getkicksonrte66
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posted on October 8, 2000 10:32:19 AM new
Not sure about the rest of you, but all too often I clik on an auction whereby seller has described their item as rare, and its a Pyrex Bowl LOL!!!!! My thought was that rare meant you never if ever see one??? Only thing rare about some sellers rare items is that it's Rare Not To Find One !!
Other thing is the overuse of the word Deco!
Seems like some would not know deco design if it hit um in the face.
Of course I realize not everyone can know everything however for me this just boils down too common sense. Sure theres those that use these words in their listing to attract more potential buyers--but when I clik on their auction all I just end up doing is lmao at their description, and wondering what planet they just fell to earth from.
So am I alone in my thinking, or do others get the same chuckle?
[ edited by getkicksonrte66 on Oct 8, 2000 11:08 AM ]
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virakech
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posted on October 8, 2000 10:40:57 AM new
I think you're mostly right,
but also 'rare' takes up 4 letters on the title line and 'difficult to find' takes up way too much space.
and 'deco' could mean a product from the era, either the first in the early 20th century, or the rebirth in the 50s-60s, and may not have a lot to do with the design (but I think it should)
but sellers do seem to be abusing the words.
I've also seen a whole list of search words included into a description so if someone searches for Care Bears this person's auctions for everything from Strawberry Shortcake to Rainbow Brite is included.
it seems like a game of "made you look!"
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rarriffle
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posted on October 8, 2000 10:43:20 AM new
Some sellers seem to think (mistakenly) that everything they have is rare. There are 14 listed on ebay, I have 2 not listed, but theirs' is rare. LMAO!!!!
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dman3
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posted on October 8, 2000 10:48:17 AM new
getkicksonrte66:
Laugh if you want but the facts are this some Pyrex and Pyrex like bowls and dish are rare.
not the new cheaper glass we buy today at Kmart and walmart the older Pyrex is far heavyer and the Deco or art deco tells you it is from the mid 40, through the 60s it was still out there earily 70s but more mass produced usually deco will have a artsy flower type patern on it some will have french wording of words on it as well.
This stuff is not antique but some of it is rare and I have seen peices sell from $60 and up. yes Pyrex or Pyrex like in looks.
thing to look for though is if the piece says it dish washer or microwave safe this is your frist clue it modern new late 70s to current.
the wording not only attracts more buyer there is actually a market for the older Pyrex peices and the profit isnt to bad if you owned these pieces when they wer new you might have paid $3 to $10 and can get $60 and more for it today from collectors.
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getkicksonrte66
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posted on October 8, 2000 10:51:14 AM new
Virakech >>>>>you stated >>>but also 'rare' takes up 4 letters on the title line and 'difficult to find' takes up way too much space.
Virakech >>> No offense directed at you personally, but Dumb is only 4 letters as well!
How about the word Scarce thats only 5 letters, and alot easier to swallow then Rare!
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Shoshanah
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posted on October 8, 2000 10:55:13 AM new
There is truth to this statement. Many Collectibles are listed as rare, although much of it is still plentiful. However, in the case of Antiques, the terms normally fits the description of the item.
Yes, many Sellers should use more discretion when using the word. When I buy, I do not want to be misled.
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http://members.ebay.com/aboutme/rifkah/
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getkicksonrte66
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posted on October 8, 2000 10:58:13 AM new
dman3 Guess what, I did not just fall from a turnip truck, and I am quite familiar with your Pyrex story as well as what is old vs new. Without getting into specifics on Pyrex, you must admit even if it was from the 40's that still does not make item Rare!Do you really think because a 40's bowl sells for $60.00 thats because it's Rare?? Don't think so---scarce to find perhaps, but rare?? No way Jose!
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Shoshanah
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posted on October 8, 2000 11:01:00 AM new
Sometimes, that one extra letter can take up the space which will make a big difference between an Ordinary listing and an Outstanding one. There used to be more space for Titles. Ebay took care of that...
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rarriffle
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posted on October 8, 2000 11:01:12 AM new
If it is hard to find, okay, use the word rare. When you can find it at every other yard sale you stop at, that is not rare! Figure out the difference and list it correctly. Sucking bidders in to look with false info does not mean more bidders, just more lookers.
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getkicksonrte66
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posted on October 8, 2000 11:19:15 AM new
Just for the heck of it I entered the word Rare into Ebay's search and found thousands of auctions whereby the word Rare was used in their main listing---Now if all these are Rare I'd think Sotheby's, Christie's and other various auction houses would be on a real buying frenzy scooping all these Rare items up!
OOOH well guess they just missed the boat!
Gee I getter back and check on those items HMMMM might be some 16th century Pyrex bowl there! LOL
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dman3
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posted on October 8, 2000 11:39:06 AM new
I dont think this subject is worth getting insulting over.
I think it comes down to this each buyer must know his area of anitques and collectables no one can have a grasp of all categories.
Education is the key to selling your items and getting your price requiers collectors and buyer who also know the Items they collect to set a good and fair price.
The art deco Items as collectables gain there highest popularity in the mid 70s 75 and on.
Movies like American graffiti, Gease , and others TV show of the likes of happy days and Lavern and Shirley and the bicentenial .
many people still to this day decorate there homes businesses and diners in this fashion today right down to the black and white Checker board ceramic tiles to the pink painted bathrooms and sun brust paterned Chrome Paneled walls.
Art deco was a interesting period and it does include cooking utiltys like Pyrex Bowls
Toasters telephones of the era.
before you laugh or insult other members posting to this message board or selling these Items on ebay take time to reasearch and learn about the items before you spend the energy Critiquing or critizeing someone elses sales.
Just because you dont understand something dont mean its stupid or the people running the auction are at all.
I dont at this time sell these types of items but I have been around the antique and collectable, the world of auctions and flea markets most of my life from the time I was 6 years old im well over 40 and I know whats out there and have watch over three decades and have watched as the Antiques and collectables feild has widen over these years I have watched the toys I got for christmas in years gone by turn in to high priced collectable items and many other things as well.
Ignorance its self is not a sign of Inteligents, and I think a big part of the trouble on line auctions are haveing today is there is to many new sellers who truely have no interest in what they sell.
They are just interested in dollars, when I got started in this the number one key to buying and selling is knowing your items and there history.Finding your niche is more then finding the thing no one else is selling just to say you sell on ebay.
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uaru
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posted on October 8, 2000 11:48:01 AM new
Rare is a definitely over used word on eBay. I have no idea how many times I've seen "RARE" attached to a book that I can purchase at Amazon, or even my local Barnes & Noble.
"Honey, I've got 5 spaces left in the title, any ideas?"
"Rare"
You'd think they were asking for a answer to a crossword puzzel.
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dman3
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posted on October 8, 2000 11:52:23 AM new
I do agree that there are word used in listing far to often like RARE, VINTAGE, LQQK, WOW even though it takes up more space I think the word for this era of items would be Nostalgic or Nostalgia This would decribe item from the past in your life time.
And this is a word I use alot in my listings.
Memorabilia is Nostalgic not really rare .
There are even antiques that cant be labled rare .
I wasnt insulted by your comment at all you just asked the opening question.
it was when they started getting into the use of words it seemed to be some insulting but I do under stand that RARE on ebay no longer has much meaning in a search 
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[ edited by dman3 on Oct 8, 2000 11:56 AM ]
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getkicksonrte66
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posted on October 8, 2000 11:52:34 AM new
dman3, If you feel insulted then I apologize. My post responding to what you said was not meant to be insulting, just pointing out that I don't need a 101 lesson on Pyrex & it's values etc., happen to have quite alot of the stuff myself.
Only thing I find insulting is Sellers who continually use the words that do not apply to describe their items-they are insulting mine & others intelligence--
In my original posting of this topic I used PYREX only as a perfect example of how ludicrous the word Rare is being used when describing item. Theres ooodles of more items in a multitude of categories on Ebay claiming to be Rare--
[ edited by getkicksonrte66 on Oct 8, 2000 11:55 AM ]
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whitemist
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posted on October 8, 2000 11:55:42 AM new
I wish threads that were meaningless were RARE
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puppypumoo
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posted on October 8, 2000 12:15:13 PM new
Perhaps there needs to be a redefinition of the words Rare, Scrace etc:
The older books on antiques (from furniture to pewter to glass)have always considered the definition to be:
Unique - one of a kind
Extremely Rare - one or two known examples
Very Rare - 3-5 known examples
Rare - less then 10 known examples
Scarce - less then 25 examples known
Difficult to located - less then 100
With all the newer collectibles and mass produced items being collected today we would need to increase the number and redefine what is rare, scarce. Perhaps the definitions could be posted at the auction sites.
Unfortunately most people who abuse the "RARE" and "SCARCE" in their titles do not care or are new to the business.
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HartCottageQuilts
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posted on October 8, 2000 12:36:50 PM new
the rebirth [of Art Deco] in the 50s-60s
The period you're referring to is known not as Art Deco" but as "mid-century modern" (a/k/a MCM) and they're as different as - well, Bakelite and Lucite. Since it followes Deco, MCM is obviously heavily influenced by it, but it's not at all the same thing.
Art Deco
Mid-century modern
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dman3
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posted on October 8, 2000 01:20:35 PM new
HCQ :
WOW love the pictures
These are definatly two different periods with the same influences There charm for both is in the shape and color.
I like the art deco Textures and material far better then the smooth Material and Straighter lines of MCM.
also I like the Glow of the glass far more then the Opaque florescent look of lucite.
They are different but I see more and more people refering to the MCM as art deco Style then I see it refered to as mid century modern which came to life in the mid to late 50s Through the mid 70s.
in any case love the pictures like a walk through time.add a picture of styles of today . many will notice how moulded and fake mass production has become today you pay top dollars for things they dont even use veneer any more they use cheaper partical board with a plastic contact paper like finish PVC and PET and poly every thing.
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HartCottageQuilts
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posted on October 8, 2000 01:50:39 PM new
Glad you like the pix.
My taste runs to MCM but Hart Cottage is all Mission style and (cringe) "shabby chic" because heck, it's a cottage, we have a menagerie, and things get a beating here - no "ageing" required!
Anyway, in my book, good design=good design, no matter what era; if you are willing to fork over serious bucks you can still get good, new design and quality. (Although I do draw the line at Louis XV.) Heck, you can even get Michael Graves accessories at Target!
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chococake
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posted on October 8, 2000 02:53:16 PM new
This weekend I sold a small old red pyrex bowl for $20.00. The buyer and I both were happy.
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reddeer
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posted on October 8, 2000 03:03:03 PM new
I consider anything rare, than can only be found on eBay, in my listings that week.
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mcjane
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posted on October 8, 2000 03:31:49 PM new
If you find something at a flea mkt, garage sale, auction etc & there is not one on eBay.....It's probably rare !!!
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jema
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posted on October 8, 2000 04:14:02 PM new
I often see CDs listed on Ebay as "rare", when they are readily available on CDNow or Amazon! What are these sellers thinking?
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fountainhouse
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posted on October 8, 2000 05:56:44 PM new
If you find something at a flea mkt, garage sale, auction etc & there is not one on eBay.....It's probably rare !!!
mcjane, a year ago your statement held some truth. Today, unfortunately, it isn't at all the case.
The fact that a particularly object isn't represented in either active or closed auction listings can either mean 1) it is a scarcity; or 2) sellers simply stopped listing it because it wasn't worth their time/effort, as in too little return for their trouble.
Unfortunately, on today's ebay, it's usually scenario #2.
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lalatte
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posted on October 8, 2000 06:26:18 PM new
I guess the over used words "ANTIQUE" AND "VINTAGE" fall into the same category. I recently saw some NSYNC (i think thats how you spell it) items as being ANTIQUE and VINTAGE. I am 37...and about the right age that I could be the mother to most of the NSYNC band. Now if something of theirs is ANTIQUE (which use to mean 50+ years old)...then by golly, I best be getting myself a walker (i'm sure i can find one on ebay that is RARE) cuz that would mean that I am ANTIQUE.....i already knew i was rare..but ANTIQUE AND VINTAGE?!!! i YI YI YI
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mcjane
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posted on October 8, 2000 06:58:53 PM new
Fountainhouse, I was 3/4 serious & 1/4 kidding. Statement #2 makes a lot of sense.
I am fairly new to selling & bow to your superior knowledge because I know you are right.
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GEMINSPECTOR
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posted on October 9, 2000 04:44:20 AM new
I was under the impression that "antique" is used to describe items 100+ yrs. old (except automobiles, which is 50 yrs., 25 for collectible)
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HartCottageQuilts
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posted on October 9, 2000 04:49:00 AM new
That's the rule only if you're a Customs inspector In the rest of the world, apparently anything goes.
I have stopped counting the "antique" poly doubleknit quilts listed on ebay. Guess they're not are "rare" as their sellers claim, huh.
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