HJW
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posted on April 29, 2001 04:06:32 PM
So, you all believe in a eye for an eye
system of justice after all these years...
since the Bible was written.
Has no progress been made?
That's sad.
Helen
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MaddieNicks
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posted on April 29, 2001 04:07:23 PM
Didn't read responses yet - want to answer honestly without coloring from other posts.
I think lethal injection is too good for him. I think he should be subjected to the same fate he dished out - a nice lingering death, with pain from glass shards and pieces of metal blasted into his body. Too bad they can't find a building that needs demolishing, lock the SOB in a room with lots of windows (maybe chain his leg to a wall or something, so he can feel the sensation of trying to get away) and bomb it.
I don't do real hate very well. But for him...yeah. "Collateral damage" my ass.
Kris
[email protected]
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toke
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posted on April 29, 2001 04:08:40 PM
reamond You find the spirit for vengeance of the victims disturbing?
Alas, poor you. What can we do to allay your disturbance? Above all, you must not be distressed in any way.
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toke
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posted on April 29, 2001 04:10:08 PM
Indeed, Kris.
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jamesoblivion
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posted on April 29, 2001 04:11:04 PM
Helen all "an eye for an eye" means is that a proportionate punishment is meted out for a crime. I don't think disproportionate punishments in either direction is progress.
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reamond
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posted on April 29, 2001 04:13:18 PM
No sensible person punishes because a wrong has been done, but in order that a wrong may not be done. That is justice. Revenge is for the weak of mind.
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toke
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posted on April 29, 2001 04:15:19 PM
Ummm....James?
You're in the Round Table...did you forget?
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MaddieNicks
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posted on April 29, 2001 04:16:39 PM
Glad I didn't read first...I probably wouldn't have posted.
I love the Bubba idea. And I agree completely that Susan Smith ought to go the same way she killed her babies. I don't think my hard earned tax dollars should be spent feeding, housing, providing television (probably with far more channels than I have), and workout equipment for these people. Yes - there are innocents that are found guilty. That's why we have the appeals process we have --- year after year after year of dragging the victims families through hell while these people try to find a loophole. Sometimes, if they are innocent, the truth comes out and they are freed. And yes, sadly, sometimes the innocence is not determined until it is too late.
In McVeigh's case - he admits it. He continues to revel in it. And he deserves worse than a shot in the arm to put us out of his misery.
Kris
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jamesoblivion
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posted on April 29, 2001 04:17:48 PM
No Toke, why?
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toke
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posted on April 29, 2001 04:18:21 PM
Wo...reamond...
To punish in advance of the crime is...well...WAY wrong. Where were you taught your moral practice? This is scary stuff you're talking...
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reamond
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posted on April 29, 2001 04:20:25 PM
You misunderstand the post, the punishment suffered by an offender is to discourage future acts by himself or others.
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jamesoblivion
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posted on April 29, 2001 04:20:27 PM
I think Reamond is saying that the function of punishment in justice is more to be a deterant for the future, rather then a means to fix the past.
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toke
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posted on April 29, 2001 04:21:32 PM
James...
I just meant...don't be expecting logic here...
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reamond
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posted on April 29, 2001 04:22:58 PM
It is not "my" logic, it is a direct translation from Plato - hardly one to be counted as illogical.
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HJW
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posted on April 29, 2001 04:24:27 PM
James
Just cut the #*!@ and tell me what YOU
think.
Helen
can i say BS?
[ edited by HJW on Apr 29, 2001 04:25 PM ]
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jamesoblivion
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posted on April 29, 2001 04:24:37 PM
Reamond, read the posts in order. Hope that helps. 
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HJW
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posted on April 29, 2001 04:29:13 PM
This is like arguing with fundamentalist or
libertarians and I'm out of here because
I cannot speak to the individuals here as
I would like to.
You are the people who want to murder...
Not me.
I have a few other words for you but they would not pass the censor.
Carry on...
Maybe you can think of a way to return to the
days of the Roman Caesars.
Helen
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jamesoblivion
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posted on April 29, 2001 04:29:31 PM
I would say that you can say it, but I don't know if they'll letcha.
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HEPburn
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posted on April 29, 2001 04:29:56 PM
An eye for an eye. If most of the murderers in this country were punished the same way they did their victims, then maybe the prisons wouldnt be overflowing. They have shelter, food, warmth, education, television, yard exercise. And we are paying for it until they are either removed permanently, or "rehabilitated". If someone stabbed someone to death, then so should that person be done. If someone raped and killed a child, then so should he be. If someone drowns their children and stands there by the car as they scream, then so should she scream for mercy as the car she is in goes down.
Scarey am I? No, just sick of the evil that is getting worse and worse because the perpetrators know they will have a cot, food and shelter and no pain like what they dished out.
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HEPburn
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posted on April 29, 2001 04:31:56 PM
Romans, eh? Ok. How about even further?
So let it be written, so let it be done.
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toke
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posted on April 29, 2001 04:31:59 PM
Hmmmm. I believe we're suffering the onslaughts of semantics. To my mind...a punishment is for a deed done...not a deed possibly done in future. How can you punish something undone as yet? Please consider the definition of punishment.
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jamesoblivion
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posted on April 29, 2001 04:34:46 PM
My, a little judgemental aren't we, Helen? You're very assured about your own morals. Do you really think that you alone have achieved the pinacle of moral perfection -- not too extreme in either direction?
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toke
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posted on April 29, 2001 04:35:02 PM
HJW...
Who is it exactly, you are saying would like to murder? Speak up.
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mint4you
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posted on April 29, 2001 04:37:50 PM
[ edited by mint4you on Apr 30, 2001 06:27 PM ]
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jamesoblivion
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posted on April 29, 2001 04:40:21 PM
Mint4You: On the one hand you ask to leave the Bible out of this and then you say "whatever happened to an eye for an eye".
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jamesoblivion
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posted on April 29, 2001 04:41:57 PM
Furthermore, that cop wasn't trying to protect any children. He was just an obnoxious a**hole exercising enormous power.
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HEPburn
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posted on April 29, 2001 04:43:46 PM
I have to agree to some extent with mint4you. I cannot imagine the horror I would feel if someone murdered my child. If he was an adult, and was murdered, wouldnt change a thing. If I could, I would pull the lever, slam the needle home, yank the rope, turn the valve on the gas. Oh yes. In a heartbeat. But thats just me.
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HEPburn
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posted on April 29, 2001 04:46:34 PM
Im thinking the woman that got arrested for no seat belt may have done something to make the cop take her in. I dont believe it was just the seat belt thing. Unless the cop is as James suggested. Around here, no seat belt means a ticket. But if I cuss out the cop, tell him I wish he was dead, hes an A hole, go blow yourself, yadda yadda, you can bet I will be hauled off.
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heavensangel
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posted on April 29, 2001 04:47:48 PM
krs Like, at the polls?. Maybe, maybe not. Surely murdering innocent people is not the only way to bring attention to an issue. It is simply the coward's way and certainly an indication of someone with minimal intelligence.
reamond there have been many acts such as McVeigh's throughout history, however, his was an act of terrorism on American soil by an American. An unfortunate fact of life that Americans deal with terrorism thoughout the world simply because they are Americans, but to have "one of their own" perpetuate such an act right in one of their cities elicits strong emotions.
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julesY
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posted on April 29, 2001 04:48:31 PM
The DP is way more expensive than a life sentence.
The DP is not a deterrent. Look at the crime rates for Southern states that have the death penalty and USE it, like Texas. Given Dubya's propensity for drive-thru executions, why hasn't that state seen a decrease in violent crime rates?
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