posted on March 13, 2001 11:08:14 AM
Lurker - ^5 to you!
Here is another thing for your Virgo to consider. Re-read VM's directive to go out into the community and help others, which is something Virgo NEEDS. (I am Virgo Sun, so I know.)
Once you have come back from the depths after being kidnapped by Pluto, you know what the underworld of despair and dark secrets looks like. You've been there, you've survived, and you are in the best possible position to guide others on their own journeys up and out.
Now take that experience and help keep someone else from stagnating and maybe dying because of fear!
posted on March 13, 2001 11:18:41 AM
YEAH BABY!!!!!!!
She's rollin' Silk Moth and this matters to AWer's because she is one of our own.
This gal basically has her suitcase packed and has for months.
Shock to the heart and that dude is beating again. She is already gone.
She is Aries sq Uranus and so how fast is that?
posted on March 13, 2001 08:10:03 PM
Whew, I finally got back here VM. I am a little overwhelmed with this information and this is my first serious examination of astrology. A lot to understand here!!!
"Okay, so wherever you have Pluto in a chart, house and aspects, you can expect a "wipe out" a some point in your life, and probably more than one. It is waiting to happen and "when" is shown by the transits"
Yes!!!! I have had a few. My question is whether I can use astrology as a tool to be better equiped to handle them. Hopefully when you address my transits, I will better under the dynamic. It has always been that I experience some type of major wipe out about every 7 years.
I understand Phoenix and I know just enough about alchemy to understand your meaning. I call it the dark night of the soul. It's the same thing for me. I own my journeys so to speak and have grieved and have spent my time in the pot. I don't really want to discuss the pot experience here and I'm not even sure I could, but I know I've been there. What I need for you to discuss more when you have time is "the flower" in relationship to my chart. If you opt for the Cardinal control and leave Pluto lay - you are caught in the Grand cross and the body problems. My point is, that you really need that flower. If you can, a little more about this?
I'm not on any mailing lists but I spend a lot of time exploring the internet and read various boards and get a lot of information this way. I stay in contact with a couple of others who have fibromyalgia and I just recently changed Drs. which was a huge step for me. Friends like this are a natal promise to you, so know that you will see a renewal on this front and you will instinctively know when to go look via your Mars Neptune which I hope I have a chance to get to. I look forward to your discussion of this. I don't understand how this works.
The map was helpful. I am going to work on this. I see the conflict betweeen Virgo and Pices. It is a constant battle.
You give good love. I DO. I'm very affectionate and loving.
posted on March 14, 2001 05:59:56 AM
Good morning anais - will post on your questions first chance, it should be a little later today.
I appreciate and understand your being overwhelmed. If more questions occur - ask 'em (here or private).
I will try to write a tune up - I re-read and I see what I did. Too much blather "here" and too vague "there".
My mind has the big picture but the challenge is getting it condensed but still comprehensible and then conveyed to my fingers.
I have not really read charts like this for people - 1-2 hours consult for about 6 years. Instead I have spoke astrology with just my inner circle where I am able to have a "dialog" over a period of months and years and people are able to come to a very good understanding of themselves and the happenings and circumstances around them.
There is big message, vs little time in this format, so the questions are helpful because they give me a place to focus.
The challenge here for me is like "tell everything you know in 40 minutes" and I can't. Since I am "suffering" (overstated I admit) from blathering, it is helpful to have a list of issues I must address.
Silk Moth - note I am begging for Saturn here. Over abundance of Jupiter! I need some rules, some parameters. Too much Jupiter expansion, no Saturn control. I open my mouth and words keep coming and coming and coming..
Jupiter trine Mercury Mars - don't try this at home!
When Saturn comes to aspect my Mercury (writing) I will have better control - be able to condense. This will be more professional and it will also be work!
posted on March 14, 2001 01:12:29 PM
VM, No pressure here! I am most pleased to read what you write when the mood strikes. Do it when you feel like it. It will be better that way.
posted on March 14, 2001 01:23:04 PM
anais - I am having trouble with large-ness again. I am sorry.
Silk Moth T Jupiter is at 5 Gem, my Mercury is 9 Libra, Mars @ 16 Libra so this will get worse before it gets better. Jupiter making my thinking too broad.
anais - I was thinking about this morning. I know I need to focus and I start out there, but then it gets big on me. The painting is so big, so damn Jupiter large, it would be difficult to see yourself in it. I believe you are an inspiration
Anyway, I am working now with the hope to get the globs of paint off my brush, onto my page and then come back and to the fine work, most applicable to you personally. I just don't think I can get it to work the other way!
ps - I just saw your last post.
I figured you would take that attitude and I surely appreciate. I really don't want to complain about too many ideas.
It has it's pains, but is better than staring at a keyboard waiting for idea one. VeryModern Space Junk
posted on March 14, 2001 01:39:01 PM
see anais - I am on a machine, working out, I start out thinking about your body, and about "power" and how you might apply one to the other. I think this is something to think about, and then your mind and your spirt pops in there and then it is everyone in the gym's mind and power and then it is everyone in the Colorado, I mean the world.
Whoa Nessie!
This is why Jupiter / no Saturn spins out of control.
It is visionary though.
And means well.
And I will reduce, but I need 1/2 and 1/2, Jupiter expansion and Saturn restriction. What I have is 2/3 Jupiter and still swelling and I am trying to find Saturn in all this fat. Where fat = phat!
Silk Moth, I hope you are taking notes.
This can be one of your stories.
"And there was this astro chick with a big mouth and the T Jupiter came along and I watched it grow and grow and grow..."
LOL
I am fodder for study. I love it.
posted on March 14, 2001 02:35:47 PM
Glasses on the tip of nose, pen ready, taking notes. LOL!
Now I will always have this picture of you, cycling madly away, as visions of the entire world spin out of control above your head and Jupiter gets bigger and bigger!
posted on March 14, 2001 02:49:37 PM
Silk Moth - that's it!
I could write this or that or that or that or that or that.
It is like being in an airport with a ticket to anywhere and thinking...
Yeah. Africa. Sounds good, but what about England, or, or, or..
Anyway, I am writing now. I am thinking that there is so much in my fingertips now, if I can scribble it out, then maybe when Saturn comes I can consolidate and make a product i.e a book.
It's possible.
Jupiter rules publishing by the way.
Anyway, this gives me a bit of insight into why I have been doing part 1 and part 2 on people.
I have to stop and "print" it before it becomes too many tangents and unmanageable. It has been bad and now it is worse. The funny part is that it is still applying.
Other things... remember I wrote that I was writing on "faith". Jupiter again. "Future looks bright" LOL
posted on March 14, 2001 04:01:15 PManais, as you have read, VeryModern is teaching me as we go, and Goddess bless her, she is constantly annotating so I can follow along.
Back a page or so ago, she said to you: "To merge Virgo and Pisces - work to comprehend that you have two sets of skills, not one. You are a "more than one trick" pony."
Another, more familiar way to look at the same thing might be left brain/right brain.
I have a Virgo sun and Pisces moon. I spent the first half of my life as a Virgo (left brain, mathematical, very precise and ordered and perfectionist). I have a BS degree in geology/civil engineering and did that for 15 years. (But Pisces was hanging out even then - I minored in psychology. Told people I had rocks in my head. LOL)
Then about 10 years ago, I made a totally radical change in career.
(VM - N Uranus in the 10th house - date of change 1 Sept 1991 - T Venus conj T Mercury in 11th house Leo, plus T Uranus in 3rd house = expression and communication, right?)
I went to work for a book publisher as a writer and editor, very right-brained and creative, very Pisces. I began my career as artist and teacher, a place I still am today.
Even though I never went through the crucible that VM describes, even though my mutation was easier, I did it and lived to tell about it. And I am a MUCH happier person today than I was ten years ago.
So think of the other half of your brain coming alive and learning to work with the perfectionist side of yourself. It isn't a fight, it's support. You need both halves to be whole.
posted on March 14, 2001 04:57:21 PM
Hi Silk Moth - I just a have a minute, but re: 9/1991 and your chart.
T Neptune crossed the home/career axis (4th house) and dissolved the old. Wave bye bye,
T Jupiter conjunct Venus Pluto Mars ( an opportunity)
T Uranus that you mention is T the 3rd house, but also exact square to N Mercury - and this triggers N Uranus in the 10 house, which is a sudden career change waiting to happen.
I love Space Junk!
Also, you have a 9th house Jupiter in Gemini and so very good pick - the publishing world.
Also, just in general when the outer planets cross an angle, this is a BIG deal. The ascendent? Big deal squared. VeryModern Space Junk
posted on March 14, 2001 05:18:14 PM
One other thing to clarify...
The whole "pot" thing equates to Pluto and a process of transforming an intense or devastating experience into something you can draw from, as opposes to relating to Virgo/Pisces.
Silk Moth - your change was Uranian and Neptune and so no "pot time"
anais - your "dark night of the soul" is so much more eloquent.
I should write like that too, but have a rebel streak and can't take the street out of the kid or my sky may fall.
posted on March 14, 2001 05:36:04 PM
I thought you would get a kick out of looking at that transit chart - that's why I gave the date.
Now that I've figured out how to DO transit charts, it's a lot easier to see! (At first I would run two separate charts and then compare them by degree.) Obviously, I have a long way to go yet in interpretation, and I thank you for being patient!
posted on March 14, 2001 05:54:51 PM
Silk Moth - if you can print your chart, you can stick it in one of those plastic sleeves and then just draw the T planets on the overlay with a felt tip around the outer edge. Low tech but effective and wipes clean.
Also, an ephemeris is a "must have" tool. A book with all the planet positions listed by day. Then you have your chart and you flip in the book to see where everything was or will be and it is very fast.
You will find them 1900's and for 2000's but there is a version for 150 years (this way, one book) if you shop. 1900-2050.
One time I was on a mailing list and someone asked what kind of shape everyone's ephemeris was in.
50 love letters came back.
If you continue with astrology, it will be the most consulted and handled book in your life. Mine is crumpled, cover duct taped and still hanging off. I have had the one I use now for 20 years. Pure history.
I will be talking to someone and it's "wait a minute, where is my book?" I must have asked that 5000 times.
posted on March 15, 2001 01:33:10 PM
Beware the ides of March! Finally happened. He's antsy. I'm fighting mad and it took him 10 minutes to pack and leave in my car! If the auction calls now, everything's FUBAR, as I have nobody to deliver it to Illinois. Says he'll be back in a week. Yeah, right. Lucky if he gets there in a week(Ca).
You're right VM, my life is going to change drastically after THIS!
posted on March 15, 2001 01:51:35 PM
oh and LOL, *your car*.
The headline reads:
"Cancer man leaves in mom's car."
Please tell him I am LMAO at him
LOL!
Cheer up deco.
Everything is normal.
Great timing! Perfect even.
Wish I lived close by.
I'd come over and we could smash some ancestor stuff
If this is not funny now - come back later.
<ducking>
Just trying to cheer you up! VeryModern Space Junk
posted on March 15, 2001 02:03:54 PM
Silk I did not get a email notifying me that this thread had been posted to. Darn!!!!
I see what you're saying about left brain right brain in relationship to Pices and Virgo. I made a drastic change in my life also about 7 years ago. I quit my job as an Administrator. I was so burnt with the detail and perfectionism. I moved from Ca to New England and became an Antique Dealer. I've struggled with Pices and Virgo most of my life. Just never knew the dynamics at work. Really just thought I was a tad crazy and I've a bend towards being excentric (sp).
Thanks for yourr insight Silk. You are going to be wonderful just like your mentor, VM. I admire the ability that you two have. As I've said before, I'm in awe. so true.
Hi VM!!!!
Deco, I want to you to know that everytime my life has changed drastically, it has turned out to be a blessing. I wish you the best.
posted on March 15, 2001 02:15:28 PM
Ah, it's been a busy afternoon.Erased from the computer. Changed beds,don't need that much space anymore, he can sleep in the shed. Next, what? Clothes! Darn, there's a burn ban on in Florida. LOL!
posted on March 15, 2001 02:21:12 PM
Just as well he took off deco.
See as long as he was there, all you could do was fight. Now that he is gone, you can do anything you want.
Freedom! VeryModern Space Junk
posted on March 15, 2001 03:45:46 PM
Hi anais - here goes!
First I need to claify - regarding "wipeout"
I used this word when I was writing about Pluto. I mean wipeout as in clearing the decks - total devastation, and it would occur in 11th house arena which is your friends / associations and also your hopes and dreams.
Now, on the 7 year thing, I have no doubt that this is the case but it is related to the Saturn cycle.
Saturn is the ruler of your Sun and part of your grand cross. It has a 28 year cycle - varies to 29.5 and so hits your Grand cross ever 7 years (give or take) by transit.
A Grand Cross is not common in a chart and is considered to be both highly dynamic and difficult. I do hope that by now you have got a peek at your chart....
The grand cross is the square in red and acts like 4 parties - all inflamed by each other.
The energies that square each other piss one another off. Like Leo telling a brooding Scorpio to "lighten up, people are watching" or Scorpio laughing at how easily Leo is manipulated via their ego.
These conflicts are resolvable but only if there is motivation.
With a Grand Cross you are working with 4 squares.
The oppositions(2) are a bit more tricky to work with and the reason is simple.
A person cannot act both sides of an opposition at once and so what happens is that (example) Pisces drives, and de-values and dismisses Virgo interests or alternately - Virgo drives and criticizes Pisces.
There is an old adage in astrology that if you are hanging around someone with an opposition in their chart - if you act the qualities of one of the signs in the opposition - they will immediately slide across to oppose. It is true.
Here are stories.
I have dated a fair number of Scorpio's with Taurus Moons. (These signs oppose)
This was an "imprint" of mine (especially w/ Leo rising) and so I have quite a bit of time watching.
Anyway - this one guy (well, they all were) was an intense piece of work.
40 cigs and 25 cups a coffee and day. He was reed thin and real sharp Scorpio edge.
So he would do his stare thing, his intense thing and when it got old, I found that I could flip him to the Taurus very simply.
Cookies.
This is no #*!@.
A plate of cookies and this guy would go completely docile. He would do this kind of purr/grunt thing. Scorpio side would rather die than be comfortable - Taurus wanted petted. Don't let one find out about the other!
I have another example - Virgo Pisces.
This gal was a client from many years ago. Astrology I mean. Double Pisces but with something (Jupiter I think, I should look, but I am lazy) in Virgo.
Anyway this chick could forgive the most heinous crime. Total Pisces. Let the criminals run free.
Except guess what happened?
Her boyfriend (great guy btw) went to the store and came home with double ply toilet tissue.
She went crazy.
She literally went crazy on him.
"You stupid MF! What the H is wrong with you? I need 3 ply deluxe ultra soft" and so on and on and on.
I do not know how long he "got it" - reamed I mean, but I know that I heard about how stupid he was for a solid 20 minutes.
I was wincing.
So after about 20 minutes, I could not help myself.
I had to ask her.
"if you can forgive all those criminal - then why so hard on your lover?"
Guess what happened.
She slid back to Pisces and cried about how mean she was for the next 40 minutes.
So there you go.
Now... like I mentioned before if you just happen to be X sign, you need to learn to cultivate the qualities of the opposite sign (Virgo HAVE FAITH and Pisces DISCERN) and so having both in your chart you have what you need included in the package so the challenge then is to appreciate that there is a slide that takes place and be easy on yourself about it. Honor your rhythm. Hardly anyone does this. What they do, is act one and project the other.
Like the gal above who laments the unfeeling, intellectual world - how insensitive people are but is so wholly capable of acting her worst nightmare.
Point of all this, is that it is a huge challenge and every 7 years you get a transit from Saturn which exasperates it to say the least. There is a better way to cope - so if I forget, remind me to tell you, I am trying to print this before it swells.
So your question was - "why the flower"?
The answer is a double.
First, because the flower is pure power to heal and you have health problems.
Secondly because if you look at your chart you will see the grand cross and it is so demanding that if you do not strive to exit it, you are doomed to constant management of chaos.
See, the artist formally known as.. has to exit his Grand Trine to find a challenge.
You have the opposite problem.
You have to exit your Grand Cross to find relief!
Look at your chart and note the green triangle on the lower right that is remote from for the contraption that dominates the chart.
That is where you want to go for rest and recharge.
I am going to try to make a path there - this was step one. Identify!
Also, for the record..
The green lines (trines) that run off to the right, the 7th house...
That is your great love.
posted on March 15, 2001 05:15:11 PM
Sorry!
Green in my software - Blue in the pic...
I am referring to the trine from Jupiter Moon in the 7th to Venus in Sag.
and
Pluto sextile Mars Neptune exact conjunction setile Mercury which it trine Pluto.
That is the triangle, that is blue and on the lower left.
work!
