posted on October 10, 2000 02:14:39 PM new
Why not?
This guy has been dancing around since he won my auction in late August. He finally promised last week to send a payment, which never arrived. I gave him plenty of reminders and a polite final warning.
I filed my FVF and went to leave negative feedback. AND I CANNOT BECAUSE HE IS NARU! It shouldn't make a difference if he is NARU or not. He earned his negative feedback.
Who at eBay comes up with these rules? They end up protecting the dead beats, not the seller!
posted on October 10, 2000 02:17:12 PM new
When I leave someone a NEG I hope it counts towards getting them NARU'D - so what's the difference if the person before you had the "last straw" to get him NARU'd? Another NEG on his profile won't make a bit of difference if he's NARU'd.
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posted on October 10, 2000 02:20:58 PM new
valerie47...I was just looking at eBay's rules and they say a person can't be NARU unless they are a -4 feedback.
Otherwise, they get NARUs for FVF credits against them. The NARU isn't always permanent, either. They can be suspended for only 30 days. So if this dead beat gets his status back, he can go on merrily bidding with no consequences. By that time, too many days have passed for me to leave him the neg he deserves.
posted on October 10, 2000 02:21:12 PM new
Put it this way; does a neg make a whit of a difference to a NARU? Nope.
I know, it's satisfying to leave a neg to someone who burned you. Hey, I had a guy bounce a check who wouldn't make good on it and I couldn't leave a neg because he was already NARUd.
posted on October 10, 2000 02:23:38 PM new
mzalez:
There is no rule on how many days you can leave feedback for a person. It used to be 60 but ebay changed that. If this person is NARU'D for only 30 days - keep the item number of the item they bid on that you are Negging them for. If they become registered again enter that item # and if ebay hasn't deleted the auction yet you can still leave him his well deserved NEG.
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posted on October 10, 2000 02:23:59 PM new
jamesoblivion, yes it is personally satisfying to leave this guy a neg. But the main point of leaving a neg is to warn others about this guy's dead beat bidder habits. He gets away scott free on this auction if he ever gets unNARUed.
UnNARUed, deNARUed, is that the right verb or what?
posted on October 10, 2000 02:27:47 PM new
valerie47, thanks for that bit of information. Someone had mentioned that part about leaving feedback AFTER 30 days, but I never used it and forgot about it.
Do you know what the maximum length of time allowed for leaving a neg? Because after 60 days, the auction is no longer in the system. I'm coming up on the 60 days, that would be in late October.
posted on October 10, 2000 03:05:14 PM new
Thanks Glenda. I guess the 90 days is the maximum limit for leaving feedback. After that the auction flies off into cyberspace.
Rosiebud, I'd been in the habit of doing the FVF first, because it seems the buyer fears the negative feedback the most--it's out there for all to see. But I see your point.
posted on October 10, 2000 10:31:03 PM new
90 days now not 60!
I had a seller who went Naru and I had a heck of a time getting my merchandise. I finally received my merchandise -(said I would report him to the Internet Fraud Complaint Center if he didn't send my stuff)
So this seller had no negative feedback, gets suspended for a short time, buyers can't leave negative feedback (he has over 500 positive and no negs)and when he came off of suspension it was too late for any of the buyers to leave feedback. He is up and running and new buyers don't even know that he was suspended!
posted on October 10, 2000 10:52:40 PM new
Yeah Kelly, it's not right. How can others be warned about someone like this? They have to find out the hard way I guess.
I'm going to be trying to leave a neg on this guy for the next 30 days. That's when the 90 day limit comes up.
This is a problem with the way the eBay system works for feedback.
posted on October 11, 2000 03:40:44 AM new
Hi - I emailed eBay once about this problem, because someone who richly deserved a neg from me was suddenly suspended, apparently for 30 days. By the time her suspension was lifted, I could not leave the feedback.
I suggested that when a user is suspended, that any feedback they get (pos or neg) be "stored" until the suspension is lifted, and then be posted at that time. I received an email stating that it would be brought up for discussion. I wouldn't bet that it WAS discussed, but if enough people asked for it, it might be.
It is my understanding that it is possible to request that your account be temporarily suspended; theoretically, a user expecting some nasty negs could have their account put on hold until it was too late for the negs to be posted.
Also - I don't think you are going to be able to post feedback up to 90 days after the EOA. Even though there is the button for finding those auctions, my experience is that most of them are not still in the system.
posted on October 11, 2000 08:50:07 AM new
How about this? If everyone with this complaint emails eBay once a week, maybe, perhaps, possibly, they'll get tired of getting the emails and change the policy.
Make the emails, professional and concise, and point out how the feedback system, while in general a good system, does have this one flaw. (There's others, but this is the topic here.) And indeed penalizes users in good standing while benefitting suspended ones.
If you want to suggest that NPB's also get their cc's dinged for 25c-2.00 listing fees, that would be cool too.
posted on October 11, 2000 08:59:32 AM new
This is one reason I believe that keeping a short account with bidders woks. If I have a non-paying bidder, I have found that all the excuses aren't worth spit. File an NPB and collect, leave neg feedback not later than 30 days out. Anyone who hasn't paid in two or three weeks isn't going to have a change of heart IMHO.
posted on October 11, 2000 12:02:45 PM new
Only my second post to AW, so bear with me...
Actually, I was frustrated by this in the opposite direction -- I wanted to leave the guy a *Positive* feedback...
I won an auction back in April, had great communication with the seller early on and Paypalled the money to him. Seller responded, saying he received the payment, but I never received the merchandise. Then, the seller fell off the planet. No contact with anyone, didn't answer the phone, etc. I contacted SafeHarbor and he was NARUed, but didn't leave a neg. I figured he was racking up so many, I could afford to wait and figure out what was going on (and there were a *lot* of other PO'ed people leaving negs)...
Now, maybe I'm naive (yeah, yeah, don't say it ), but eventually the seller did respond. Apparently, he'd had health problems and was finally able to get to his auctions. He sent me the merchandise AND Paypalled me back the money I sent (I'd have been a bit more skeptical about the health problems if he hadn't sent me the refund in addition to the merchandise). I wanted to send in a feedback that reflected this, but couldn't do it...
He's still NARU to this day... hope he's feeling better.
Just to put in a vote for those bad transactions that actually make good...
posted on October 11, 2000 12:16:39 PM new
kudzurose--don't give the deadbeats any new ideas! Probably some are doing that anyway...temporarily suspending themselves to avoid negative feedback...
havnfunn--the squeaky wheels get the grease. Your post inspires me to write eBay about this guy.
mballai--yeah, I've got to quit giving these deadbeats so much time to pay. 60 days is waaayyy to long.
monkeyhouse--I had that happen once, too. I had a very nice buyer who paid promptly. When I tried to post good feedback for her, the system wouldn't allow it because she was NARU. I wrote her to tell her about it, and she said she was NARU because eBay could not verify her contact phone number. I never did get to leave her the good feedback she earned.
Hey, I had a guy bounce a check who wouldn't make good on it and I couldn't leave a neg because he was already NARUd.