house again. Small but peacefully uncluttered.
So, I feel this will be a big change for me, certainly good for my mental health, and the plans have been made before your writing. I see this remodeling, redecorating,and reorganization as my "grounding" as it will take some time for it all to come to fruition. I'm dealing here with stuff left from our B&M, stuff picked up at yard sales and auctions, stuff inherited recently,stuff, stuff and more stuff, so it's not exactly a quick job.
I will write some of the other points where you have hit the nail on the head as I read and study it more.
posted on March 3, 2001 01:20:40 AM new
Out of the blue: I can't tell you why it works, maybe in the same way the moon affects the tides and our moods and some people get sick from lack of sunshine and I don't mean lack of vitamin D. There is actually a name for it, which eludes me now, but some people are actually affected by the lack of sun in the winter.
Now newspaper astrology is mostly for fun because it only refers in generalities to your sun sign. While I wouldn't refer to it as mystical, because the facts are all there somewhere for you to find, it is a bit complicated and takes a lot of study to learn to do a chart in depth, like Very Modern does.
I guess, it's one of those things you either love or hate, but try it with an open mind and you might like it!
posted on March 3, 2001 01:58:23 AM new
The late astronomer, Carl Sagan, was very familiar with extraterrestrial planetary gravity and its effects on the Earth. He said, in so many words, that the gravitational effect on an individual by the planets typically associated with astrology was infinitesimal. He went on to point out that the gravitational field of common objects in the immediate area of a birth would be stronger than that of the planets.
Gravity does not appear to be the basis of astrological reasoning nor has it ever been offered as scientific proof of astrology's validity.
There does appear to be some aspects of science and logical progression that is applicable to the field of astrology. There is a form methodology and calculation involved. Results and conclusions can be repeated with similar results among different astrologers.
I lack the hubris to casually dismiss such an ancient belief sytem. I don't plan my life around it but I do enjoy it. I've also found that I generally tend to like people who do believe in it, probably because I'm a Scorpio.
posted on March 3, 2001 06:14:25 AM new
Good deal on the changes at home deco, and more to come. Much more.
Keep in mind your Virgo Moon behaves like a Pisces Moon due to the conjunction with Neptune so your emotional state is highly sensitized to your environment. You are constantly merging. Virgo wants the order, so I can see how this will be a big benefit.
Still, it is just the first chip, tip top of the iceberg, as these things "domestic" are due to dominate the next several years. What I mean is that all this talk about the home "today" is overkill but a year from now you will see that you are steeped in your emotional world and everything I wrote will be like "shazam!"
You is that you seem so willing and able to make things positive, I really think you will enjoy these next years as they unfold but really deco...
This is beginning of a total renovation of your home and emotion self.
When you call that plumber, smile and think of me VeryModern Space Junk
posted on March 3, 2001 06:58:47 AM new
outoftheblue - I took no offense at what you wrote, I thought it was a good question.
People who are not familiar with astrology tend to lump it in with crystal balls, people who claim psychic ability and the like, and then judge it, but in reality it is remote from those type things. It is a actually a precision instrument to the extent that people's behavior can be predicted.
The analogy I prefer is one to medicine.
A doctor can predict that your flu will last 3 or 4 days but will not be able to tell you the hour, minute, second that the illness will leave your body. Further diagnosis may be complicated by other factors -- your overall general health etc. Still, they are remarkably accurate and the reason is study and learning based on what the medical community learned prior and this is the same with astrology.
Mundane astrology, horary astrologers (dealing with inanimate objects) can predict to the hour or the minute though, and this is similar to a scientist working in a lab with a controlled environment. I am working with people, who are messy and complex, but I still claim virtually 100% accuracy.
For example the stuff I wrote for "deco" - I am outlining several years and she is NOT going to see this as 100% valid today, but 1,2, and 3 years down the road she is going to say "SOB, that chick knew what she was doing".
There is doubt NONE in my mind that this will be the case.
If I tell you that 6 months out, you will be involved in X, it is impossible to judge if that is right or wrong until you are 6 months out.
People who are aware that they are constantly in motion are few and far between, but this IS how we all live.
You are going along in your path, which is sometimes a rut and BAM there is an event. All the sudden you have new priorities. Other times changes occur in a more subtle way, but the results are as pervasive.
From a quick skim of a chart, I can readily see the what kind, why, how, and where or these events. With exhaustive work with a chart, I MAY be able to name the week, but I don't like to spend my life exhausted, and I feel the forest is the thing - not each stinkin' tree. What in on my plate in a holistic way? That is a question worth asking and answering. My bias of course. VeryModern Space Junk
posted on March 3, 2001 10:54:51 AM new
This is for the Virgo asking about health and money. I will not id you, you can claim your chart if you want to.
I had the intention to write for you after the gym today (now) and I picked up your chart, and I don't see it.
Anything significant on the health and money front. Something to warn of I mean. What I think you have is a whole lot of fear, but I can't find any reality of illness, and it works like this:
I do see Saturn in the 8th which = fear of dying.
Square your Sun (feel old, afraid of dying) but it is fear, not real.
To look further, where is the stage?
Your Natal Saturn is conjunct Neptune and your ascendent and square Venus. This is what is set off by the Saturn transit.
Now you have nebulous (Neptune) fear (Saturn) regarding your body (asc) also worry about your money (Venus) desirability (Venus) because you are aging (Saturn) and then it goes back in a circle to repeat because Venus rules your Libra rising body.
You are in a loop.
Now if you add this all together, the plot here is not illness, or a unhealthy body.
It is to consider and accept that you are aging. Take a time hack.
Just in general get a read on where you are on the continuum of your life and to make adjustments to align with how and who you would like to be, how you would like to spend the next phase of your life.
Now I suppose that this could indicate a health problem, since you ascendent is involved, but when I check the houses the Venus houses, and the body (1st) and health (6th) to confirm, and what I get is that this issue (poor health / illness) will not be in your face in the next months.
What I get is fear, and more specifically, nebulous fear, so to take it further, what you have here is a choice.
If the transit to your Sun makes you afraid for your health, afraid of dying, and you want to live longer, then you can at your option change your diet or whatever.
Contrast this to a doctor putting you on a restricted diet, do or die, and there is the difference.
Now since you have a Virgo Sun, that is naturally concerned about health, it is easy to see why a transit from Saturn (fear) especially in the 8th (death) to your Virgo Sun manifests this way, so I reiterate --- I really do not think that you do not have a physical problem, just the concern of one.
Best thing to do is let it motivate you.
Worried about your health?
Commit to improved heath even if you don't have to.
For the record, T Saturn can bring problems with the bones, joints, teeth, KNEES but you will find that the problems subside when the transit moves out.
When?
Saturn is exact sq your Sun June 2001 and so this is coming in now and then will go out and not come back (will not retrograde over your degree).
Keep in mind that it is stronger approaching and by the time the exact aspect forms you are in the thick of it, and have often come to terms, accepted and are working with the issues and so April May will be the most intense time (this timing thing is true of all transits).
Oh, and the money angle?
This is also coming up via the Saturn transit activating your Venus Saturn square.
The money is tied with love via Venus and so what you have here is the status quo (not a crisis - same as the body) unless you feel like picking up the brushes and the paint you have lying around and making an effort to see what new and different things you can do with them, but again, you don't have to.
You can do absolutely nothing and it will all pass.
OR...
You can get to work.
You can make an effort, work on becoming the person that you want to be in 5 and in 10 years as opposed to just worrying about it. If you choose this option, you will find the fear subsides and you will rapidly gain some control, as you will be working towards a goal, and hooboy, Saturn likes a goal.
See, the Venus thing in your chart... it needs work.
I am thinking that you are growing less satisfied with the status quo and so your are trying to learn (Saturn) about it so that you can rework how it works, and this will take some work, but it will work out for you if you opt to work on it.
This is most interesting. I probably should have been more specific in what I was asking, but apparently it wasn't necessary at all.
The import of the questions was because I am considering heading off in a different direction from where I am now, and was concerned about getting halfway out the limb and have it break off behind me, due to health or money difficulties.
posted on March 3, 2001 01:23:18 PM new
Okay Kris, on the political thing, you rule. Same with the career.
On the job choice, choose the position of authority, the big one, and apply same criteria to whatever the political thing is about. The thing here is that you are wholly competent (and others see this) and just afraid that you are not.
How's that go again?
You are afraid you aren't good enough.
You are wrong.
Take the position, work hard with integrity and enjoy the respect that it brings you.
In fact, your life in the arena is due to be better than you dare hope. See, what is happening is that you are being awarded what you earned already so forget about being afraid of that, although I know most people are (fear of success).
Show up, shake hands, say thank you... you know
The heath issue is real, but you are not going to die. Whatever the problem is will be both a surprise and difficult to pin down. Maybe both these at once, or one that then other, or regarding the treatment.
What I mean is that I doubt that you will get a straightforward diagnosis, take classic treatment and have expected results and be done. More like a diagnosis that you to not expect, followed by treatment that brings a surprising result which reveals that it is another problem not the one they thought and so forth. You will see this theme repeat on all levels.
I repeat. You are not going to die. Matter of fact if they tell you that you are that will be your first MIS-diagnosis.
This focus on health thing will go on for awhile, either the same problem that comes and goes and morphs, or one then another and another, and off and on, but you will have "health and diet and daily routines and habits" disrupted and on you plate to deal with for an extended time (years not months) and so best to just integrate change as it comes, and btw the changes will be visible to others, and I will explain that.
You should not take this is a negative way, because it can be pretty innocuous. I do not mean "you are sick and everyone knows it"
Here is an example out of my head.
What we need here is Neptune and Uranus + the 6th house, health and diet and daily routine and so...
Say you like to eat Prime rib hanging over the side of your plate, but one day you wake up and decide no more. You decide to become a vegetarian.
Well, this would be shocking unexpected change. Revolutionize your diet. There is the Uranus part.
Diet is the 6th house, so how about the reason?
Maybe it is because you decide animals have feelings and you can not longer eat them (Neptune)
Maybe it is because cows eat grain which takes water that we do not have enough of, and so you say "no more meat" for a humanitarian reason (Uranus)
Maybe you go the doctor and they tell you that you have a heart problem, they shock (Uranus) your heart and tell you to institute big change in your diet.
I don't know, but you get the picture here.
The rest of it is that whatever changes you make are going to have powerful and visible impact on your body because N Uranus (the stage) is conjunct your ascendent. Think "revolutionize my body" and "my future body", this is not about the past.
The other side of this, is your ascendent is what you extend out there in the world, so you are quite apt (in Virgo) to communicate.
IOW - "hey Sally, good to see you, do you know I am a vegetarian, now?" which is the part I said I would explain
See how innocuous that is?
Now the big concept here is to radically change your health routine. Where as therp can do what he wants regarding heath matters, you will in fact be dealing with issues.
If you wanna align, expect the unexpected, expect to be liberated, expect things to move fast. That is Uranus.
Neptune is harder to define - but apply the Venus example above (mine) to areas of health and...
Work to be rigid (NOT).
Expect the dissolution of old routines (Virgo stuff) and trust that there is a grand scheme, a divine purpose that will be revealed to you.
Also this is what brings the "tricky" into this. Neptune is rarely what it seems and transposed on top the 6th house what you get is nebulous illness, hard to define, mysterious or hidden and the thing with that is if one doctor doesn't know, see another.
The last thing I would add is HANG IN!
You are due for a big year, but the dread is worse than the reality by far so the smart thing to do is opt out of dreading and embrace your life.
Nothing else makes any sense.
See how logical I am
I'm heading off to bed now with an early work shift in the AM, but I gotta tell you this: the health stuff IS nebulous...and hard to define. There are a couple of little no big deal things, (carpal tunnel, hearing loss) and one biggie. The biggie is the one I am worried about, and the one that is gonna be hard to pin down.
One of the jobs IS a management position. And the political thing scares the hell out of me, but I am trying to embrace my life by getting out of my comfort zone and seeing what I am capable of when I lose the fear I have lived under all these years. I'm not so afraid of the resolution of the election, but rather the period of time leading up to it. I think I am still shellshocked after November! LOL!
I'll mull this tonight, and re-read it tomorrow. My husband is sitting here with his mouth hanging open...he is impressed. And I thank you.
posted on March 3, 2001 07:40:56 PM new
Just checking in so I can get your thread on my e mail...
Great reading, when I'm waiting for things to load.
Better than getting mad at the slowness, and very interesting reading.
As always.
Joan
posted on March 4, 2001 03:32:08 AM new
By the time I get thru writing, it will be another book, VM, and everybody will know a lot more about me than they probably want to. LOL!
Let's talk about the Venus in Scorpio because that's where you started and also it may be of interest to others with this placement or transit. You said that was the getting benefits thru the energy or work of others.
I had a happy childhood after I was adopted at the age of 3 in a 2 parent family which isn't as common nowadays as it was then and then marriage and a family, but that's pretty mundane.
Things really kicked in after I turned 50. In 1992 my aunt decided to settle my monetary inheritance on me. In 1994 I invested it in a pawn shop and rentals commercial property in Florida. A manager took over most of the work in '95 as we expanded to an antique/collectibles store in another town also eventually run by a manager. My mother passed away in the fall of '97. She had moved down here from Arizona and bought a new doublewide which we put on a corner of our property so she had her privacy and gardens and the benefits of being near as she was too "young"to go to a nursing home and to old to be left alone so far from me and my children. But I digress,I was her only heir. In 1998 I became eligible for widows benefits from the death of my first husband.In 2000 my aunt passed away. All her fortune went to charity as she had already settled that amount on me in 1992 but she left me her almost new car and all her possessions of 2 houses including antiques of her deceased husband dating back to 1900.
My cup runneth over! Next we'll talk about Uranus and how he can enter the scene and bring you back down to earth and humble you by reversals.
posted on March 4, 2001 07:55:45 AM new
Did I read that right deco?
You not only get goods of the dead, your get goods of the dead's dead, LOL!
One other bit, your Venus in Scorpio (also your Sun) is in the 4th house, which is the ending - how it all ends up so you see in the end you win.
Kris - I wanted to write a little bit more about Neptune illness.
Because symptoms fade and morph and Neptune tends to obscure, give a hidden problem there is tremendous opportunity and ability to deny reality of illness. This a dangerous game and can be likened to addiction, another Neptune ruled phenomenon.
Applicable to any addiction, but take drinking. The alcoholic denies they have a problem. The skew the count. "I only had two" when they had 4 or 6 or 8. People who suffer hide reality from themselves and others.
The anecdote for Neptune / Pisces is Virgo, which of course you have in your chart. Virgo knows the difference between 2 and 8. You can use your Virgo eagle eye to keep tabs on these kinds of tendencies because if you opt for the bliss of "problem? what problem?" the price can be very high.
posted on March 5, 2001 03:12:08 AM new
You're getting close, VM. Just add a couple more dead! I inherited from my aunt who inherited from her husband who inherited from his first wife who inherited from her family and brother (George Mann Niedecken who did commissions for Frank Lloyd Wright).So I've gotten things from people I was in no way related to or had even heard of and had to research on the webb.
Turns out this guy GMN is very well known to collectors of the prairie school and arts and crafts movement. Now things will complete the circle if/when I return these things to be sold in Chicago since most of his commissions for FLW were for homes in northern Illinois.
posted on March 5, 2001 05:19:11 AM new
Not bad deco, not bad. I have Venus in Leo and all I get is shiny hair and the ability to run in pumps!
That reminds me.
Sometimes, well often I see people out and around and I pine for their birth data. There is this gal is the gym with red hair (bad dye job) down to nearly her knees but really short in front.
Anyway, she comes in the gym and climbs on a stationary bike, hair loose and then starts peddling and simultaneously braiding her hair.
Now, she really does not seem to be preening (takes one to know one) and so wonder what her deal is because I have never seen anyone braid their hair in public, especially 3 ft long red hair. Could she just be on the go and saving time? Maybe she is a Virgo and multi-tasking.
This is her routine, not a one time deal and so I wonder.
also wondering, - junque, are you here?
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