networker67
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posted on September 2, 2000 02:16:48 AM
Here's a good new discussion the ones on sellers gouging on shipping are slowly starting to run on with no resolution in sight.
Sellers next time you complain about bad buyers try this. Ask yourself which one of your comrades turned this buyer into a bad buyer. Ask yourself the reason why you get 50 emails asking shipping questions is because several of your buddies have gouged so much on shippng that buyers are crossing the t's and dotting the i's. While that is on your mind let's add this.
Maybe just maybe the reason why the buyer hasn't left you any feedback is because the last three sellers he/she dealt with got their feedback and still haven't left any.
Here's another good one before you whine about my TOS says payment in 10 days. Maybe just maybe the last three people who got payment in ten days took 15 days to finally ship and the payment was by money order.
My favorite before you complain that the buyer is returning the item maybe just maybe they are tired of sellers getting away with poor descriptions, lousy pictures, blatant item misrepresentation and decide your item is the one they will exert their rights on.
Yep looks to me that with the exception of NPB complaints. 80% of seller complaints were probably caused by a fellow seller with bad business practices. So before you cry about your bad buyer imagine how he feels continously getting those bad sellers. And I know I am going to see a lot of replies about my buyers are this and my buyers are that my feedback says this my feedback says that. Here's my reply for the feedback paraders as I like to call them. Has it ever dawned on you that maybe that unhappy buyer just wanted positive feedback from you so they left you positive feedback. I bet finding that out would wreck a lot of you guys very existence on ebay.
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macandjan
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posted on September 2, 2000 04:45:25 AM
[ edited by macandjan on Dec 3, 2000 09:48 PM ]
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networker67
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posted on September 2, 2000 08:37:01 AM
macandjan - That was well said and hits right at home. The part about feelings in the face of critcism hit home to. I bet you get those scared customers you take a little extra time to make sure the deal goes right. From what I read around here ebay; has since my departure turned into I am getting mine before this well runs dry environment.
Hello sellers ever heard of preserving the venue for tomorrow. ebay doesn't have to be this fad or temporary thing. Its our attitudes about it that make it fad or lifetime thing. Many of you run around the venue like I better get all the money I can this money tree might not yield next season. Hello the tree will bear fruit next season if you stop breaking off all the branches as you pick the fruit. H
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kitsch1
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posted on September 2, 2000 08:48:45 AM
And leave the land fallow every seven years.
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reddeer
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posted on September 2, 2000 08:57:47 AM
Yawn.
98% of my transactions have been as smooth as silk on eBay.
P.S. I leave feedback the same day the funds arrive [which is the same day I ship] so if buyers really weren't happy with my service they would have no reason
[feedback hostage] not to neg me.
As a buyer & couldn't give a rats azz with regards to the shipping charges. If it's there in black & white on the auction page I simply say nay, or yay, and move on.
My main concern is the item arrives safe & sound in one piece & exactly as described in the auction listing.
I would rather have a seller tack an extra $2 on to the shipping/handling for bubble wrap & a decent box than have some penny pinching moron ship the item in a cornflakes box with a single piece of newspaper around it.
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vargas
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posted on September 2, 2000 09:06:58 AM
Networker67
Was this your eBay ID as well? I'd like to take a look at your feedback record. I'm sure it would provide great insight.
Thanks.
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KatyD
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posted on September 2, 2000 09:08:41 AM
I would rather have a seller tack an extra $2 on to the shipping/handling for bubble wrap & a decent box than have some penny pinching moron ship the item in a cornflakes box with a single piece of newspaper around it.
So true, reddeer. But lately the majority of my buying experience has been paying for the extra "handling" but still getting the item in a cornflakes box with a single piece of newspaper around it. In the case of a recent shipment, said newspaper was from 1987, 13 years ago. Sheesh, it it too much to ask for a current newspaper? At least I could keep up on current events.
KatyD
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overworked
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posted on September 2, 2000 09:08:55 AM
Sure was, have a fast look 
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overworked
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posted on September 2, 2000 09:11:02 AM
oops, that last post was for vargas
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shaani
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posted on September 2, 2000 09:16:54 AM
I was just charged a $4.00 handling fee and my doll was wrapped in shredded newspaper (no plastic over the doll) inside half a rice krispie box topped by half of a frozen meat box. Was that a "penny pinching moron"?
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dman3
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posted on September 2, 2000 09:17:03 AM
Hey network I have no bid this morn concider your self blamed for this
you bad and naughty other seller you.
DO we all feel better now !!!!
Have a nice Day
WWW.dman-n-company.com
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reddeer
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posted on September 2, 2000 09:31:20 AM
Shanni ....... Yes, it was. I hope that you neg the twerp.
KatyD .... Same to you.
If buyers left negs for shoddy service then sellers like that would be out of business soon enough.
It doesn't matter if I'm shipping a $10 Barbie Doll or a $2,500 carving, everything leaves my house with the same level of packing.
My feedback reflects that. Sellers with multiple negs for poor packing don't get bids from me.
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networker67
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posted on September 2, 2000 09:37:26 AM
vargas - networker67 is me most places on the web except places where I do charitable and lobbying work for causes, in those circles they call me, "The Major".
But to be honest my feedback really doesn't give that much insight about my ebaying. I have 4 truly trnasaction based negatives all from me being the seller, three from one dutch auction don't ask first dutch auction everything went wrong one about a late payer with permission who cried over bookrate. This might really crack you up the rest comes from arguing in the ebay Q and A before they made feedback transaction based only boy did that change help me out.
dman3 - Honestly I haven't typed www.ebay.com into an internet browser no where on Planet Earth since June 23, 2000.
[ edited by networker67 on Sep 2, 2000 09:44 AM ]
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overworked
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posted on September 2, 2000 09:57:18 AM
Honestly I haven't typed www.ebay.com into an internet browser no where on Planet Earth
since June 23, 2000
Yeah, sure, pull the other one Brax, lol!
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amy
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posted on September 2, 2000 10:19:32 AM
Isn't it odd...the person who started this thread about blaming other sellers for turning buyers into bad buyers, the person who has started other threads to tell the rest of us how it is our own fault bidding is down, etc. The same person who pontificates about selling and how to do it right, can't even assume responsibility for his own selling negatives but instead has to give excuses for those negatives..they weren't his fault.
And yet he expects that all of us will bow to his superior knowledge when he deems to share with us the secrets of how to be a good ebay seller. After all, we are going to be dazzled by the string of letters behind his name (the MBA, CPA, AE ad nauseum), or by his spending pattern, or all the other things he tells us in order to puff up his ego.
I think anyone who is tempted to take this person's advice should seriously consider the source of the advice. And then run like hades in the other direction!
[ edited by amy on Sep 2, 2000 10:20 AM ]
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krs
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posted on September 2, 2000 10:32:33 AM
Reddeer is pissed because he didn't get his cornflakes.
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networker67
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posted on September 2, 2000 10:33:46 AM
amy - your last post has throughly convinced me that your first grade teacher forgot to teach that reading with comprehension class. Seems to me that one of us can't read I have never hid fro the fourtransaction based negatives or shunted responsibility for them. Three if you can read come from one dutch auction transaction that went really bad. The other over shipping bookrate on a payment that I agreed to accept to late. SO what's your beef, let me guess lies and innuendo helps you avoid the issue that ebay and its professional sellers need to work to educate and or if neccassary remove the unprofessional ones from the ranks.
Sorry you can't see this, and sorry you can't seem to discuss this intelligently either. But I get used to having high level discussions with people that don't have a clue. I am afterall an Investment and Pension Actuary, so imagine discussing the factors of funding pension plans with people who are onl bottom line oriented. It gets annoying but fun at the same time.
Sort fo like conversing with you in this thead.
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krs
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posted on September 2, 2000 10:44:17 AM
Now, now. Kiss and make up.
Amy, there have been many good and true points made by networker; and Networker, Amy is an upstanding seller who I'd buy from without hesitation.
That said (Lord, strike me dead!), Amy is not all of ebay, nor am I, or any other single person, or entity. The ills described in these threads are real and the results are suffered by all.
How many have not had said to them, or overheard a person say, that ebay is a place full of danger and fraud, best left alone and stayed away from to be safe. Noone knows how many leave forever after a single bad experience.
How can it not be good advise to take a hard look, individually, at any practices performed by us, and to point out those in others which may be doing us all a disservice?
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dman3
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posted on September 2, 2000 10:44:33 AM
network no mater weather you type www.ebay.com in your browser ever in your time on the web 99% of my sales are on yahoo
you said if my sales were down I should blame other sellers and I choose you
and to be honest was all in jest I dont beleave in makeing excuses for lack of sales or blameing others they are MY sales arrent they.
and the only neg I have right now is from a buyer won won a bid on a .75 item I waited 60 days for payment of the .75 and decided after 20 or 30 emails to get her attention the day I decided this was a silly attempt to make .75 cents I canceled her bid the second highest bidder said they wanted it and I sold to them the very same day I neg the frist buyer she left me a neg stateing she had been sick with the flu and had I waited one more day she was gonna send the money go figure .
Though I take full blame for that neg all my fault I should have wait 90 days before canceling her bid and sold to the next highest bidder mind you she had a -6 when she made the bid and a -22 at the time I canceled her bid
WWW.dman-n-company.com
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amy
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posted on September 2, 2000 10:54:00 AM
Braxton, at least your posts are good for a big belly laugh!!
"Three if you can read come from one dutch auction transaction that went really bad. The other over shipping bookrate on a payment
that I agreed to accept to late."
As I said, excuses, excuses!!! There is always SOME explanation to avoid responsibility for being a bad seller..and you find them!
As for my comprehension abilities being bad..LOL! Braxton, whenever you don't have any comeback to someone else's argument you start attacking the other person's intelligence. So very.very predictable!!!
If your posts are not good for anything else (which they are not) at least they are good for the amusement value (which is very high!)
[ edited by amy on Sep 2, 2000 10:55 AM ]
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krs
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posted on September 2, 2000 11:03:17 AM
Tsk, What do you think I was trying to tell you, Amy.
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networker67
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posted on September 2, 2000 11:05:11 AM
amy- what excuse you are talking about my feedback in amanner to create a false lie is actually better word that it is all that bad. So I fold that crappy lame excuse for your inabiltiy to discuss the issue with the facts of the feedback profile. Really amy you are the joke in this particular thread along with that overworked character.
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amy
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posted on September 2, 2000 11:06:43 AM
Krs...whatever wheat Networker is giving us is lost in the chaff of his delivery.
Of course all of us should examine what we are doing and attempt to be as honorable in our dealings as possible (didn't I say that before?). That is the only way we can combat the perception of those who feel ebay is full of crooks. And discussions on boards like AW help each of us see how others percieve different paractices. These insights help each of us evaluate how we do business.
But I don't see Networker's posts as having many of the qualities needed for a good discussion. IMO, his posts are only here to inflate his ego. Now that he isn't allowed on ebay's boards, he comes here to ponitificate.
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CheyenneRoundup
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posted on September 2, 2000 11:09:06 AM
Amy does not deserve to be posted down to or belittled, nor do we at AuctionWatch deserve to have the EbayOutlook dominated by a person who was the first person to be NARU'ed from Ebay by court order.
http://google.yahoo.com/bin/query?p=%2b%22Braxton+Anderson%22+%2bebay&hc=0&hs=0
http://www.auctionwatch.com/awdaily/dailynews/july00/1-071200.html
Most of his posts are OK, but he's been attacking, instead of having discussion with, users who disagree with him.
http://psychicspy.com/
I can see you.
[ edited by CheyenneRoundup on Sep 2, 2000 11:10 AM ]
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amy
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posted on September 2, 2000 11:09:46 AM
KRS...okay, okay..i'm dense this morning!
I think I will go get a cup of coffee and wake up more completely!
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amy
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posted on September 2, 2000 11:17:36 AM
Posted by Networker...
"amy- what excuse you are talking about my feedback in amanner to create a false lie is actually better word that it is all that bad"
Braxton..would you mind translating that into something that more closely resembles English?
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CheyenneRoundup
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posted on September 2, 2000 11:18:49 AM
I must, somewhat, agree with Amy when she said:But I don't see Networker's posts as having many of the qualities needed for a good discussion. IMO, his posts are only here to inflate his ego. Now that he isn't allowed on ebay's boards, he comes here to ponitificate.
Only within the last few days has networker's postings seemed much more agressive and combative. I'm guessing he misses the Q&A wars that I've personally found to be so entertaining myself. And those battles scroll off into nothingness, unlike these AW posts that remain for long periods of time.
http://psychicspy.com/
I can see you.
[ edited by CheyenneRoundup on Sep 2, 2000 11:23 AM ]
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argh
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posted on September 2, 2000 11:23:09 AM
Uhm, since when is it OK to post identifying information on an AW member? CheyenneRoundup's links take ya to articles that identify his full name and city.
I sure thought that was a big no no...am I wrong?
Argh
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CheyenneRoundup
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posted on September 2, 2000 11:26:54 AM
Networker himself has posted these links in the recent past.
He likes being a celebrity. In point of fact, he's a public figure.
http://psychicspy.com/
I can see you.
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krs
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posted on September 2, 2000 11:30:09 AM
CheyenneRoundup,
Did you forget to shout anonymous coward?
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