posted on April 30, 2001 12:24:52 PM
Lineups are made up of people who resemble each other. Frequently cops, police administrative people, or anyone else is used. It's a visual ID, and the identifying person has no idea of any past activity of anyone up there.
mint4you,
Presumably you know what you mean with "The freedom of speech right, does not assure it will be used respectfully", but I sure don't. Sincee you addressed that remark to me, would you mind clarifying your meaning?
posted on April 30, 2001 12:31:15 PM
I know what happens during a line-up...it's Mint who I'm concerned about. Then again, Mint has me concerned about lots of things...
posted on April 30, 2001 01:04:22 PM
The police had better not. The public defender, at least, attends the lineup to see that it is not colored in any way. If it is, much of the chance of conviction if the actual perpetrator is in the lineup is gone.
Min4you, the attitudes and convictions which you express are some of the most ill informed that I have ever encountered. There is obviously no point in continuing to discuss any legalities with you, and I won't.
However, I do ask, again, that you please describe any instances of your having shed blood for any of the rights that you deny.
You may or may not know that I am a veteran, and any false representation in such areas is always of interest to me.
posted on April 30, 2001 01:33:11 PM
I thought that you said "respectfully".
mint4you,
My having asked you to clarify your own statement is within the scope of both discussion and debate. This is not purely a forum where a person can come and voice an opinion without the expectation that that opinion may be challenged either for fact or for veracity of thought. If you have believed otherwise you have labored under a misconception.
So, you have stated that you have shed your blood to protect the freedoms extant in this country. I say how so? Normally such a statement is thought to mean that a person is saying that they have been wounded in combat in war against enemies of this country. If that is what you meant, why do you show reluctance to say so? Your original statement appeared to have been made with some level of pride in the supposed fact of what you claim.
posted on April 30, 2001 07:56:36 PM
Ummm...krs...I don't think mint4you is going to answer you. Every thread I've looked at tonight all of his/her posts have been deleted.
posted on April 30, 2001 08:57:24 PM
The family has a right to revenge. Yes, that's right. Those of you who read about it in the paper can "tsk, tsk" all you want about the injustice of a life for a life. It's easy to be morally conscientious when it concerns someone else's suffering. The family has a right to revenge.
In my neck of the woods, there's a guy about to go on trial for kidnapping a little girl. He abused her for two days while she was chained in his car. He was caught purchasing a pick, shovel and some trash bags. No doubt he would have murdered the child shortly. He's also suspected in a number of other child killings. Never a better candidate for the death penalty.
McVeigh is a cold-blooded murderer. Politics has nothing to do with it. Holy war, political war, who cares? McVeigh forfeited his life.
For those who believe punishment isn't a deterrent, I'd like to watch over your shoulder while you're doing your taxes. Ya-right!
[ edited by twinsoft on Apr 30, 2001 08:59 PM ]
posted on April 30, 2001 09:07:33 PM
Taking up the mantle, twinsoft?
"The family has a right to revenge. Yes, that's right. Those of you who read about it in the paper can "tsk, tsk" all you want about the injustice of a life for a life. It's easy to be morally conscientious when it concerns someone else's suffering. The family has a right to revenge"
Are families asking for revenge? Or are you?
As you just said, it's easy to be morally conscientious and isn't that the ease you now enjoy in your post?
"In my neck of the woods, there's a guy about to go on trial for kidnapping a little girl. He abused her for two days while she was chained in his car. He was caught purchasing a pick, shovel and some trash bags. No doubt he would have murdered the child shortly. He's also suspected in a number of other child killings. Never a better candidate for the death penalty"
All of that and you don't yet know that he actually did anything? You know better than that, therefore you most be troll posting. Are you having fun, twinsoft?
posted on April 30, 2001 09:51:42 PM
Ken, you make me laugh. Do I know the guy did anything? Hmmm, let's see. Little girl escapes car, calls police. Man caught with chains in the back seat, while he's purchasing a shovel and some trash bags. Doesn't take a genius, does it? You figure it out. As for troll posting, what do you call suggesting that McVeigh might be a hero? Typical pot-stirring.
KD, you think the families want "justice?" What does that mean exactly? If some lowlife murdered your child, I doubt you would be clamoring for that criminal's swift rehabilitation. I am personally "against" the death penalty, but as I said, I believe it is the family's right to exact revenge. That is my not-so-humble opinion.
Gee, I don't know. Maybe it was that crack a few pages back about the "Isrealis." Duh.
posted on April 30, 2001 10:08:20 PM
twinsoft - I meant justice according to the law. If I lost a child in some hidious murder, I would want the person to be tortured, and to feel the same pain my child and I felt......but in my head. In reality, it would serve no real purpose but 'might' temporarily alleviate my pain level a bit.
posted on April 30, 2001 10:20:34 PM
Gee, I have chains in the back of my car, and I bought a shovel and some trash bags the last time I was at Home Depot. Twinsoft, you figure that out. Wait! I know you want help....I drive over the Sierras from time to time in the winter, and I broke the handle on the old shovel. Bet you don't know that shovels are cheaper than handles.
As to Timothy McVeigh being a hero....well, he is. Not to say that he's my hero, but some people see him as one, so he is one. I don't revere the boys at Father Serra's monument as you may well do, but I can allow that you may consider them to be heroic.
posted on April 30, 2001 10:44:31 PM
In a civilized world, we wouldn't incarcerate people to punish them for the crimes or wrongs that they have committed. Sadly, punishment is the norm, not rehabilitation.
Having said that, the death penalty, as so many others have eloquently pointed out earlier in this thread, is no more a deterrent to serious crimes than telling a smoker to stop smoking because cigarettes cause lung cancer. Does the obese person stop eating Krispy Kreme doughnuts everyday even though they know fatty foods contribute to obesity, adult-onset diabetes, hypertension or other health-affecting maladies?
Nope.
Timothy McVeigh, despite what one's emotions evoke of him, is as much entitled to say what he wants to say before he is eliminated from this planet, which will take place here shortly, in the coming weeks. You may not like it, but hey! That's one of the few Freedoms we enjoy is this country.
And for for those Christians (I feel I can say this since I profess to be one) who argue the merits of the death penalty, have you forgotten the primary tenet that Jesus taught and what seperates this religion from others? Forgiveness, not revenge, hate, uncompassion for fellow man, nor spitefulness, and please, no reference to Old Testament theology. True Christians understand that those were God's old laws and covenants.
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Badu
[ edited by Baduizm on Apr 30, 2001 10:53 PM ]
