bobbi355
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posted on September 16, 2000 09:40:30 AM
Last week I closed my acct. with PayPal. I still had one auction that I was awaiting payment for - the buyer paid through PayPal yesterday and I got an email from PayPal stating that I had cash, but how am I going to get the money if my acct. is closed? And why did Paypal accept it if my acct. was closed?? 
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radh
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posted on September 16, 2000 09:54:00 AM
According to the 3-D ads put out by these people, (imo, HUCKSTERS), the big point about playpal, was that the second you beamed anyone money, they were automatically members.
THAT is the actual LIE in the advertisements.
I despise playpal, and I look forward to the BIG PLAYERS entering this market, to get ridda them.
Playpal's miserablesystem is set uP to RECEIVE any & all payments --- it does NOT care if you are a member or if you do NOT want to be a member!!!
I think there should be a class action suit against these jerks for sharp practices, for starters...
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VeryModern
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posted on September 16, 2000 09:55:36 AM
My acct. is also closed, and I had someone send a payment last night. I got the "you have cash" mail telling me to sign up (new account) to claim it.
Did you get something different?
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bobbi355
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posted on September 16, 2000 10:02:22 AM
This is such a crock of s**t. PayPal should absolutely NOT accept payment for someone who is not even registered!! I just had to send an email to the buyer and ask him to please cancel payment to me and I hated to put him through this hassle. I did, though, direct him to this msg. board so maybe he could understand what is going on with PaySCAM. I am sending his item out Monday regardless. HEY PAYPALDEMON.......... whey dontcha get in here and explain to my buyer why you accepted money from him when I'm not even registered with you??
verymodern - YES - I got the email saying I had cash and clicked on the link in the email and it wants me to sign up!! UGGGHHHH
[ edited by bobbi355 on Sep 16, 2000 10:04 AM ]
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VeryModern
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posted on September 16, 2000 10:11:16 AM
I had to write a similar letter. This on top of at least 5 I had to write to buyers regarding the unverified warning.
I can't wait until this whole mess is just a memory.
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HJW
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posted on September 16, 2000 10:44:12 AM
Same thing happened to me. When I tried to
retrieve the money without registering, they
informed me that it was not MY money but that
it was the buyers money...that is, until I registered.
The buyer was so confused that I never received payment.
This organization (if you can call it that)
cannot even aspire to the name
mickey mouse.
Helen
[ edited by HJW on Sep 16, 2000 10:46 AM ]
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HartCottageQuilts
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posted on September 16, 2000 10:57:01 AM
I don't know why anybody's surprised. This has been Paypal's tack since the beginning:
A registered user can "send" cash to someone who is NOT a registered user. The unregistered recipient gets an email saying "Hey, you have money, but you'll have to register with Paypal to receive it," thus giving the intended recipient the unappetizing choice between telling his customer to pay again in another fashion and risking a "screw you", or registering for a "service" s/he otherwise never would have used.
So what's the big deal? Nothing, for that one transaction.
Unfortunately, unless the recipient then immediately has a check issued and closes his account, anybody - any other high bidder - can send money to him, the money appearing immediately in his account whether he wants it there or not. Again, the recipient faces the choice of having an argument with his customer, or swallowing Paypal. Meanwhile Paypal earned money on the "float" - and with the new-and-nebulous "business" policies, also charges the recipient for the "favor" its done him.
Charming.
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bobbi355
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posted on September 16, 2000 10:58:20 AM
Okay.......I'm trying to get this straight - Even though I don't have an acct. with paypal and state on my auctions that I don't and if the buyer still pays through paypal it is up to ME to either: 1) Register with paypal to get the money OR 2) Email the buyer and ask them to cancel their payment?? How are they getting away with doing this??? Just say the buyer doesn't want to cancel payment - and I don't get the money because I don't want to re-register....Paypal keeps the unclaimed funds because I don't want to register with this bogus "company"?? There HAS to be somebody out there who can help us with this! 
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bobbi355
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posted on September 16, 2000 11:00:48 AM
You hit the nail right on the head HCQ....
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reddeer
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posted on September 16, 2000 11:35:48 AM
HCQ ..... Exactly. I live in Canada & twice have had funds beamed to me via PayPal. Both bidders acted surprised when I emailed them & told them they best find another way to get the funds to me. The idea of being able to send funds to a seller that isn't even registered has always struck me as being absurd.
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furkidmom
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posted on September 16, 2000 11:36:23 AM
bobbi> NO! You do NOT have to re-sign with paypal! All you have to do is email your winner and tell them that you do not have an account with PayPal, Period! The winner then cancels the transaction, and between the 2 of you, figure out how you want them to pay for your transction. Been there...done that It works!
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HJW
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posted on September 16, 2000 11:37:08 AM
And, if the buyer does not cancel the payment, PayPal will hold the money for
180 days, A pretty good float time!
Then, if you can believe it, they will return
the money to the buyer.
[ edited by HJW on Sep 16, 2000 11:37 AM ]
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abacaxi
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posted on September 16, 2000 11:53:10 AM
Bobbi -
PayPal's business plan RELIES on people coercing other people to sign up.
1. Email the buyer that your PayPal account was CLOSED last week, due to problems with PayPal's welching on statements they made to users.
2. Tell them they can go to their account and CANCEL the transaction and retrieve the money.
3. Tell them that you would be PLEASED to accept a personal check.
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HJW
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posted on September 16, 2000 12:05:54 PM
abacaxi,
That is exactly how I handled the problem.
I even explained to the new ebay user how
to cancel the payment. Unfortunately, I never heard from this buyer again.
helen
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bobbi355
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posted on September 16, 2000 12:31:21 PM
I understand know what to do - but it's not right for the burden to be on ME just because I choose not to be registered with paypal. Paypal shouldn't be allowed to accept payments for a non-registered person because they sure as hell aren't doing me any favor by doing it! BUNCHA SLIME BAGS!!
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furkidmom
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posted on September 16, 2000 01:12:40 PM
HJW> I was not aware of any 180 day delay. This happened to me on 3 occasions and none of my bideders mentioned anything like this. But thanks for the heads up! I have their paperwork here and I will email them and find out if they had to wait. Thanks!
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capotasto
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posted on September 16, 2000 01:16:35 PM
There's a lot of ignorance and stupidity displayed in this thread...
But HCQ I don't include you...
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VeryModern
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posted on September 16, 2000 01:24:08 PM
and what is your brilliant reason for insulting other posters capotasto?
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Joanne
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posted on September 16, 2000 02:01:00 PM
It's always been true that you can 'beam' money to an unregistered email address at Paypal. There were numerous threads here about sellers whose buyers did just that, who felt they were trying to be forced into signing up (and presumably earning the buyer the referral $$). I've NEVER understood this, it seems patently ridiculous.
However, Paypal is not the only one doing this. I was just taking a look at exchangepath and their TOS says they do it also.
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bobbi355
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posted on September 16, 2000 02:05:21 PM
'scuse me for being so "ignorant"
and for showing my "stupidity"
[ edited by bobbi355 on Sep 16, 2000 02:06 PM ]
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HJW
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posted on September 16, 2000 02:18:39 PM
capotasto has posted this message before.
I've tried to encourage capotasto to dazzel
me with his intelligence by posting a message
but he or she will not.
furkidman, I don't think that I made my message clear (could capotasto be right?)
I meant that if the buyer fails to cancel
the payment that PayPal will keep
the money for 180 days.
That would be an unusual circumstance since
most users of paypal are familiar with this
option.
Helen
[ edited by HJW on Sep 16, 2000 02:20 PM ]
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VeryModern
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posted on September 16, 2000 02:27:17 PM
for the record bobbi355 - you strike me as passionate not ignorant.
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HartCottageQuilts
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posted on September 16, 2000 02:36:44 PM
capostato, I concur wholeheartedly.
Unfortunately, I see only one party demonstrating that ignorance in his/her post.
Now you and already I agree that it's not me.
It's also not bobbi, VeryModern, HJW, reddeer, furkidmom, abacaxi or Joanne. It's not even (HCQ almost chokes on this) radh.
So....hmm....
But if you'd like to change your mind about my reasoning abilities, I'd be happy for you to count me among those in this thread you consider the great unwashed. Your manner of backanded compliments I don't need, thank you very much.
[ edited by HartCottageQuilts on Sep 16, 2000 02:39 PM ]
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radh
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posted on September 16, 2000 03:26:04 PM
bobbie says, "This is such a crock of s**t. PayPal should absolutely NOT accept payment for someone who is not even registered!!:
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When I mentioned this several months ago, I was flamed royally and roasted over the coals.
Their 3-D ad in Wired specifically LIED, that anybody who was beamed a payment automatically became a member.
I loathe playpal.
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radh
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posted on September 16, 2000 03:29:13 PM
bobbi asks, "How are they getting away with doing this???"
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Because they targeted the online auction users at eBay, many many of whom were excited about this so-called business for the "REWARD" of five bucks.
It is vile.
I would never entrust any money to these hucksters.
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radh
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posted on September 16, 2000 03:33:25 PM
bobbi bemoans, "but it's not right for the burden to be on ME just because I choose not to be registered with paypal. Paypal shouldn't be allowed to accept payments for a non-registered person..."
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I agree completely.
We sellers are already target practice for the ""thousands"" of ""teenagers"" who wish to sabotage our auctions.
AND NOW, one has to write those stinking emails to bidders, and risk OFFENDING them.
Frankly, I for one am surprised that eBay didn't find a way to make playpal ENTIRELY ILLEGAL on their site, long ago.
And I agree that they are SLIME.
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radh
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posted on September 16, 2000 03:36:16 PM
Thanks for the kind words, HCQ; imo, toooooo baD you didn't choke.
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radh
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posted on September 16, 2000 03:37:20 PM
10 to 1 odds that *I* get the warning, not HCQ.
Any bets?
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HJW
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posted on September 16, 2000 03:59:55 PM
vinnie...capotasto
Several weeks ago, you called my posts
moronic.
Whasup with you?
Maybe you need some instructions from the
moderator?
Helen
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traceyg
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posted on September 16, 2000 04:11:14 PM
Well if you really want it stopped you have to grab paypal's attention leaving messages on these boards are NOT doing it anymore. AS they have flipped is the bird. As you see most if any of the messages are not being answered. No one has time for a big long legal battle. So , the only thing you can do is try to bring it to the attention of BIG media. There are ways to do that now that are cost effective. Don't get into all the issues just get into this issue (trust me media will find the rest) One of doing that is useing the internet almost all the big shows have message boards now for Hot topics and the media, they do pay attention to these boards. For instance you could go over to the abc internet site (can't put the link here but I think everyone can figure it out : ) and there go to the view Barbra Walters daytime show very popular. The have a message board, but they also have this. A place where you can submit a problem and if it gets their eye (and if enough go over there it will) and if they pick your question they may solve it on the air. Here is what they say at the site and I have seen them do it and Barbra Walters being contacted with 20/20 doesn't hurt, "Whether you have a question about careers, relationships, etiquette or clothing, the ladies of The View are here to help you out. Submit your problems and they might get solved on the air! Click" BTW It would also be good to see what Star on the show ould have to say she is a lawyer and appears to be a darn good one. There are ways to fight back , but it has to be in numbers and has to attract the media attention. There are also other news shows that do this quite a few. it could also backfire but I doubt it since Paypal isn't that good with Public Relations.
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