roadsmith
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posted on September 30, 2000 06:34:45 PM
We have inherited an old Roseville two-handled vase. Sat on floor of old lady's house and they kept umbrellas in it. It is approximately 18 inches tall (I'm working from a picture), has the zephyr lilies on it, and is blue. Appears to be mint. Any suggestions as to the value?
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reddeer
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posted on September 30, 2000 06:50:28 PM
Umbrellas in an 18 inch vase? Post a pic just to make sure that you have identified the flowers/pattern correctly. Also, any pattern # on the bottom?
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roadsmith
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posted on September 30, 2000 06:53:29 PM
Reddeer: Thanks--we can't scan at the moment. We know it's the zephyr lily pattern but don't have a picture of the bottom of the vase. The handles are at the top and there is no major rim flare on the top.
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oldstuff
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posted on September 30, 2000 06:58:41 PM
There should be the name Roseville in raised letters on the bottom along with a series of numbers. If you give me that then I can probably figure it out.
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fountainhouse
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posted on September 30, 2000 08:13:58 PM
According to Roseville in All its Splendor (an excellent reference, BTW), your vase, mold number 142-18", is valued at $700-$1100.
Better say a silent thank-you to that "old lady" you inherited it from.
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reddeer
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posted on September 30, 2000 08:34:36 PM
Well, I was waiting to see if it was a 142-18, but I imagine it's safe to assume that it is.
Roadsmith .... Keep in mind that very few Roseville items ever fetch anything near their "book" value when & if you decide to sell them, especially on eBay. 
FYI - the 142-18 in blue is priced at $965-1250 in the Gloria Mollring price guide, but her prices are always high IMO.
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dman3
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posted on September 30, 2000 08:43:01 PM
I want a few of these too somebody find me a few little ole ladys
WWW.dman-n-company.com
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fountainhouse
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posted on September 30, 2000 08:57:25 PM
Keep in mind that very few Roseville items ever fetch anything near their "book" value when & if you decide to sell them, especially on eBay.
Oh, I don't know about that, reddeer. On a large piece like this (the only 18" piece in the Zephyr Lily line), ebay bidders just might fool ya'...
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reddeer
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posted on September 30, 2000 09:07:14 PM
This is true, 18" pieces in that line certainly don't grow on trees, even on eBay.
Overall I've done very well on the very hard to find Roseville items, and pizz poor on the rest. 2 yrs ago it all did pretty good, but that was then, & this is now. 
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reddeer
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posted on September 30, 2000 09:15:16 PM
BTW - There's one in the completed auctions that still has the pics up. It finished at $610.00 and the seller mentions a small repair/flaw under one of the handles. It was hard to tell by the pics, and perhaps was even a manufacturing flaw?
[ edited by reddeer on Sep 30, 2000 09:15 PM ]
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rarriffle
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posted on October 1, 2000 01:36:23 AM
Good morning to all. I live near Roseville ohio and the reason the more common pieces go for nothing is because of the repros out there. I know many Roseville dealers who got stung buying those. They are very very good reproductions. Therefore, people cannot be sure if they have the real thing or not. A good rare piece goes far beyond book value in this neck of the woods. Good luck with it.
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reddeer
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posted on October 1, 2000 02:10:26 AM
I find it hard to believe that a "Roseville dealer" would be taken in by the modern fakes floating around out there. They're pathetic copies & easy to spot for anyone that has ever handled the real thing.
Here's a good site on Roseville fakes.
http://www.ohioriverpottery.com/roseville_exchange/roseville.html
IMO the reason the common pieces don't do well on eBay, is because there's usually 10-25 of them listed on any given week.
[ edited by reddeer on Oct 1, 2000 02:12 AM ]
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rarriffle
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posted on October 1, 2000 02:29:39 AM
Well reddeer, as I said, these are very good repros. It is now pretty hard to sell to a dealer here unless you have some provenance of the piece. I did not say this is the case everywhere, I am talking here in central Ohio.
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roadsmith
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posted on October 1, 2000 08:42:58 AM
thanks a zillion, everyone. You are most helpful.
About reproductions--The weekly auction I attend here in Utah has had some of those ugly items. I'm told they're coming out of Wyoming or Montana, some kind of boys' school???!! They are plug ugly and very obviously not original so it's easy not to get taken in. If there are better repros out there, that's scary.
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reddeer
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posted on October 1, 2000 09:21:16 AM
Roadsmith ....... If you check out the link I left in my post above, you'll see that the majority of the fakes are being made in Asia.
To a novice collector I could see how it would be confusing telling the fake from the real deal, but to anyone that's handled a number of the older pieces it's very obvious that these pieces are pathetic forgeries. They only look good to someone who has never handled or studied the original mold lines,marks,colours etc. They are very easy to dismiss when viewed by an experianced collector/dealer.
To the best of my knowledge these Asian made fakes are the best on the market at the moment, I know of no USA made copies that have hit the market in the past 5 yrs.
But I'm sure it's possible.
Anyone know of USA made "quality" Roseville fakes out there?
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rarriffle
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posted on October 1, 2000 12:17:27 PM
Yes reddeer, I do. These were made from roseville molds. The story made the front page of paper here last summer. This group sold quite a few to dealers in a 3 day period for quite a bit of money. When the dealers finally got together, because buyers were remarking they had just seen the same pieces up the street, the scam came to light. They never did catch the men who had these pieces. THEY WERE VERY VERY GOOD REPROS!!!
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reddeer
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posted on October 1, 2000 12:37:47 PM
OK, thanks for the info. I'm sure more of those pieces will surface again in the future. Buyer Beware!
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