posted on March 10, 2001 08:32:26 PM new
deco --- from the Full Moon thread..
(I am just throwing out various astrology since I know you know some)
Aspect between chart rulers show definitely when a relationship is profound..
Your Leo rising ruled by the Sun in Sag
with
his Cancer rising ruled by the Moon in Sag.
Of course the conjunction is the strongest..
Then there is his Venus in Aquarius falling in your 7th house
off and on and off and on and off and off.
more, more, more but my husband is waiting for me to watch a movie with him ("Star Fillintheblank"
You are best off to just call him "friend" and "crazy", someone that you love now and then and leave it go at that.
Does he have enough sense to bring back Leo a shiny bauble of some sort? A red car? Mustang maybe.
LOL
I will conduct myself in a professional manner.
I will conduct myself in a professional manner.
I will conduct myself in a professional manner.
I will conduct myself in a professional manner.
I will conduct myself in a professional manner.
btw which one of you are immature? ROFLMAO!!!!!! and ducking... VeryModern Space Junk
posted on March 10, 2001 08:41:59 PM new
Both(immature) at times.
Int'l is off for the very near future but the plans are being made and it involves a Gemini. March does involve a trip to Illinois and then California from here in Florida.
posted on March 11, 2001 02:38:26 AM new
VM I am absolutely in awe of your talent and dedication to Astrology. I've read every post on both threads and although a lurker mostly here, I have been shy about jumping in and asking about my chart. I'm taking a deep breath here. I would be happy to pay you. I think this is all very fascinating.
[ edited by anais on Mar 11, 2001 07:15 AM ]
posted on March 11, 2001 05:57:58 AM new
Awe? Ut oh anais. Don't say awe. You will wake up sleeping Venus in Leo, and she will start flouncing around. Didya notice my hair, she'll say? Oh brother!
I am happy to write about your chart, I can probably get to it today. You can edit out your data if you want - I have it
Cancer Sun, Capricorn Moon, Pisces rising.
Good morning deco -
I should have hung around played last night, the Star(ship Troopers) movie was so bad my husband thinks we should sue Blockbuster.
posted on March 11, 2001 06:09:47 AM new
anais - also, please feel free to post (private if you want - [email protected]) if there is something specific you want me to focus on. VeryModern Space Junk
posted on March 11, 2001 08:17:26 AM new
Ahhhh VM, Thanks so much. And you are certainly awesome, so ask about your hair, your jeans, dress or jamies!!!!! I will be excited to hear whatever you see as interesting or positive in my chart or pitfalls I should watch for. Thanks again.
posted on March 11, 2001 08:21:34 AM new
The first thing with cookiestwo is that he has a huge love of freedom from restriction.
Here is the astrology, and with this chart it is just same on top of same on top of same..
A Sag Moon can never be fenced
Mars conjunct Jupiter in Gemini opposed that Moon exasperates the situation by constantly stimulates an urge for variety of experience. Jupiter wants to GO and Mars conjunct makes the urge urgent.
This same Mars Jupiter also aspects the Sun, inflaming up an Aries Sun, (which is hot enough on it's own) and Jupiter enlarging the Ego.
Aries = ME not WE, and so what you have is Aries on steroids.
Sun (Aries) and Moon (Sag) are trine and so what you have is a GO (Sag) NOW (Aries) and I don't see much of a "brake".
Now his Venus reinforces this...
Venus in the 9th loves to travel
(deco - the more I work with astrology, the more I feel that they houses are at least as descriptive of the persons activity as the sign a planet is in, so I am basically saying that a 9th house Venus is akin to Venus in Sag)
and in Aquarius does not tolerate rules or care about what is conventional. In fact, they are destined/doomed(????) to unusual arrangement in relationship which is obviously how he has lived.
interlude..
You too of course, with Uranus ruling the 7th house, and also opposite your Venus. Now the odd arrangement suits *part* of you, but part of you is ultra bothered by this. Seems understanding this about yourself and altering your perception is going to be easier short and long term then getting cookiestwo to do anything against his will.
Here is what is giving you grief.
First, there is what I have already mentioned, the Leo wanting some kind of normalcy - to have a life others will admire and respect. This is minor by the way.
2nd, is your Moon Neptune in the 2nd / Taurus house which prefers stability and is upset when the home (Moon) is not peaceful. See, your Moon Neptune yearns for nirvana on the home front and cookiestwo - Jupiter Mars is squaring and so *constantly* inflaming - incessant pecking.
3rd, you Sun Venus in the 4th (Cancer / Cardinal) fights for control with his Aries (Cardinal) in the 10th (Capricorn, Cardinal).
What you have is two bosses, who are running the show which of course = never ending struggle to get on top.
end of interlude
So is he a total wild horse?
No. I would say that the long lasting relationship is HIS doing via Saturn ruling the 7th house, and also 10th house Sun. He is forced to act responsibly with the partner, even though this must be terrifically difficult because N Saturn is conjunct Uranus which in a way sums up his life problem.
I mean look at this Venus..
Venus in Aquarius (free) in the 9th (free) square Uranus (Way free) in the 11th house (Way free) and Uranus is in Taurus the love/Venus sign! (free)
BUT also square Saturn...
and that point is also shown multiple times...
Saturn in Taurus the love sign, (glue) sqauring Venus (glue) and Capricorn/Saturn on the 7th/Venus/love house. (glue)
Yikes!
This is a curse and a gift for him.
Without Saturn he could only tolerate relationship for 5 or maybe 6 minutes.
Because of Saturn he can commit, however intermittently thanks to Uranus.
Consider Uranus like electrical current where surges come. He makes a commitment (Saturn) and then gets a freedom surge/urge when is least expects it. The cosmic joke here is that me makes a commitment when he least expects it too!
On the Saturn return, he has Saturn and 26 Taur, Uranus @ 27 Taur and Venus @ 29 Aquarius (this is square Taur)
T Saturn is at 25 Taur today and he will be clear in April.
What seems to me to be going on here, is that his perennial dilemma with the Saturn / Uranus struggle is lit up like a Christmas Tree.
See - the independence urge is utterly fired up as outlined in the post above.
Frankly, I do not see how it could possibly be MORE acute.
Same time, Saturn is restricting freedom in just as many ways. See the Natal condition above and then add the reality that T Saturn on top...
T Saturn (big restrictive thumb) in the 11th house (freedom) conjunct (Uranus) freedom square Venus in Aquarius (freedom).
Do you feel sorry for him yet?
I do.
Go back and read all the impulses he is having to get going from the other post...
T Mars is going apply pressure to the sag Moon for the next months and SO... he either gets going OR fights (Mars) in the home (Moon) with a woman (uh,,, could it be you, lol?)..
and also...
the stage N Mars conjunct Jupiter means BIG fights in the home, with a woman.
See, he is a bit screwed here and you too via association!
Not permanently of course, but at the moment, he is mega frustrated and so ATTACK.
See, get this little bit about the Mars/Moon combo.
The Moon rules the chart, and Mars rules his Aries Sun? Could this be intense? Cha?
so blather, blather, here is the deal...
Saturn is going to move off his stuff in April and he is going to see the window and RUN not walk to get through it. As you well know, when a sag wants to leave, the only thing you can do is open the door.
Your relationship is most definitely going to change with lightning speed over this next year.
This is apparent in both charts. Hmmm... could this be part of the affinity?
Like I said before - T Uranus through your 7th activate your N Venus Uranus
combined with his
T Uranus conjunct this Aquarius Venus sq Uranus, which he will act on soon as Saturn allows.
Now are you two done for?
Of course not.
Will you divorce? Of course you will. Yes, I know that you are already divorced, but what does that have to do with anything? You will "divorce" and marry and divorce and marry repeatedly, same as always just faster cycle. See what you will both be trying to do here is revolutionize your relationship. You actually have a shared goal and that is why it will come together and stay together, so what is causing the problem is something else.
For him, current frustration, and for you all this home stuff.
Together the flare up is the Cardinal conflict.
I am the boss, no I am the boss, no I am the boss, if I kill you then I am the boss...
The other thing deco - T Mars is rocking on your Sun, so guess who is acting pretty Marsy/Aries her own self these days...?
See Mars inflamed Sag Sun is fighting and then sensitive impressional Moon Neptune in the 2nd is having to cope with the quake.
posted on March 11, 2001 08:50:01 AM new
Very good, VM. Explains a lot!
Now my question is when does transiting Saturn move into his 12th (think you said it was in the 11th house now)? I would think that would/may be when his troubles start? I guess depending on what that house planet is or what other planets might also transit at the same time?
posted on March 11, 2001 09:03:34 AM new
Maybe Scorpio Gal and I should get together. LOL. I guess being so close to the cusp I feel like Scorpio identifies me more than my Leo rising! But I guess we don't actually see ourselves always the way we are.
posted on March 11, 2001 11:38:13 AM new
Oh pulllease pipe down therp. I implore you!
That b%^%$ has caused me so much trouble.
Soon as I gain a modicum of credibility as a serious person she shows up like this is the swimsuit competition or something.
(This is an INCONJUNCT btw Silk Moth aka as not quite a train wreck, but certainly total annoyance)
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disclaimer - this really lacks polish, but it is all there... deco if you need clarification, or further questions, ask 'em!
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deco - when do his troubles start?
Well, he already has a few with this conflict, but if you are talking 12th house and self undoing, here is that deal..
T Jupiter is in Gemini now, in advance of Saturn's arrival in April.
Consequently Gemini (especially early degrees) is infused with enthusiasm and optimism which is exasperated by T Mars in Sag opposing.
This is the happy sailors bit.
Now Saturn is coming, and I would say the most sensitive of the mutables (Pisces, and probably your Sag sun in the 4th) sense this already. Again the early degrees.
It is like there is a set up forming. Your Virgo @ 17 and 20 is clear, but your 3 degree Sag Sun will be noticing the walls closing in soon.
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On what is coming up - it is pretty nasty. Saturn enters gem in April, but take a peek at August this year...
By August Jupiter has left the building and instead...
T Saturn at 12 Gemini and T Pluto opposing @ 12 Sag and T Mars @16 Sag, making it all burn.
Now Saturn and Pluto are not prone to give and Mars is always wanting to fight and so this makes me think "war" in the collective.
For people with personal planets at this degree... well, lets just say they are going to notice.
Mars Pluto wants power and Saturn says "up yours" and will not budge.
Mars Pluto cuts Saturn and Saturn denies the wound and holds his ground.
Mars Pluto have unlimited resources as far as power goes.
Saturn has remarkable staying power and is more cunning that people may imagine.
Damn!
This --- personal to your life?
Well for cookiestw0 - this is on his Mars, Jupiter opp the Moon dilemma - OW !
His best way to deal with this is apply the energy where it is - on the serve or suffer axis.
I imagine that this does not exactly suit him because it is not good BUSINESS but - I don't see much other way to get relief. Otherwise he winds up in the hospital --- confined.. you know all the 12th house undoing you are thinking about.
General to Saturn transit through the 12th there is a fear of going crazy, a fear that people think that you are crazy. The main keywords to me is HOLOGRAM FEAR and dreams are also often very bad. He will have to get in the habit of working to discern what is real and not (Saturn - your reality dissolves in the 12th house). This will be difficult because the only Virgo he has is NEPTUNE (that won't help LOL) and so he will have to look to the 6th house Sag Moon (Virgo 6th house REAL + Sag Moon TRUTH).
He will only be able to access this on occasion though because of the opposition back and forth, so this is mostly for your info.
See, when he goes to far crazy - activate the Moon to bring him back which means "TRAVEL". Put him in the car and take him somewhere. An ethnic restaurant is a quick fix.
For you, the whole business squares your Moon Neptune, and your 4th house - so see the Moon thing here that keeps coming up.
Okay - so August there is a home problem for both of you and the escape, the respite is going to come via Uranus free love which does not hurt as long as you name is, and also run to Jupiter.
Today's problem is tomorrows beautiful gift. Life is such a trip like that.
Jupiter will be in Cancer in your 11th house which brings an increase on the social front, benefit from friend.
A happy friend that cheers you up - provides a distraction and a positive perspective (how am I doing ) Look for a mother figure that knows jokes, and age is not the thing of course.
This also indicates and increased (Jupiter) need for independence (the 11th house).
Jupiter in Cancer will also trine your Venus in Scorpio same time and so I would expect that you are at EASE (trine) and HAPPY (Jupiter) with the LOVE thing (Money too) at this time, so you see it is not all dismal by a shot.
(I just realized Jupiter through the 11th - benefit from 11th house things , like astrology! )
So.. Home - ouchy, but must be endured and lots of puking up thanks to Pluto, sometimes violent, due to Mars with BIG FREEDOM being the cure, where you can run to for respite.
For cookiestwo - same thing on the Moon front and his is in the 6th house (health) and so all this stress can cause a health problem if he does not find a release. (your health looks good).
The home thing is another shared experience, so you may as well stay together even if you are apart. After all, you do like the guy and sometimes love him which is all that can be expected with Uranus / Venus. It is like loving someone and wishing otherwise because to love / attach restricts freedom. Or at least this is the case as far as Uranus is concerned.
As an aside - I have said this before, but it is my brilliant (OH NO SHE'S LOOSE, Venus) observation that the resolution for Saturn Uranus is to comprehend "freedom through commitment" so for cookiestwo - frankly, this should be a mantra for the life.
For cookiestwo - he is in for a world of hurt August or so BUT Jupiter loves the 12th house and so he will have faith, and be held up by it from one place or the other and when T Jupiter comes to his ascendent (September 2001) this will aid him also and mark a new beginning.
Bottom line - he is heading into a hailstorm (so are you) but it is doable.
Try to channel the Mars energy into taking command at HOME but not of HIM and that will solve half the problem right there.
That is job one.
here is a story I call "Vomiting Virgo Tree Killer"
I know a gal with a Virgo Moon in the 8th (pluto) and one year when Mars stationed on her Moon (giving moon, mars, pluto thing you will be dealing with) she was vomiting - violent and then found relief and you won't believe how.
She took her earthy self into the back yard of her home and started ripping up trees by the ROOTS (pluto).
See, the trees were WEED trees that had invaded her home from the neighbors yard and by God she was going to KILL them DEAD.
She has snipped the tops of the 50 then 100 then 500 little trees for two years but this one weekend she committed a mass murder on the green living things Virgo front, and soon as she got started no more vomiting...
You should have seen her back yard...
Lines where roots had been pulled up (Pluto) scarred (Mars) the turf (Virgo) and this really really needed to be done.
Sometimes, there is just no other way and you gotta let it rip. VeryModern Space Junk
posted on March 11, 2001 12:20:45 PM new
One more "Vomiting Virgo" story.
On another tranist of Mars to this 8th house Virgo Moon, she decided she was tired of the shower. Thought she smelled something and so decided to get to the root or maybe the rot of it.
Since this is Mars, she got a sledge hammer and again..
Let it rip.
Smash, BAM and she eventually is able to lift the base out of the shower stall and to her shock finds EARTH. Dark rich, fertile soil, slightly moist.
Hmmmm... she thinks. This was a bit of a shocking discovery. What has she uncovered here, anyway?
She gets this notion that perhaps someone murdered someone and then buried the body down there with the plumbing and the only way to be sure is to call a Scorpio and so she does.
heh heh heh
posted on March 11, 2001 01:33:35 PM new
well therp - she was worried.
A Virgo thing.
Scorpio comes over right away.
"Well. There it is. What do you think?"
"No one is buried in there."
"Are you sure?"
"Yes. No one is buried in there"
"Okay then.
Do you want some squash from my garden? Or some of these 7 grain muffins I baked?"
"I want you"
"Oh! But I am so busy today!"
posted on March 11, 2001 01:41:35 PM new
Silk Moth - Inconjunct is an irritation.
Tolerable.
Like two neighbors who think each other fools, but are not going to make a federal case over it, but will also never quite appreciate the each other. You have to cope. You hope they move but they never do. 30 years, 40 years - same thing.
Worse than the federal case in some ways because never any resolution. VeryModern Space Junk
posted on March 11, 2001 01:59:55 PM new
anais - I am probably not going to be able to write until tomorrow, sorry.
Your chart is unusual and I have to toss it around awhile so I don't miss the plot. Not to worry!
posted on March 11, 2001 04:39:09 PM new
VeryModern, Not at all worried! I'm grateful that you are tossing it all around. :lol I think it is amazing that you can write about all this stuff and make it all so exciting. You are truly gifted.
posted on March 11, 2001 05:19:06 PM new
Thanks for the huge compliment anais, I appreciate it.
You know what this is like for me? It is as if I have been collecting and collecting for years and years without plot or purpose, and now I turn around and get a load of what I have gathered and I am astounded. I tell one story and re-live 15 more, and it makes me happy about my life.
The double Virgo compost chick married to the Aquarian, The sex fiend Tabloid Reporter, the Scorpio who attends every funeral within 100 miles radius of her home, the place I know of where 17 out of 19 employees are Virgo, etc.etc. etc.
It is like finding out that you have paid attention in class.
posted on March 11, 2001 05:39:58 PM new
anais, let me throw this out tonight.
You do not have a trine in your chart. Not one. Now very frankly I do not think I have ever seen a natal chart without at least ONE trine and so you are famous to me and I am trying to figure out what this means.
See, I have never READ anything about a trine free natal chart either and so I really have to ponder it, and the question is large.
Like this.
Trines are a good thing, an easy thing, like artist formally known as... has the strong Grand Trine, and so the auto answer is that you are cheated, but that is too simple.
See, (Silk Moth) what is occurring to me is that deprived of trines, anais would naturally work the sextiles in your chart and I am already on record saying that they make interesting "music" (this is on the 101 thread) and so I am still thinking but feel this a question I have to resolve completely before I can write with confidence.
There is an old song about a "horse with no name" and so I have been singing about your chart today "a chart with no trine"
I do think I will untangle this but it will probably take endorphins at the gym tomorrow.
See it is a true pickle. Like a person who can't see and so develops other senses to incredible potential. This is my current wondering, but I don't like to *guess* and so will hold out for true inspired knowing and hope it shows up
posted on March 11, 2001 07:24:30 PM new
Very interesting VM. I wish I could say something to help you out. If it would help for me to write to you about my life I will. On one hand I want to apologize for throwing you a pickle and on the other hand I'm happy that I presented a challenge for you to tackle. Something tells me you strive on the challenges of life. Whatever I can do to help just let me know.
~~Anais~~
posted on March 11, 2001 07:34:24 PM new
Oh no, I've done it again!
anais - this chart I have been puzzling over has your spouse, (the July birthday) with your time / place on it. Oh brother, what a putz I am.
Sorry!
I was just going through my mail deleting and re-read your post, and so have to retract my comments.
Sorry, sorry, sorry!
I will be back tomorrow when Venus reinstates my ego. VeryModern Space Junk
I've read every post on both threads and although a lurker mostly here, I have been shy about jumping in and asking about my chart. I'm taking a deep breath here. I would be happy to pay you. I think this is all very fascinating. 
Oh brother!
You will "divorce" and marry and divorce and marry repeatedly, same as always just faster cycle. See what you will both be trying to do here is revolutionize your relationship. You actually have a shared goal and that is why it will come together and stay together, so what is causing the problem is something else.