posted on October 24, 2000 05:47:54 AM new
TheWatcher1
I understand where you are coming from, but I just had the same experience, the first for me in many months, and I believe what is happening is the "flea market" mentality allowed to run wild. I have one item, in one category, selling very well, and I believe the competition got tired of trying to compete with my lower price and is trying to remove me.
That is another problem with the Neighborhood Watch. In fact on Yahoo, one person with multiple ID's can run around reporting and eliminating their competition by various complaints to NW regarding them.
This is just another problem with NW, there is no control, between the competitors and the "posse," honest sellers are caught in a vice.
I agree with most who have said it is now time to bombard Yahoo with our complaints about this NW feature which allows competitors and vigilantes to destroy the auction site.
posted on October 24, 2000 09:46:06 AM new
Thewatcher1 I have a hard time believing if 3 people thought your item was in the wrong category, that there is no truth to it. IMHO you may want to examine that more closely.
"If man were to be crossed with a cat, it would greatly improve the man, but deteriorate the cat." Mark Twain
posted on October 24, 2000 09:51:49 AM new
Let's not stoop to the "blame the victim" game. There are bozos on Yahoo, some of them with multiple IDs, who think that deadbeating is fun, leaving fake negative feedback is fun and NWing people's auctions are fun. They stop at 3 NWs because the fourth one will cause Yahoo to look at it and yahoo knows who did the NW so it might end up with the prankster getting the boot. People are blaming the posse for every NW. I believe the posse has better things to do. In my email conversations with them, I was told that they look to stop the blatant abuse, like someone with 1 or 2 items listed in 100 auctions or porn in the wrong category. The folks who are NWd for minor infractions or for nothing at all are the victims of pranksters. The problem on Yahoo is not the posse, but Yahoo's attempt to automate everything so their staff can go to sleep and ignore the abuse taking place. http://www.ygoodman.com [email protected]
posted on October 24, 2000 10:59:37 AM new
Would someone please show me where it states that an individual, or a group of people can have an auction removed for any reason? Please! GET YOUR FACTS STRAIGHT. The only person or group that can take action on any auction IS YAHOO!
If your auctions are being Neighborhood Watched with no justification, nothing will happen. How do I know? Mine have been, unjustly, AND NO ACTION WAS TAKEN BY YAHOO!
Tom, Dick and Harry can run all over Yahoo! and Neighborhood Watch all the auctions that they want to. YAHOO! MAKES THE FINAL DECISION on what to do with these auctions. If you receive an email stating that x amount of people have complained and you have made no errors, intentional or not, YAHOO WILL TAKE NO ACTION. Ignore it and relist!
The bogus information regarding this system that has been spread from Board to Board is incredible. A "Board" filled with misinformation has no value, the person who spreads misinformation, has no credibility.
posted on October 24, 2000 12:16:49 PM new
yisgood:
Sometimes I wonder if there is really a victim, in some complaints made on here. Or are there sometimes victims just trying to generate supportive comments. Maybe we should be more prudent in reading victim type stories.
It may be prudent also, in the future, to check date and time stamps, (especially EARLY morning posts). Similar posts made in the very early AM hours, close together. Text diction similarities, paragraphing that is almost identical, etc. Both comments supportive of the other, etc.
Lets make sure victims, are really victims, before we support, or comment, on these victims in any way.
posted on October 24, 2000 12:52:21 PM new
Charlie1
I didn't post for sympathy, I really don't care about sympathy, or even understanding, just stating what happened.
If stating a fact is now a problem, we can throw out the 1st Amendment.
Obviously, the "posse" wishes to rule - go for it.
I would say the best thing to do about the "posse" is either to stop talking about them and totally ignore them, and like other seekers of power, they will wan away for lack of attention, or take our complaints to Yahoo, and keep it off this board, I think they just get their sick kicks out of all the attention, and problems they can cause.
posted on October 24, 2000 01:18:45 PM new
What don't you understand when I say "I am not a Posse member"? Most of them are friends of mine. Very smart, educated, reasonable, responsible, TOS abiding Yahoo! members. You don't like the NW, that's fine. I respect that, just don't bash my friends. You and TheWatcher1 contact Yahoo! under both names, separately or together, and file your complaint(s). They will make a judgement, and decide on your comment(s). No one else can do that, but them.
There is no need to continue to bash the Posse. It is not them causing any problems. It is those who have no facts to base their comments on, that are causing problems. This crying "Wolf", is getting tiresome. I can remember, in my younger years, when the communist type mentality was plaquing the United States. It seemed then, everyone was being called a commie.
If Yahoo! thinks the NW is not working, they will stop it. So far, things have been improving, as far as spam goes. It's hard to throw out the results, when that is the reason it began, to stop such abuses in the first place. As Janandpals said, if you are doing nothing wrong, there is nothing to be concerned about. My auctions were NWed, and closed successfully anyway. No problem.
posted on October 24, 2000 02:13:31 PM new...if you are doing nothing wrong, there is nothing to be concerned about.
I'm afraid this is not the best argument you can use to convince people to support your point of view. Would you find nothing wrong with the police coming into your house at 3:00AM to look around? I guess you shouldn't, beacuse if you are doing nothing wrong, there is nothing to be concerned about.
edited... ubb
[ edited by mrpotatoheadd on Oct 24, 2000 02:14 PM ]
posted on October 24, 2000 04:27:19 PM new
JWPC states:
"I would say the best thing to do about the "posse" is either to stop talking about them and totally ignore them, and like other seekers of power, they will wan away for lack of attention, or take our complaints to Yahoo, and keep it off this board, I think they just get their sick kicks out of all the attention, and problems they can cause."
Excellent suggestion, although I believe it's been made many times before. Yes, do take it to Yahoo! - that's where it belongs. If that doesn't produce the result you want, take it back to ez board, the origin of all the misrepresentations that were brought here and elsewhere.
Just for the record, I am not here to sway anyone's opinion one way or the other. I am here to counteract the slander and untruths that have been spread from Board to Board. I brought with me some FACTS, take them or leave them, I have no further time for the games that are being played.
posted on October 24, 2000 04:33:23 PM new
mrpotatoheadd
Where are you people getting your logic from? We are talking about the NW program, not police coming into your house. A simple program to report 'possible' spam, etc. Not a police raid through the doors of your home.
If you people would just stick to the thread subject, the REAL subject, you may do much better yourself. Wondering off comparing it to things that are way out in left field, certainly doesn't bolster your opinion.
When people can not come up with interesting comments, which can be debated, they make outlandish comments about home invasion, no less. Where are we going next with this? Will you all start comparing the NW to Oklahoma's federal building?
jwpc is tired of the subject, but he just started another thread about it? He started another thread, to not talk about it anymore? Yes, we are confused about that too.
By the way, I think you picked a great ID, I like it.
posted on October 24, 2000 09:31:08 PM newCharlieOne-
If you people would just stick to the thread subject, the REAL subject, you may do much better yourself.
Sorry to trouble you- let's try something different.
From reading this thread, I've gathered that "the posse" is an anonymous group (at least, it seems that not everybody knows who they are). Why? If they are doing nothing wrong, there is nothing to be concerned about.
You made this post on October 19, 2000 11:28:30 PM
I know all of the Posse members, and they work very hard. Much harder than the nay sayers are. The 'witch hunters of 2000' need to help NW also. Like those of us who are sick of the spammers, ruining our ability to have our auctions viewed.
I took a quick look over at Yahoo, and "CharlieOne" is running no auctions, has no closed auctions and no feedback. If you are indeed running auctions at Yahoo, why are you posting here under a different id? If you are doing nothing wrong, there is nothing to be concerned about.
posted on October 25, 2000 06:45:41 AM new
Because of people like you, who intend tt use the NW for other than what it was intended. I know the TOS better than you know your own address. You can't debate the NW, so you want to go after those who defend it. I'm sure if you found my auctions, what the end result would have been.
posted on October 25, 2000 07:21:33 AM newBecause of people like you, who intend tt use the NW for other than what it was intended.
Is that so? I don't use (or intend to use) the NW. You don't know the first thing about me. What makes you think you know my intentions? I consider your comment an insult.
I know the TOS better than you know your own address.
Really? How did you determine this?
You can't debate the NW, so you want to go after those who defend it.
If you will re-read my posts, you will see I was never debating the NW, and I wasn't "going after" anybody based on their defense of it. My initial comment on this post was directed at your assertion that "beacuse if you are doing nothing wrong, there is nothing to be concerned about", and how I thought it was a poor argument to use to convince people to support your position.
I'm sure if you found my auctions, what the end result would have been.
And what result is that? If by this comment, you mean to say you think that even though you are doing nothing wrong, you do have something to be concerned about, then I believe you are contradicting yourself. Further, if you are insinuating that, were I to find your auctions, some harm would come to them, I would consider that a second insult.
posted on October 25, 2000 07:34:33 AM new
mrpotatoheadd:
"Is that so? I don't use (or intend to use) the NW."
That is your right, and I respect that. I wish you would respect the rights of those who do use it. Why didn't you go farther back in the posts on this thread? Had you done that you would have seen these comments:
jada: (posted on October 19, 2000 08:00:19 PM)
"So it's okay for you Possee members to do this, but not okay to have someone do it to you? "
The BIG difference is, I am not violating the TOS, and I'm not a Posse member anyway.
WataruMurofushi: (posted on October 19, 2000 08:29:11 PM)
"They must remain hidden in order to be free from the same attacks that they are doing to others!"
These comments do not pertain to me, as I've said many times, I am not a member of the Posse. Just a supporter, but it's obvious here what the message was.
Why do all of you attack the words of supporters? Or seek to find the seller IDs of same? What does that have to do with the NW? Supporters are not the subject, the NW program is the subject. I guess the election year campaign smeering tactics has come to AW. When you can't debate a subject, because you know nothing about it, you attack the other persons character. Some of you might be able to go help out Gore, or Bush.
EDIT: By the way, please don't twist my words in attempts to make it appear I am violating AW TOS. What you make of them is according to your interpretation, not mine. This is the same tactic used by a "member" on the Sellers Zone. Twisting words of other members.
posted on October 25, 2000 08:00:50 AM new
Well, let's see...
Why do all of you attack the words of supporters?
I only commented on one particular thought you posted. I did not "attack the words of supporters".
Or seek to find the seller IDs of same?
I looked only to see if you really believed in what you wrote:
If you are doing nothing wrong, there is nothing to be concerned about.
Based on the fact that you are hiding your identity, I have come to the conclusion that you don't really believe what you wrote (at least, as it applies to you, personally).
What does that have to do with the NW?
Nothing, actually. Considering that I was not talking about the NW in the first place, I don't find this too surprising.
Supporters are not the subject, the NW program is the subject.
Maybe your subject, but it wasn't mine. Or am I required to only talk about the subject you choose?
I guess the election year campaign smeering tactics has come to AW. When you can't debate a subject, because you know nothing about it, you attack the other persons character.
Looking at some of the things you said about me in your post at 06:45:41 AM, I'd say this is a classic case of the pot calling the kettle black.
Some of you might be able to go help out Gore, or Bush.
I suppose that's always possible.
By the way, don't twist my words in attempts to violate AW TOS. What you make of them is according to your interpretation, not mine.
I wasn't attempting to violate AW TOS- are you suggesting I was? Of course it was my interpretation- if I am wrong (as you seem to be saying), why don't you explain what it is you were really saying?
I suppose one could always ask a moderator to read your posts and see what conclusion they reach- what do you think?
posted on October 25, 2000 10:58:48 AM new
I was NW'd on several of my auctions a while back because I didn't have them in the "Correct" category. There are umpteen million categories for beanies, but this set of beanies Yahoo has yet to fix a category for. On one auction it received 9 NW reviews. Had the $#!+ scared out of me. You know what Yahoo did about it. Nothing, nada, not a thing!! I now just stick these beanies in the "Other" category, and have had no problems, and am still getting GREAT sales. I Love YAHOO!
posted on October 25, 2000 11:05:43 AM new
Bopkh: You mean the police didnt raid your house at 3 in the morning? Boy are you lucky. I heard the posse was behind the violence in the Mideast. They NWd one of Arafat's auctions and he thought Barak did it. http://www.ygoodman.com [email protected]
posted on October 25, 2000 11:13:04 AM new
mrpotatoheadd:
"That's all right, though- you only claimed to be an expert on Yahoo's TOS"
Nice try mrpotatoheadd, show me where I said "expert"? Come on, dig that one out. I'll give you a hint, it's not on this board, and Yahoo! doesn't have a board. So, where is this "expert" quote?
[ edited by CharlieOne on Oct 25, 2000 11:14 AM ]
Yahoo! didn't do anything, because nothing needed to be done. Obviously you were not violating the TOS. That's what we have been saying on here for days now. If someone NWs your auctions, and it is not justified, nothing happens. The world still turns.
I can tell you this for a certainty, it would not be the group some are complaining about on here. Nine NWs is not necessary. You may have your competitors placing NWs on your auctions, or a retaliatory buyer.
posted on October 25, 2000 11:38:17 AM newCharlieOne, I think mrpotatoheadd is claiming to be an "expert" on knowing his address, therefore....
But mrpotatoheadd does make a valid point when he more or less asks what you and "posse" members have to fear by revealing your true identity.
But that point could be debated (and has been beat to death, at times) throughout the whole AW community. Some members simply wish to remain anonymous, for a variety of reasons.
I don't...but I'm also aware every poster here isn't male, 6'5", and 300+ pounds, like I am. Nor do they have a 130 lb German Shepherd within their doors...or other various forms of protective devices at their disposal. I respect everyone's right to make those decisions.
Also, of course, we know that there are far more harassing methods than NW to affect our auctions, if a "person" really desires to do that.
George
Posse legend of the day:
The posse kidnapped Elvis and has held him hostage for many years, forcing him to perform private concerts for posse members only! "The King" is NOT dead!
It's easy to "knock" a program....a lot harder to come up with a BETTER solution.
posted on October 25, 2000 11:42:37 AM new
yisgood They’re coming to take me away HaHa HoHo HeeHee! LOL!
CharlieOne: I think you’re right about it being some competitors, or a retaliatory buyer. I have been doing pretty good on my auctions, and I think it could be somebody trying to slow me down. I have also had some deadbeat bidders that I’ve left negs on so they could be doing it.
posted on October 25, 2000 11:49:01 AM new
Ok! Somebody tell me what the heck those  before yisgoods name? I didn't put them there, but they are there. Makes you wanna say hmmmmmmm! LOL!
I now just stick these beanies in the "Other" category, and have had no problems, and am still getting GREAT sales. I Love YAHOO!