twinsoft
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posted on March 16, 2001 05:56:58 PM
mzales, I agree with your posts and support your right to your opinion. The procedure is shocking and only the most crass, callous individual would respond with the same old propaganda about women owning their bodies. For every abortion performed due to health concerns, there are a thousand performed on women who are looking for an easy way out.
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Borillar
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posted on March 16, 2001 06:10:56 PM
I find PBA a real Horror. I do not want to see any healthy baby aborted, but I do not want to remove a Right. I feel that if a fetus can be sustained outside of the womb, such as pre-mees are, then the mother has fewer choices.
Did you know that PBA's were sold to medical and pharmaceutical companies without the knowlege or consent of the mother? Legislation was proposed to ban sneaking the PBA behind the mother's back. Anyone ever hear what happened? Media blackout on that one.
And what about healthy, viable fetuses that were "aborted"? Any proof that the fetus was dead when removed? What if the fetus was removed intact and rushed to the pre-mee ward and it lived? What if such viable fetuses have been sold to medical and pharmaceutical companies as "non-people" since they were "never born"? Would you be shocked to learn that this is true? The media clams up on this one.
Unless the fetus is non-viable (dead) or the mother's life is in danger if birth is given, no PBA's should be allowed and laws need to be in place with oversight and enforcement to make sure that the fetus is dead and properly disposed of.
I think that issue is far different than first-trimester abortions.
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KatyD
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posted on March 16, 2001 06:13:24 PM
only the most crass, callous individual would respond with with the same old propaganda about women owning their bodies.
Oh, this statement is amazing even for you Twinsoft. If "women don't own their own bodies", care to say who does? Guess that statement pretty much sums up what you think of us chattel, eh?
KatyD
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rawbunzel
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posted on March 16, 2001 06:19:23 PM
Hi Katy-chattel! Are you in here for the warfare or the nice discussion?
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grannyfox
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posted on March 16, 2001 06:22:07 PM
Borillar,
Yes, I am aware that aborted fetuses of any gestational age are sold for medical research.
Do you know what amniocentesis is?
Do you know at what gestational age it is performed?
Fetuses are not widely considered viable until 26 weeks gestation and then only with extraordinary means.
Most PBAs are done between 20-24 weeks gestation.
ToolLady put a very good link in this thread. It has an interesting perspective from a Pro-choice stand point. I also strongly encourage everyone to read anti-PBA literature...there is ever so much more to both sides of this issue. As I said last night...it is an unfortunate circumstance in an imperfect world.
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KatyD
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posted on March 16, 2001 06:25:02 PM
Lol! Rawbunzel. Is it nuclear?  Tell me which one you pick, and that's what I'll choose!
KatyD
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Zazzie
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posted on March 16, 2001 06:27:06 PM
Twinsoft----are you helping to support any (unrelated) women who chose the hard road???
or are you just another body on a soapbox with pro-life rhetoric--get all the live births possible but once they are born they are forgotten
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rawbunzel
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posted on March 16, 2001 06:29:28 PM
Dunno KatyD. Just sitting on the fence so far. Can't decide. Warfare-nice discussion,warfare-nice discussion.
Somehow they both look like the same trap to me. 
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KatyD
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posted on March 16, 2001 06:33:38 PM
Well, you sit on the fence and think about it awhile. I need to make a Del Taco run for the kids. I'll check back later and see what you decided.
KatyD
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gravid
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posted on March 16, 2001 06:49:06 PM
It will be warfare when they find an abortion doctor with a pair of scissors stuck in the back of his head. And there are plenty of people out there ready to play that holy game atrocity for atrocity. And it almost always involves religion. The really faithful bring us Ireland - Afganistan - Bosnia....
Christian gunmen - Allah's warriors They all deserve each other.
Maybe they should just say - Hey if these other people want to kill THEIR children let them. In a couple generations we will be here and they will have destroyed their future.
[ edited by gravid on Mar 16, 2001 06:55 PM ]
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rawbunzel
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posted on March 16, 2001 07:32:41 PM
Falling off the fence
May I buy a "w" please?
ouch.
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HJW
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posted on March 16, 2001 08:37:53 PM
May I buy a K please....naa I don't think
we should go with this one.
W _ _ K _
Helen
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Hepburn
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posted on March 16, 2001 08:42:02 PM
Are we playing the game hangman? Sounds fun. Whats the clue?
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rawbunzel
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posted on March 16, 2001 08:44:41 PM
We're clueless We just play!
I think this time I'd like to buy an "N".
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HJW
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posted on March 16, 2001 08:47:28 PM
Hepburn We were playing a spelling game.
This particular word defines the prevaling
ideas posted in this thread.
But, we decided that it may not be an appropriate game under the circumstances.
Helen
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HJW
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posted on March 16, 2001 08:50:08 PM
"N" does not fit. Try an "O"
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Hepburn
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posted on March 16, 2001 08:51:25 PM
So far its W, K and N? Hmmm. Can I buy an E?
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HJW
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posted on March 16, 2001 08:52:27 PM
Now we have W _ _ K O
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gravid
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posted on March 16, 2001 08:53:04 PM
Glad I am not prevaling (or prevailing).
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rawbunzel
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posted on March 16, 2001 08:53:05 PM
I am not ready to buy a vowel yet. Right now I am just gathering letters in case I need them later.
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HJW
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posted on March 16, 2001 08:54:36 PM
Sorry, E does not fit.
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twinsoft
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posted on March 16, 2001 08:55:02 PM
KatyD, you might argue that women own their bodies. However, the living person inside is a different story. No one has the "right" to decide that a living fetus should be killed, simply because it's inconvenient for the mother.
Zazzie, I find your argument that "no one wants to care for them, so let's abort them" is just more propaganda. In some cases the fetus might not have survived. But far more often, it is a matter of "election." The woman simply doesn't want (or claims she can't care for/afford) the baby.
Frankly, "let's not bring any more babies into this cruel, overpopulated world" leaves me cold. I don't see anyone volunteering to clear out. Why be so quick to decide that babies should be killed, rather than given a chance to live the life you take for granted?
Any woman who has an abortion knows full well she is committing murder. Let her justify it any way she wishes, but there is a price to pay, in this world and the next. There can be no forgiveness without repentance, and no salvation. Repentance over the death of an infant is a terrible thing.
[ edited by twinsoft on Mar 16, 2001 08:57 PM ]
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rawbunzel
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posted on March 16, 2001 08:55:16 PM
OK,OK I've decided to buy a vowel. May I have a"A" please?
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gravid
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posted on March 16, 2001 08:56:44 PM
Save a letter for KatyD when she gets back with the _acos.
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Hepburn
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posted on March 16, 2001 08:57:08 PM
I keep getting WOOKIE in my head. Doesnt fit this thread. Or does it? Hmmmm...is there an A?
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Borillar
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posted on March 16, 2001 08:58:05 PM
QUESTION:
If you re-criminalize abortions, how will you prevent them from occuring? Concidering that before Roe v. Wade, it never stopped any woman who wanted one, even if they had to use a coathanger, how will you stop them??
No republican, no Right-To-Lifer has EVER come up with a reply. So it'll just be shoved back into the closet again: so long as we don't see it, it's ok, because we all know it's happening but no one will openly admit it. Right? Hah!
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HJW
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posted on March 16, 2001 08:58:38 PM
I'll buy a C
Now, we have, W_ C K O.
The game is O V E R .
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Hepburn
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posted on March 16, 2001 08:59:48 PM
Oh no no. The new game is titled D.E.R.A.I.L. Wanna play some more?
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rawbunzel
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posted on March 16, 2001 08:59:52 PM
Gravid, if I may be so bold as to buy a "T" for your word.
We can start a new word when Katy gets here.
Some are coming to me right now!
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Hepburn
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posted on March 16, 2001 09:01:08 PM
I invited zilvy to come play. Is it ok? To play the new game here
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