krs
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posted on June 26, 2001 05:11:13 AM new
rather than retire on schedule because they often have not had time to accumulated enough resources.
http://www.nytimes.com/2001/06/26/business/26RETI.html?todaysheadlines
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bobbi355
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posted on June 26, 2001 05:47:39 AM new
Just sitting here with my first cup of coffee (freshly ground beans I might add 
Gotta start working here in a few. Thanks for that interesting article krs.
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Hjw
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posted on June 26, 2001 07:34:08 AM new
All women who make a decision to marry, should consider the possibility of divorce right away and immediately plan to take care of themselves as independent individuals, financially and mentally. Relying on anything forever after, especially a man, is a a major mistake.
Refusing to drive a hard bargain, as illustrated by the woman in the article indicates an incredible lack of competence.
Helen
[ edited by Hjw on Jun 26, 2001 07:35 AM ]
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Femme
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posted on June 26, 2001 08:21:30 AM new
Limited time right now, so will register with the NY Times (finally) and read the article later.
All women who make a decision to marry, should consider the possibility of divorce right away...
I'm not quite that cynical, but I do agree that young women would be wise to plan for their personal financial future.
BBL
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caravaggio
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posted on June 26, 2001 08:34:48 AM new
All women who make a decision to marry, should consider the possibility of divorce right away and immediately plan to take care of themselves as independent individuals, financially and mentally. Relying on anything forever after, especially a man, is a a major mistake
Good point, Helen. The number one lesson every woman should learn is "Learn how to support yourself". This comes down to my favorite word, "Education". No matter when you marry you should make a point to learn some kind of skill that will support you instead of relying on a man.
[email protected]
Caravaggio/confusedandsleepy are not my names at eBay.
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Linda_K
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posted on June 26, 2001 08:50:29 AM new
A friend of mine sent this to me a long time ago. Kind of fits here, I believe.
EVERY WOMAN SHOULD HAVE:
...one old love she can imagine
going back to... and one who reminds
her how far she has come...
...[B]enough money within her
control to move out and rent a place
of her own even if she never wants
to and needs to[/B]...
...something perfect to wear if
the employer or date of her dreams
wants to see her in an hour...
...a youth she's content to
leave behind....a past juicy enough that she's looking forward to retelling it in her old age...
...[B]the realization that she is
actually going to have an old age
and some money set aside to fund it[/B]...
...a set of screwdrivers, a
cordless drill, and a black lace bra...
...one friend who always makes
her laugh... and one who lets her cry... ...a good piece of furniture
not previously owned by anyone else
in her family...
...eight matching plates, wine
glasses with stems, and a recipe
for a meal that will make her
guests feel honored...
...a resume that is not even
slightest bit padded...
...a feeling of control over her destiny...
EVERY WOMAN SHOULD KNOW...
...how to fall in love without
losing herself...
...how to quit a job, break up
with a lover, and confront a friend
without ruining the friendship...
...when to try harder... and
when to walk away...
...how to have a good time at a
party she'd never choose to attend...
...how to ask for what she
wants in a way that makes it most
likely she'll get it...
...that she can't change the
length of her calves, the width of
her hips, or the nature of her parents... ...that her childhood may not have been perfect... but it's over...
...what she would and wouldn't
do for love or more...
...how to live alone... even if
she doesn't like it...
...whom she can trust, whom she
can't, and why she shouldn't take
it personally...
. ..where to go... be it to her
best friend's kitchen table... or a
charming inn in the woods...
when her soul needs soothing...
...what she can and can't
accomplish in a day... a month... and
a year...
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krs
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posted on June 26, 2001 08:54:44 AM new
No, it doesn't fit here.
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bobbi355
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posted on June 26, 2001 08:58:07 AM new
That was a good one Linda.
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Linda_K
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posted on June 26, 2001 09:14:53 AM new
Sure it does, krs. Especially the two I tried to bold. Women should always be aware that ultimately they are responsible for themselves.
Thanks Bobbi
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kraftdinner
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posted on June 26, 2001 09:24:09 AM new
I think krs was just teasing 
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Linda_K
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posted on June 26, 2001 09:38:46 AM new
kraftdinner - krs never teases with me.
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kraftdinner
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posted on June 26, 2001 09:45:44 AM new
I think you'd be surprised at how many times he's joking when you think he's serious Linda, but that's just my opinion, of course!
I think your post was great!
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Hjw
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posted on June 26, 2001 10:14:16 AM new
kraftdinner
Just remember, never enfold his name into your interpretations of happenstance.
Helen
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Hjw
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posted on June 26, 2001 10:30:44 AM new
LoL
Linda_K
I agree with some of that!
but not all...
Helen
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ZILvy
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posted on June 26, 2001 10:51:38 AM new
The only one item I would change is;"Having a good time at a party she would never choose to attend. My idea would be to arrange to leave as gracefully as possible and not worry about it. No need to stay if you would never have chosen to attend in the first place.
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kraftdinner
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posted on June 26, 2001 10:55:29 AM new
Helen!!!
"Just remember, never enfold his name into your interpretations of happenstance."
....or else what????
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Hjw
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posted on June 26, 2001 10:59:54 AM new
kraftdinner,
Or you will get a zinger from hell. That's what!
Helen
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toke
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posted on June 26, 2001 11:03:14 AM new
Helen...
You mean he's just a little devil?
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Hjw
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posted on June 26, 2001 11:07:39 AM new
toke,
A big, big, big devil.
Helen
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Hjw
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posted on June 26, 2001 11:10:45 AM new
About Linda_K's poem,
Silk is better than lace.
That's one point on which I disagree.
Helen
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toke
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posted on June 26, 2001 11:12:22 AM new
What makes you say that?
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Hjw
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posted on June 26, 2001 11:13:11 AM new
Few others...
First, women should not define themselves from their lover's perspective, ie, "and one who reminds her how far she has come."
Not a "feeling" of control but rather
control.
..."how to ask for what she wants in a way that makes it most likely she'll get it." (implies fawning)
...that she can't change the width of her hips (not true)
Helen
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Hjw
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posted on June 26, 2001 11:16:08 AM new
toke,
Are you asking about silk or the nature of krs?
It appears that we are getting a little off topic but we can blame Linda_K for that.
Helen
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toke
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posted on June 26, 2001 11:19:07 AM new
That big, big, big devil deelybop.
I like satin...
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Hjw
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posted on June 26, 2001 11:23:20 AM new
toke LoL
deelybop I like that!
I prefer not to answer questions about deelybop because it may tend to incriminate me and I will receive yet another zinger.
whew!!!
Helen
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kraftdinner
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posted on June 26, 2001 11:41:05 AM new
Somehow, I just can't quite picture you getting a zinger from deelybop Helen...
Anyway, I think the topic all boils down to personal responsibility. We've handed most of it over to the government. Where's the line?
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toke
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posted on June 26, 2001 11:44:06 AM new
Don't worry about those zingers. If you pull them out they won't fester and the swelling will go right down.
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Hjw
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posted on June 26, 2001 11:46:57 AM new
toke
Thanks...That's what I discovered.
Helen
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SaraAW
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posted on June 26, 2001 11:47:45 AM new
Topic? Just wondering ...
Sara
[email protected]
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toke
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posted on June 26, 2001 11:47:58 AM new
Now, what was the subject?
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