oKay, if U happen to be associated with ANY major American Corporation, sans eBay, kindly close this messagethread AT ONCE.
My words are not directed at you, lol. Bye, bye!
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QUERY: How do we differentiate eBay Born & Bred eBiz -- from the Fat Kats who wanna innundate eBay with listings to STEAL the bidders who are the customers of the MICROeBusinesses?
Date of registration, pre-9/98 IPO, is one determination.
How else can the eBay Bidder differentiate between $ucce$$ful eBay microBiz, and the "CARPETBAGGERS"??
posted on September 9, 2000 02:09:16 PM
Radh: Pre 9/98 registration may be helpful but is probably no definitive.
Ebay probabaly has statistics but I don't think it is something they would want to make public.
I did find it interesting that eBay lists Wal-Mart, Kmart, Target, Sears, Macy's, JC Penney, Montgomery Ward, Costco, Sam's Club as major competitors in its most recent SEC filing.
Which may mean that eBay wants to attract other big sellers to compete with the above.
posted on September 9, 2000 02:55:53 PM
What reason would the average eBay bidder have to even care if the seller is a longer term eBay seller or a large corporation? As a bidder I am looking for quality of goods, price, and customer service. Personally I couldn't care less about the scale or type of business run by the seller.
The bottom line is: Are the goods of high enough quality?; Is the price right?; Will the seller service my need with the minimum of inconvenience on my part? I believe that most buyers would have the same purchase criteria. So what is in it for them to patronize a u-E-business versus a corporation?
posted on September 9, 2000 06:51:06 PM
I think you have presented variations on the concept that ebaY early adopters deserve some special privilege, ownership, and respect several times here. I think it is ridiculously lame.
Have you gone Bonkers?
ebaY about microbusiness? - YES; exclusivity - NO, No and no.
smw - I also find that list of competitors curious, gives me the impression ebaY has little idea what they are about.
posted on September 9, 2000 07:51:11 PM
I think that list of competitors demonstrates what eBay wants to become and so far they're doing a good job of achieving their goals. My God, isn't THAT sad and pathetic? Just what we need is another online Wal-Mart, Kmart, Target and Sears.
Oh yeah, I bought my computer and learned how to use it so I could shop at the cyber Wal-Mart store!! NOT
Blanche
[ edited by bhearsch on Sep 9, 2000 07:53 PM ]
smw: maybe if go to eBay Search and insert, "RUBBERMAID" or "PHILLIPS", and then compare & contrast the search retrieval results to the 3-D inventory at your local Target or Sears, you'll understand better why these retailers made the list.
Core Collectibles are only a tiny tiny fraction of eBay completed sales nowadays.
posted on September 10, 2000 09:31:27 AM"rare" - 116606 items. "unusual" - 8305 itmes. "used" - 21426 items. "old" - 105207 items. Total items = 251544
Title search only (didn't search description).
"new" - 382080 items.
"unused" - 5067 items.
"MIP" - 6495 items. (Mint in Package)
"MIB" - 29709 items. (Mint in Box)
Total items = 423351
Draw whatever conclusions that you think the data will support.
posted on September 10, 2000 10:16:00 AM
figmente: boY, did i pick out 2 stoopid potential searches, i'll try later when i have more time.
eBay started out based upon CORE COLLECTIBLES.
Core collectibles today account for only a tiny percentage of the final value fees.
eBay has expanded into myriads of other categories, and it is from these other myriads of categories that most of their FVF-revenue is made.
If you guys seriously do NOT understand, why for instance, JC Penny or Target is in direct competition for the disposable income of eBay Bidders, then truly, I'm glad that only MBAs are advising the eBay PTB.
If you do not realize that alla those stoopid boring shopping portals are all preparing to auction off the e-tailers liquidated goods, and that those shopping portals and e-tailers pose a potential threat to the future of your Microbusiness, then thank g00dness for MBAs.
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posted on September 10, 2000 10:37:38 AM
radh, what's the problem with Wal-Mart etc. selling in eBay. Its there a law that says a business cannot sell in eBay.
If you are selling a unique antique how is Target a direct competition with your product. Last I checked, I didn't see anything remotely considered in those stores. Well I had a hard time finding a 'Made in the USA' product. So maybe those can be considered an antique.
The problem is for sellers who go to Wal-Mart when they have their sale & buy to sell on eBay. That's a joke & I've always stated, those people are just waiting to close shop. If I buy a product from eBay (brand new mind you & not an antique) & later find out that its $20 cheapers at my local store, how long do you think I will want to shop at eBay. Oh all the postage hassle & all the stupid battles that we see here everyday in AW.
If you run those kind of business in eBay, your days are numbered & they are numbered because people are not that stupid. And yes unless they live in the enchanted forest where its 300 miles from Wal-Mart, its not worth it. Maybe that's why sellers are afraid of the big boys.
posted on September 10, 2000 11:01:12 AM
ebaY may want to be in competition with these retailers but the goal does not seem realistic.
Women's clothing shows 143782 listings, bidding looks light and your typical suburban mall probably has much more in stock, maybe your typical Macy's single store.
Tools shows 21173 items, surely a single full size Sears exceeds this (much less a Home Depot).
That "Core collectibles today account for only a tiny percentage of the final value fees." seems unlikely. While some people buy and sell ordinary consumer goods on ebay the vast majority will not. Clothes, shoes and accessories, cosmetics, jewelry etc. dominate the department stores and malls and most of these businesses are unlikely to move online. For most of the housewares, foodstuffs and such which fill Costco, Sam's Club etc. shipping is prohibitive.
half.com is competitive with the used and clearance sections of their businesses, but that's not where the department stores are.
When you are looking for new clothes, appliances, furniture, food, tires, ... it seems unlikely that you will go to ebaY. That they think they are in competition is unrealistic folly. If they want to be ... they must be jealous of Amazon.com's balance sheet.
posted on September 10, 2000 11:57:44 AM
not sure what the point of this thread is anymore but compairing numbers for what is selling on ebay to what is selling at walmarts or macy or home depot dont fit.
MIP MIB even though un opened dont mean they are new what you can buy in store today.
try buying that barbies MIB from 1950 from sears walmert or macy today !!
Tool sale rusty monkey wrench from the 1800 or early 1900s at these places.
many Items even listed as still in package still in box or even useing new in there tile more them likely has a near or like with it near new like new.
records like new released in 1945 still sealed in orginal package.
over 85% of all not just ebay is about old antique or collectable items that collectors and dealers want that can not be found in a store today.
What law is there that says walmarts and kmarts and so on cant sell on Ebay there is no law that says they cant.
and this isnt even close to the issue here at all.these companyies are big enough to have there own on line stores infact most are biger and more powerfull then ebay money wise and marketing wise.
the question not what law is there the question is why would they want to be there well the answer is this ebays sucess everyone of these companys have there own online stores and each are not doing so well they dont really want to be there they just want to see what ebay is doing to make them as sucessfull as they have been they are buying this picking of ebay brains as much as a oxymoron that statement may be.
in the process of finding out there secert to sucess they dont give two dambs if it kills there success or if ebay survives as long as they do.
they will never be able to copy ebays success cause you can bet these companys will never open there floor space or web space for us to sell in .
ebays sucess is us they dont do no selling of goods we do and they dont do no buying of good we do ebay just sells a service that allows us to do this sucessfully and became sucessfull on are business savy.
can you see walmarts pulling all inventory from there stores and leaseing floor space for dealers each gets a selves table and register we pay to rent to sell are goods ya right
malls on the other hand do this not only inside with booths but since that business is down a bit they are also useing there parking lots to host for a price the worlds largest garage sales two malls herein the albany NY area have held two of these this year and they are not the frist.
the sucess as of this new way to earn money selling mall services is very sucessfull and hasnt really hurt or help big retailer in the mall.
I personally sell on yahoo and they have BigKmart and macys and many other stores they have yahoo merchants they have auctions everyone seems to get along well.
but if ebay trys to push out antique a collectable dealers they will just lose since this is and has been there sucess.
The eBay sellers of office and shipping supplies are SO much better than those BigFat eBizzes like Staples and OfficeMax, that the later do NOT stand a chance in the New Millenium!
posted on September 10, 2000 07:42:00 PM
all other things being roughly equal (price, feedback, quality) I would prefer to buy from microbusinesses on eBay than from big biz on eBay. I don't think either group should be banned or administratively ousted, but I personally like to support small businesses as far as I can. Why? cause it's a real kick to see little guys like the bubblewrap chick doing so well and it's exciting to know it's possible for microbusinesses to succeed here too. Call me a one woman grassroots support team. Oh, and I loved that article you linked to Radh! i now consider myself a microbusinesswoman.....lol
Some of the very werry liddle widdle itsy bitsy teenie weenie businesses on eBay, known colloquially as "mom n' pops" and technically termed MICROBUSINESSES -- Some of the initial microbusinesses had such great success on eBay that they have outgrown this designation.
I want to only buy from micro-eBiz, or from eBay Born n' Bred small businesses, because those are the online businesses which provide the best & most personalized customer service, and they are the type of eBiz that create the marvelous ambiance of eBay, where BigFat eBiz is BORING, and in my mind a buncha jealous drooooLing carpetbaggers who want alla the bidders that MICROBUSINESS attracts to eBay.
I do not want to mistake a successful eBay-BASED eBiz for one of the Korporate Karpetbaggers.
Bye, bye!
*bounce*