posted on May 15, 2001 02:05:00 PM new
What always strikes me as ironic is to listen to a medical panel discussing the wonderful properties of some plants/herbs, as if it were something newduhhhhh! They seem to think THEY discovered those properties!.....Got to chuckle... I was brought up in the countryside, in France, while in hiding during the war....There were NO Doctors around. Grand'Ma treated all the children with herbs which she picked up herself alongside country roads....
The money-hungry pharmaceutical industry could REALLY strike it rich if placed control the distribution of Marijuana I am surprised it has not spoken out yet....
I am very fearful that out dear compasionate conservative administration is not going to deviate from it's lilly-white pure (Puritanical is more like it) way of thinking. Amazingly enough, Psychiatrists who handle terminal patients, or those who appear to be terminal, will recommand the use of Marijuana...
So, Borillar, first thanks for the excellent topic, and in answer to your question, I would be FLOORED if anyone's position should change on this matter.! In order to preserve the Morality of this country, it is imperative to make criminals out of those patients who would choose life over death!...After all, who in the H--L are we: only lowly TAX-PAYERS....
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Gosh Shosh!
posted on May 15, 2001 02:30:29 PM new
It seems to me that the "bottom line" is obvious.
Let's say I'm a potato farmer, and I sell my crop for around $2,000 a pound. Then some hippie troublemaker gets up and says, "I know how you can sell your crop for $1 a pound!" Later, hippie!
Illegal drugs are big money in this country, and that money doesn't all go into buying gold Cadillacs. It goes into the pockets of politicians. The last thing the AMA wants is for a helpful drug that anyone can grow in their backyard to hit the market. Goodbye research grants, goodbye sky-high prices for medicines.
I don't suffer from glaucoma or cancer, but I do smoke occasionally. It makes me mellow. Melllllooowwww!
posted on May 15, 2001 05:01:01 PM newTWIN!!! My, it's been a long time. Trusting all is well with you and the family?
Although I did smoke it (and made cookies) when I was ill, I really cannot see doing this as a recreational "hobby"...Too mellow...I would not be able to do any work But I must admit, I sure liked what it did to a Beethoven Symphony!....
Anyway, yes, you are correct...Let's not RUSH and find anything that will work too well, for, as you said, it would be "Goodbye Grants"....
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posted on May 15, 2001 05:44:11 PM new
I am borderline glaucomic. My eye doctor told me that current drugs to help the problem were contraindicated because the side effects were so powerful that the risks outweighed the benefits. Of course, I could have asked about Marijuana, but I did not as I do not want to get high like that anymore. The pharmaceutical companies do make the THC derivative, which I am considering for future use: you get the benefit, but not the high.
Concerning the idea of KDA files,the idea is to ensure public safety especially that of children.
Less than a mile from my home about
2 years ago a Woman addicted to crack left her 3 babies in a sweltering appartment that reached temps over 130.She was on a 3 day crack binge.None of the children made it.What about their civil rights?
It is only a common sense based idea
and could use some "massaging".Someone attempted to give the notion that in one breath I am for freedom but in the next I am regulating it.You need to bring some common sense regulation to some types of freedom.Drugs , guns , or anything else that could endanger public safety.Some maturity would be nice.Bringing the Nazi comment onto a common sense based idea is repulsive and seems like a copout due to the lack of a better idea.I used to do the same thing when arguing about gun control.It just makes people mad.Insead of shooting down ideas try to improve on them and make suggestions.Without that mindset you are no better than the combative partisan dipsticks in DC.
As for getting off the KDA list its very simple.Rehab for however long it takes (determined by an M.D.).Then 1 year of probation with random drug testing.Marijuana
being exempt from the tests.(Hey booze is worse I have studied them both.)Its that simple.
posted on May 15, 2001 07:55:27 PM new
I think that the THC derivative provides more massive doses of THC, which is the primary psychoactive component of marijauna, and so gives a strong dose of the "high", somewhat different from the mixed and relatively unmetered content of marijuana usage.
A significant factor in the decision is the government's official position that marijuana has no medical usage. A position driven more by political considerations than by evidence. Many politicians treat any hint of the fact that marijauna is very mild as a blasphemy which must be stamped out. Serious medical researchers tend to be very leary as there are a large number of potentially useful and potentially harmful chemicals in marijauna smoke such that the full effects cannot be pinned down as clearly as with a single chemical at a time (i.e. THC). And... as mentioned there is no money in investigating marijuana as a drug, the private drug companies have no incentive to pursue it as they won't earn any valuable patents, the government labs have other promising lines of inquiry to explore and don't need their funding cut off for blasphemy.
I have no idea of whether marijuana vs THC derivative doses have differing effects on glaucoma. But I do find the anti-nausea anecdotal evidence convincing. I know from using the stuff many years ago that marijuana is amazingly quick and effective at alieviating an upset stomach. So when, due to chemotherapy or other cause, people are suffering such nausea that they cannot keep anything down, a toke being much more effective than a pill seems very believable.
posted on May 15, 2001 10:18:25 PM newfigmente, I was advised of those facts by a news report several years ago when California was first organizing their initiative drive to legalize marijuana use. It was pointed out at the time that THC, the active psychotropic ingrediant in marijuana, was synthysized. The reporter asked several of the initiive supporters about THC vs. the real thing, and the supporters smiled and spoke up for the plant useage, since there were no "high" effects associated with sythesized THC. I thought that odd, too. Maybe you can't seperate the THC from the "high" -- I don't know enough. I enjoy natural highs and do not need artificial means to get me where I want to go.
posted on May 16, 2001 01:07:31 AM new"And please, tell the two Oakland women, innocent by-standers, who were gunned down on Mother's day, how WELL gun control works!.Tell the parents of all the children who have been gunned down IN SCHOOL, how well Gun Control works.I have seen plenty of guns exchange hands at Antiques Shows.A lethal weapon remains lethal, no matter if bought LEGALLY at a gun show or on the black market.-shosh
I hate to point this out, but the vast majority of crimes commited with guns are commited with illegally obtained guns - I've seen estimates between 72%-89%. More gun control wouldn't help that figure. How about you ask those parents of all the children gunned down in school what would have happened had the school security guards or a teacher been nearby with a gun. Their kids would probably be alive today, except they were waiting for the "cooling off" period while the shooters were, well, shooting.
"( JLPiece: please go learn the history of the Controlled Substances Act; i.e. who backed it and made sure Marijuana's place on it was a Class 1."-borillar
I didn't see Slick Willy or the democratically controlled Congress for the decades before the Republicans took over doing anything about it.
"guns are for one thing only"-kraftdinner
And what ONE thing is that?
"I am very fearful that out dear compasionate conservative administration is not going to deviate from it's lilly-white pure (Puritanical is more like it) way of thinking. "-Shosh
You do realize that the Bush Administration has nothing at all to do with this, don't you?
"As for getting off the KDA list its very simple.Rehab for however long it takes determined by an M.D.).Then 1 year of probation with random drug testing. Marijuanabeing exempt from the tests.(Hey booze is worse I have studied them both.)Its that simple."-tectah
Booze is legal though. Perhaps you would prohibit it?
"Rehab for however long it takes (determined by an M.D.)."-tectah
Ask 100 M.D.s and see how many different determinations they come up with.
I still think the Government should legalize all drugs and regulate them - let that be our tax base, not half my damn check. Put age limits on it and be done with it.
Booze is legal though. Perhaps you would prohibit it?
Does the continuity of my posts suggest
the prohibition of booze?Does my general attitude towards this subject reflect a prohibitive nature?How you could come to the conclusion that my idea included the prohibition of booze?I'm just curious as to what you were or were not thinking.
I do agree on your 100 MD's comment but would you have a better idea?Should we let these people (known drug addicts remember)
have the responsability of caring for a child?Should we let these people drive down the road hopped up on crack or whatever?
Judging the nature of some of the more critical posts it seems as if some people care more about the civil rights
of some drug addict than the safety of the public and our children.Go figure.
posted on May 16, 2001 03:46:32 PM new
Techtah, I do care for the confidentiality and civil rights of people with extremely painful illnesses who require morphine via patient controlled anagesia pumps, or Fentanyl patches to control severe pain. To you, they may be Known Drug Addicts, but to me they are teachers, police, judges, doctors, and nurses. Pain knows no boundaries.
posted on May 16, 2001 07:04:08 PM new
how distorted....
My idea for drug distrobution and the use of a KDA file system has been misunderstood.
Snowy...one more time I will try to explain the candidates for a KDA.Crackheads,
Heroin addicts , cranksters , and trippers.
The street drugs.Not morphine.Not Fentanyl.
Read my posts.
Kraft...Its always nice to advocate peoples qualifications isnt it?Well so and so has been through it all...and so and so has been
a ______ for x years.Well I have been working with Law enforcment as a consultant for 15.I have 2 college degrees and I do know what I'm talking about.And I know a group of friends trying to dominate a message board when I see one.Been there done that bought the damn t-shirt.(The posse rides on).
I will remind you of my attitude towards Mary
Jane.-----"It should be sold in the supermarkets."
My mother survived breast cancer and Lymphoma.The first thing I did was go score a lid of smoke for her and a nice glass bong.
She had never used an illegal drug in her life.She kept asking why it wasnt available as a treatment.Simple answer.Politics.
I was brought up in the countryside, in France, while in hiding during the war....There were NO Doctors around. Grand'Ma treated all the children with herbs which she picked up herself alongside country roads....
My, it's been a long time. Trusting all is well with you and the family?