jlpiece
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posted on April 13, 2001 02:29:29 PM new
The silence is deafening....
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Julesy
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posted on April 13, 2001 02:42:05 PM new
How did that happen?
You double-posted the above post, and one was zapped. Is this a new courtesy being performed by the moderators?
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joice
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posted on April 13, 2001 02:47:01 PM new
Julesy,
I deleted 5 of the same post... and yes, if we see dup's we try and delete them.
Joice
[email protected]
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bunnicula
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posted on April 13, 2001 02:48:27 PM new
Maybe the echo just died away...
And, no, there is no ulterior or hidden meaning to my post. I AM becoming paranoid.
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toke
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posted on April 13, 2001 02:49:41 PM new
Hi Jules!
I've seen that happen with threads...but never a post. Things are extremely weird around here, anyway.
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Borillar
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posted on April 13, 2001 02:50:15 PM new
jlpiece: "Maybe that explains some of the scientific communities crack pot theories - they're drinking the water!
C'mon now, jlpiece, you know as well as I do that Dinosaurs were being ridden by cavemen not even 7,000 years ago . . .
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Julesy
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posted on April 13, 2001 02:51:14 PM new
Thanks, Joice. Didn't know if my eyes were playing tricks on me.
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Julesy
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posted on April 13, 2001 02:53:36 PM new
Heya Tokie! Hope you're going to relax a bit this weekend! 
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KatyD
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posted on April 13, 2001 02:53:38 PM new
Yes, Toke. Weird. And I don't even smoke the "stuff" anymore. 
KatyD
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toke
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posted on April 13, 2001 03:01:32 PM new
Ah Jules, I wish I could. Guess who's been procrastinating on the taxes? Damn. Every year, I do this!
KatyD...I sure wish I had something to smoke...think it would help?!
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KatyD
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posted on April 13, 2001 03:07:23 PM new
Immeasurably, Toke. Immeasurably.
KatyD
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jlpiece
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posted on April 13, 2001 03:38:53 PM new
Whew, sorry fro the multiple posts people, but Windows ME is acting up again! Wish I knew how to use Linux...
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jt-2007
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posted on April 13, 2001 06:18:20 PM new
The South has been dealing with this for years while other parts of the country do not listen to our cries. The color of skin has to STOP becoming an EXCUSE. You can't protect 70% of the population with "minority status" and "affifmative action" without unfairly handicapping the other 30%. You can't scream "racism" everytime you are offended. EVERY injustice is NOT based on the color of skin. The heritage of one group can not be stripped because it offends another group. All people are created EQUAL. We need to stop pampering those who cry racism the loudest.
Jackson Mississippi Study of Homicides:
"Inter-racial murders closely parallel national rates for black victims with only 5% murdered by a white offender, but four times greater for white victims with 61% murdered by a black offender."
86% of murder victims were black with 95% of those murders commited by a black offender. 96% of all murder offenders are black, 4% of murder offenders are white.
What would happen if the police shootings mirrored those statistics? Who is lynching who in the South????..or wherever...
PEACE, I cry.
Terri
Source: http://www.crimecom.org/index2.htm
[ edited by jt on Apr 13, 2001 06:20 PM ]
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jt-2007
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posted on April 13, 2001 07:02:20 PM new
Ok, I admit I was on a rant. In 4 days my heritage is at risk of being stripped from my flag.
My point was, the rest of the country is finally feeling struggles the South has had for YEARS while others (especially the media) eagerly pointed fingers.
(I think I am on the wrong thread now...)
Terri
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jlpiece
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posted on April 13, 2001 10:55:28 PM new
Very interesting points you make jt. Guess that's hard to argue with.
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brighid868
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posted on April 14, 2001 03:54:17 PM new
i work in public services here in los angeles.
violence and unrest are a highly undesirable YET highly effective way to make people listen to you. people listen even harder when innocent people are held hostage or harmed. they definitely don't get a positive view of what they are listening to. But they do listen.
witness what happens during terrorist events across the world. with the 'branch davidians'. with any other group that uses violence. previously-un-listened-to people get listened to.
i don't condone violence. I am simply stating a fact.
black leaders in los angeles had been speaking for years about the racism of los angeles police and nothing was done about it until the riots.
terrible things, selfish things, harmful things, occured during the riots but the root causes of them were completely understandable to me. Note that understand does not mean condone. i saw what was coming.
black people in cincinatti have probably been complaining for years too without getting any attention. sounds like there's been a lot of killing of people there by the police. you can't keep killing people without eventually they get just a little PO'd. that's when the stupidity starts. we all know anger makes us stupid or at least contributes to us doing stupid things.
people get tired of asking nice after awhile and do these stupid things to get attention focused on them.
the fact that the things they do (riot, loot, kill) are definitely bad things does not invalidate the fact that doing those bad things does get attention focused on them.
some, of course, don't care and just want to rob and loot and hurt people. the fact that such people are out for their own gain may be a large percentage does not invalidate the basic premise of the few: violence gets attention focused on them.
probably now, some things will change in cincinnati. that's not to say the deaths and destruction was/is worth it. however, it's just what will probably happen.
some things have changed in LA where I live after the riots. many of the things that changed were for the better. out of destruction & many people's losses came some good things.
it's unfortunate that some people will not listen until someone sets fire to something.
that's the way of the world, though, I guess.
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jlpiece
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posted on April 14, 2001 06:10:10 PM new
The funny thing is, of the 15 black men killed by police in Cincy over the last 5 years, 12 had guns either pointing at police, or shooting at police. One had a 3 foot long sword. It appears this kid was unarmed, so I have to say, I do not see how this case was justified. It was a tragedy, and someone should face criminal charges for his death.
However, when you remove the justified shootings by the police, that leaves only 2 in the last 5 years. 2 too many for sure, but not a pattern.
I would say the 47 shootings in the last 2 years here in Detroit by the police resulting in 9 deaths would certainly constitute more of a pattern... Except that in all but one the officer was black.
Guess that makes it OK...
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johncarillo
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posted on April 16, 2001 06:53:29 AM new
A cop killed someone. It should not have happened. Mob mentality took over before the incident was investigated and despite the pleas of the dead mans family. I am at a loss to understand how stealing a TV (even a HDTV) can calm the feelings of moral outrage. A voice of reason and restraint would have done more for the situation. That’s my 2 cents.
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HJW
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posted on April 16, 2001 07:34:52 AM new
Moral outrage gives rise to positive change!
Sometimes it takes a riot.
This morning, there is a press conference
on proposed changes in Cincinnati and the curfew has been lifted.
Helen
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jlpiece
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posted on April 16, 2001 09:31:16 AM new
With many more shootings and many more deaths at the hands of officers here in Detroit, why are there not riots or moral outrage? Why isn't Quasi Mfume leading protests here? Why isn't Jesse Jackson speaking out against the "horrors" perpetrated on young black men here in Detroit?
Because the black community only gets upset when they are being killed by WHITE cops.
The hypocracy in these actions of the black communities, and in particular the poverty pimps like Jesse and Al Sharpton are discusting. It sends a bad message to the black youth that it is ok when they are targeted by black cops, but not by white.
Somehow, this is supposed to help reach racial equality and harmony. "Sometimes it takes a riot", HJW I would venture to say you know nothing of the innerworkings of a riot (or the inner-city for that matter). Your comments so obviously come from the spoon fed white-bred liberal view of how you think things are. I'd love to see your oppinions after a month in Detroit. CNN is not your portal to reality.
I am, of course addressing the post and not the poster...
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HJW
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posted on April 16, 2001 10:18:57 AM new
The ignorance of the previous post is so clear that it requires no further comment.
Helen
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HJW
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posted on April 16, 2001 10:54:49 AM new
It's my opinion that police violence and murders are both functions of social inequality. As conditions in the inner city become worse
and repression by authorities increases,
violence is inevitable. And this violence
will not only be white on black but also
black on black and black on white.
Staggering levels of social inequality and police abuse directed primarily against minorities are conditions that describe virtually every major urban center. Cincinnati is not alone with this problem.
In the inner city, schools are inferior and
housing is inferior. The employment rate is
low and average salaries are significantly
lower than average.
Helen
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jlpiece
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posted on April 16, 2001 11:13:45 AM new
I thought it required no further comment.
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HJW
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posted on April 16, 2001 12:21:06 PM new
dlpiece,
It required no further comment to you but
I posted that to correct some misinformation
that you posted about me...no big deal.
Most posters here understand that you and
I are diametrically opposed on every belief
known to man.
Helen
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jlpiece
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posted on April 16, 2001 01:06:57 PM new
Tru dat.
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brighid868
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posted on April 16, 2001 11:06:23 PM new
I agree with Helen.
People who feel powerless/voiceless will eventually use violence to make themselves heard.
Notice how fast the people in charge start listening up when violence enters the picture?
That's why people use violence. Cause it works ('works' meaning that it gets attention focused on problems, not meaning that it's a positive thing in and of itself.)It makes the news.
1000 candlelight vigils and prayer meetin's wouldn't have garnered 1/10th the publicity that the riots did.
They are an effective marketing tool with some potentially serious side effects.
Start listening before people get violent next time, maybe you can avoid all this in your town.
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johncarillo
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posted on April 17, 2001 11:40:49 AM new
...another 2 cents...
If the response in Cincinnati had followed the teachings of Martin Luther King, the voice heard loud and clear could have carried a positive message. Instead, the response broadcast around the world was one that hate-mongers and separatists will use to their perceived advantage. The fact that some people will attempt to place a positive spin on a riot as a catalyst for social change is sad. Random attacks on motorists and the looting of community businesses-this will be the lasting impression for many people. Is there any way something good will come of this?
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HJW
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posted on April 17, 2001 12:38:58 PM new
johncarillo
It is sad but unfortunately, it's a
reality that violence...in this case a riot
was necessary to produce social change.
War is another example of violence used to
produce change or to maintain the status quo.
Helen
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jamesoblivion
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posted on April 17, 2001 12:47:36 PM new
Since no social change to speak of has yet been brought about as a result of the riots, save perhaps additional polarization between people, isn't it a bit too premature to call those riots necessary (not to mention that none of our property was damaged)?
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katyd
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posted on April 17, 2001 12:50:33 PM new
Is there any way something good will come of this?
Yeah, the destroyed neighborhoods will be rebuilt with tax dollars. 
Helen, sometimes I worry about you. I really do. 
KatyD
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