barbarake
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posted on September 25, 2000 01:56:47 PM
I was just looking at some DVDs and came across one that provided a link to the seller's terms. (Remember, DVDs can be shipped book rate.)
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Thanks for checking out the auction. We apologize in advance for the tight-ass attitude herein, but you can thank your fellow bidders who were not as honorable, honest and accountable as you are, who made such a stance necessary. For the majority of us, just do what you usually do and skim the details. There's nothing fishy in here, but we are strict due to abuse. Here we go.
We do not accept payments by mail. We accept Paypal within 5 days of notification, and no last name is needed. $5.00 late fee imposed thereafter. We do not accept payments by mail. If late and unpaid after 10 days, DVD and any partial payment is forfeited. We do not accept payments by mail.
Shipping is free if you pay for your DVD with a new Paypal account. If not, you pay S&H.
We have lowered our S&H to $5.00 per DVD and it now is non-negotiable. Insurance ($3.50) is available since our liability ends upon mailing. Sorry, we cannot combine shipments. We return email and ship on Wednesdays and Saturdays only.
If, in our opinion, a bidder becomes abusive, we reserve the right to refund their payment, less our fees and costs, averaging $7.00, void their bid and enter negative feedback. It hasn't happened yet, but we've come close with troublemakers. To those people: Go ahead, make our day.
NEW DVDs are usually shrinkwrapped (unless they're from a new collector's series) and are not opened for testing. MINT (used) DVDs are opened to verify the disc is there but are not tested. Should any quality issue come up, it's between you and the manufacturer. All DVDs are shipped in the cases we purchased them in. Most of the time cases are full-sized, but some are jewel (CD) cases. If this a concern of yours, ask before you bid.
We are not responsible for bidders who wait until after they bid or when it's time to pay to read these terms.
Let's all remember these few rules in the back of our minds and have pleasant auctions, OK?
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WOW!!! I'm definitely not bidding on this auction.
(Moderator - I don't think there's enough information here to identify any particular auction since this comes from a *link* in the auction. If I'm wrong, I apologize in advance.)
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amy
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posted on September 25, 2000 02:01:38 PM
And the seller's feedback was..what? And they have been selling..how long?
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deco100
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posted on September 25, 2000 02:22:03 PM
and have they ever sold anything? And how long do you think they'll last on ebay?
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mballai
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posted on September 25, 2000 02:24:29 PM
Actually I can almost understand how they came to the stage that they did. However, the cost of s/h and insurance is rather steep if the DVD went for more than a certain amount.
I do like their honesty but their adversarial attitude stinks. Would not get a bid from me before hell freezes over.
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london4
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posted on September 25, 2000 02:28:43 PM
I'm with mballai. The devil will hold ice skating parties before I'd bid on anything from this seller!
Wonder what payment method was accepted prior to paypal?
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amalgamated2000
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posted on September 25, 2000 02:49:02 PM
I agree that at least they are being up-front about it. Did they mention anything about shipping in used pizza boxes?
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waspstar
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posted on September 25, 2000 02:49:09 PM
No way I'd ever bid on this seller's items.
Postage on a DVD is around $1.21. And that is for FIRST CLASS mail.
Also, this seller obviously doesn't know that PayPal is now holding all referral fees until the buyer verifies their account. I have about a dozen referrals in "pending" that I'm sure I'll never receive.
"My possessions are causing me suspicion." - Neil Finn
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dman3
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posted on September 25, 2000 05:33:01 PM
Some of this dont seem out of line for someone who does this only for a liveing $5 late charge is reasonable.
I would think a $7 charge for a canceled bid on the buyer side is reasonable too but not if the seller decides to cancel.
10 days after the end of the auction isnt unreasonable since they only take credit card payments.
and to be honest shipping and handleing is something thats decided diferently by every seller $5 S/H is reasonable I take all my items to the PO and rates very by as much as .75 to $1 on same items packed the same way never fails for every 3 Items I ship I will eat shipping fees on one of them.
$3.50 to insure way out of line even if you self insure in fact if the win is under $10 insureing isnt even a factor .
I think if they would have left out the additude and personal opinion out of this it would come off looking reasonable unfortunately rules are needed.
late fees and contract termination fees are a fact of life all our time is worth more then $0.
every auction with a winner that changes there mind or deadbeats has waisted a whole week of our time not just the 20 mins or hour it took to make the listing.
every one who replys slow or take two week to a month to pay is useing even more of our time. we are not in the privite investigation bussiness at all my job is not to find or chase winners at all they bid for what I was selling that means they wanted that item more then me or others that bid.
if we have to play the tough collection agent we should get something for this service too 
WWW.dman-n-company.com
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dc9a320
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posted on September 25, 2000 07:18:08 PM
Wow, adversarial indeed.
$3.50 for insurance? On a DVD? "We do not accept payments by mail" three times in a row, in the same paragraph? Yeah, some bidders have thick heads, but at least spread the same phrase out.
I wouldn't bid on a PP-only auction for the life of me.
Is the following really mint? "MINT (used) DVDs are opened to verify the disc is there but are not tested."
Forget it, I'll keep my good money.
So is the seller saving himself enough money and frustration from incomplete wins, or losing more money from people not bidding because of the attitude.
Oh, and I wouldn't bid where the TOS are not on the auction page.
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pickersangel
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posted on September 25, 2000 07:22:51 PM
I'm just wondering how many bidders see these terms BEFORE the auctions close. Is the fact that they "..don't accept payments by mail.." so clearly spelled out in the auction listings? I'm with everyone else who wouldn't buy from this joker. ICK!!!!!
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Peachy77
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posted on September 25, 2000 07:34:51 PM
My biggest issue would be that you have to take a link to see the TOS. If this guy feels so strongly, shouldn't he have the TOS in his auction description, in plain sight?
Who is this guy? He charges late fees?
Doesn't accept payment by mail?
Charges a cancellation fee if the sale cannot be completed?
Unless he has the corner on the market for some RARE or unusual item, that can be found NOWHERE else but from his stock, then I would think he's killing his own business. You can't throw customer service out the window because of a few jerks. That's just par for the course.
Lucky for him, few bidders read auction TOS anyway....very few people will take the trouble of following a link just to read them.
He would NEVER get my bid, NEVER get my bid, NEVER get my bid. I said it three times, just in case he's as thick as he thinks his bidders are....
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ktakabayashi
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posted on September 25, 2000 08:48:32 PM
This is just a joke. =) I had to:
Warning- Failure to pay us via electronic method will result in the death of your firstborn.
We accept Paypal only, use of another method and we will chase down your pets and toss them into traffic.
Not only will negative feedback be left if you do not pay, we will hack into your credit card information and render you chapter 11.
Failure to leave us positive feedback will result in a rip in the fabric of time, causing life itself to cease to exist.
Have a good day, and happy bidding!
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Peachy77
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posted on September 25, 2000 08:54:41 PM
ROFL
ktakabayashi You forgot the curse that will follow your family for 100 years....
Thanks for the laugh! 
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ktakabayashi
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posted on September 25, 2000 08:56:42 PM
Thanks. I'm just sitting here waiting for my darn auctions to post. Y a w n !
Still hard to believe someone would post TOS like that. No matter what the price is, I usually check the TOS.
Ciao!
Kenji
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bobbysoxer
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posted on September 25, 2000 09:32:41 PM
About 8 months ago there was quite a discussion on whether or not "linked" TOS's are binding since the seller can alter the TOS language. Whereas if the "linked" TOS was on the auction site with a bid the seller can only add to the description and not change the language.
Personally, I have seen other similar un-consumer friendly sites and it is a real turn off. I don't bother with sites like this. Then again some may not bother with mine either......
not bobbysoxer on eBay
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macandjan
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posted on September 25, 2000 09:45:19 PM
[ edited by macandjan on Dec 3, 2000 08:06 PM ]
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thewizofoz
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posted on September 25, 2000 10:33:49 PM
Gotta love the 'tude" of the seller, but would skip on the auctions because S&H is too high and I REFUSE to use paypal.
"A pessimist sees the difficulty in every opportunity, an optimist sees the opportunity in every difficulty" -Winston Churchill
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Crystalline_Sliver
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posted on September 26, 2000 01:56:30 AM
All DVDs are shipped in the cases we purchased them in. Most of the time cases are full-sized, but some are jewel (CD) cases.
Correct me if i'm wrong, but ALL the DVD's i've seen at Blockbuster or K-Mart have been in those long black cases, not the Music Jewel Cases. Also, the local Software Etc. has used DVD's and they are always in their original black case (excluding those Boxed DVD's and that Sex and the City DVD in it's semi-clear case).
Of course, some foreign VCD's are found in Jewel Cases. But never DVD's.
I smell Bootleg goods!!
:\\\"Crystalline Sliver cannot be the target of spells or abilities.
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capotasto
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posted on September 26, 2000 05:25:48 AM
". We accept Paypal within 5 days of notification, and no last name is needed. $5.00 late fee imposed thereafter. We do not accept payments by mail"
Very fishy... he won't give you his last name, or his address..
So what's his feedback?
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RM
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posted on September 26, 2000 06:28:09 AM
Short version:
So, you are the high bidder. Would you like a blindfold, or a last cigarette?
Ray
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Lorndav
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posted on September 26, 2000 07:15:07 AM
If they can't get them to pay on time for DVD, how do they think they are going to collect a late fee? Gimmie a break, I think it's time somebody finds a new job!
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zeenza
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posted on September 26, 2000 07:30:11 AM
Well for what its worth, I have NEVER had the need to use any terms of service. I email, they pay, I send. In 3 years I had one bad check (for a huge item too bulky to worry about anyway). Other than that...antique buyers are a good bunch.
I think the folks with problems are the ones that have things listed that have competition in like kind items.
And for this fellow...his shipping fees were over the top. His problems were self induced.
Ego boy will have a tough go of it in the future...me thinks.
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jwoodcrafts
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posted on September 26, 2000 07:36:44 AM
No way would I bid on auction like this!
"Don't go around saying the world owes you a living. The world owes you nothing. It was here first."---Mark Twain
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artsnflies
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posted on September 26, 2000 07:46:24 AM
Good luck trying to impose much less collect on all those fees! The worst he can do is leave a neg and he'd probably get a neg in return. Surprised he doesn't have such a low rating already.
OTOH, we can understand his fustrations. We have a high bidder now who said they were sending a check. That was over a week ago. No check yet. Meanwhile they have already bid on another of our auctions. Wanna bet they are going to try something like "I want you to combine the items so I don't have to pay double shipping" or something like that. Meanwhile the terms of the auction clearly stated that payment must be received in 7 days.
http://members.ebay.com/aboutme/artsnflies/
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hinz
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posted on September 26, 2000 08:57:04 AM
Personally, I wouldn't bid either - shipping charges are high (3.50 for insurance??) and the negative attitude just makes me hit the back button! Do they think they are the only ones selling DVD's?
Gail
http://members.ebay.com/aboutme/hinz1/
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hinz
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posted on September 26, 2000 09:03:04 AM
Artsnflies- I let my customers hold off on payment so they can combine shipping often - I would expect the same if I were bidding on more than one of their items. Generally, they advise me as soon as they get my first congrats letter, though. Just my thoughts, though.
Gail
http://members.ebay.com/aboutme/hinz1/
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artsnflies
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posted on September 26, 2000 12:48:16 PM
Hinz - If the bidder had asked we would have agreed. But they didn't ask. They tried to dictate the terms. That's what makes it a sour deal.
http://members.ebay.com/aboutme/artsnflies/
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