posted on June 22, 2001 05:51:25 PMJL I'm going to go against my better judgement and make the generous assumption that you're not really as stupid as you appear to be. I realize that I'm extending a kindness to you that you didn't offer to me... but, hey - that's how I am.
Have you never heard of schizophrenia or dis-assoicated personalities or chemically induced psychotic episodes? Do you live in such a sterile, happy little bubble of your own creation that you can't accept that it's possible for good "normal" people to lose control of their ability to think and act rationally? The kind of psychosis that this woman seems to have suffered (based on her medication & history) has nothing whatsoever to do with mental retardation or common depression. Surely you can understand that?
I invited you to visit a psychiatric facility and in your mind you somehow compared that to time spent in prison. I'll repeat. Crawl out of your protective sugar coated little shell long enough to spend a little time volunteering at a psychiatric facility anywhere in the country. Then come back here and tell me that good, normal rational people never lose their grip on reality. The truth is that you're afraid to admit it because then you'd have to face the fact that the same thing could happen to you or anyone else. That would be too much... so, let's just take the easy way out and say she must be evil.
If you have an ounce of compassion for these children then you'll help make their deaths have some meaning and try to save the next vicitms of this kind of tragedy by waking up and facing the fact that mental illness exist - it can happen to anybody and it is past time that this country acknowledged and treated it as a serious illness...
Psychiatric hospitals are full and overflowing with people that honest to God believe that they are General Patton, who believe that God told them to burn the devil out of their children, people who believe that they can fly.
Ask yourself why you're so eager to believe that she has to be "evil" when the facts so far suggest otherwise... I suspect that she has to be evil in your mind - otherwise you would have to accept that this kind of illness can happen to anyone.
Artdoggy The fact that she called the police doesn't mean that she wasn't completely dis-associated from what she was doing. This is a legitimate illness and the kind of thing that happens even while delusional. The problem is that it's been "used" by sane criminally minded people to the extent that it seems like it must be a ruse... but, it's not.
posted on June 22, 2001 06:06:53 PM
Psychosis is losing touch with reality. A psychotic person might look at you and see a monster, or the Devil, and that is their reality. They act on their reality, not what a so called normal person perceives around them.
posted on June 22, 2001 06:26:28 PM
It has always scared me to death when someone tells me "Oh I could never hurt someone I am not that sort of person."
I have know I was capable of hurting other people and empathetic enough not to want to since I was about 8 years old. I have managed not to hurt anyone seriously all my life that did not try to use a weapon on me first, although a few jackasses sorely tempted me.
I always figure someone who can not admit they could hurt someone else to be so detached from reality that they could be one of these wackos the police find all blood splattered with a knive in their hand and asking - "My, oh my, who did all this?"
posted on June 22, 2001 06:53:42 PM
...from out of the "lurkers" corner...
Maybe I'm psychotic, too. I can't find clarity on this. Am I too much of a realist?
*thinking out loud*
If we were to back off of this emotionally...
Which would do more to raise the awareness of PPD and other dismissed psychosis?
Option 1:
Life in Prison
(Big Picture: Out of sight, Out of mind)
or
Option 2:
Lethal injection
(Big Picture: This could happen to you or someone you love.)
posted on June 22, 2001 07:39:54 PM
"JL I'm going to go against my better judgement and make the generous assumption that you're not really as stupid as you appear to be. I realize that I'm extending a kindness to you that you didn't offer to me... but, hey - that's how I am."-mybidness
Save the insults. If I had said half that I'd be suspended(again). Must be nice to be one of the special people.
"Do you live in such a sterile, happy little bubble of your own creation that you can't accept that it's possible for good "normal" people to lose control of their ability to think and act rationally?"mybidness
Aww, that's so sweet - you volunteered your precious little time to look at things from the other side of the glass. So sweet of you. I didn't volunteer my 2 1/2 years in prison, and I didn't see it from the safe side of the glass either. Sugar coated my ass, you couldn't have survived one week in there. You got to go home to your precious little house in your precious little neighborhood, and curl up in your precious little bed at the end of the night. Don't think volunteering your precious little time allowed you to understand a damn thing.
Trust me, I have seen normal people lose their grip on reality for a time, as have I. After all, I didn't get sentenced to 3-15 for being one of the beautiful people. But I did know right from wrong, and although I wouldn't change protecting my family again if I had it to do all over again, I was able to accept responsibility for an irrational act. Almost everybody in Prison can claim to have acted irrationally, and all drug addicts, etc, etc, etc. Why does that make it acceptable to you? Under your logic, (or lack thereof), nobody should be punished, because anybody would have to be mentally ill in order to commit most crimes, or at least as you so eloquently put it, "lose their grip on reality for a time".
"If you have an ounce of compassion for these children..."-mybidness
You are sick. An ounce of compassion like she had when she dragged her 7 year old son kicking and screaming back into the bathroom to slowly drown him next to his little sister? Compassion like that? That is disgusting.
Poor woman, you are so right. We should all send her some money so that she can eat well while she is brutally held against her will by an oppresive police force. You know the food in there is just awful.
posted on June 22, 2001 07:53:42 PM
And all this from someone who claims it isn't possible to lose grip with reality.
Technically I could rest my case here... but, I would like to respond to a couple of your points.
I'm not special. I said I didn't believe you were really stupid. I might lie - but, I'm not special.
Please don't assume that you know anything about me or my life... you don't.
Again, time in jail does not make you an expert in any way, shape or form as to what happens to a person with a chemical imbalance that propels them into a psychotic state. It is real. You choose to compare apples to oranges. I understand it is a lot safer that way.
It's your choice to ignore reality so, please - have a good life... I hope you don't live to see the day that it bites you in the ass.
posted on June 22, 2001 07:57:09 PM
Mybiddness and jlpiece you are both over the line. The CG's ask that you treat other members with respect. Please keep that in mind in the future.
