CarrieKirby
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posted on January 17, 2001 03:16:55 PM
Hi, I'm a reporter working on a behind-the-scenes story about eBay's cooperation with law enforcement authorities from various agencies, form the us postal inspectors to consumer products safety. i'd like to talk to some users to see how they feel about ebay working so closely with this organizations -- is this a violation of your privacy since it's not all spelled out in the privacy policy, or is it all good because it protects you from fraud? if anyone lives in the san francisco bay area and has strong views about this, i'd love to get on the phone with you.
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Crystalline_Sliver
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posted on January 17, 2001 03:38:04 PM
Read George Orwell's book 1984.
That's my response in a nutshell.
:\\\"Crystalline Sliver cannot be the target of spells or abilities.
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CarrieKirby
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posted on January 17, 2001 03:39:09 PM
so you feel that ebay is too invasive? want to elaborate on what exactly bothers you?
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reddeer
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posted on January 17, 2001 03:41:32 PM
eBay's Privacy Policy seems crystal clear to me. Have you read it?
http://pages.ebay.com/help/community/png-priv.html
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CarrieKirby
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posted on January 17, 2001 03:44:56 PM
yes, i've read it but i've also interviewed their assistant general counsel and i think some of their activities are not really spelled out in the privacy policy
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MRBucks
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posted on January 17, 2001 03:48:10 PM
Much too much government in our daily lives now...
'Everybodys business' is 'Nobodys business'..
Every time those boys in DC get involved with anything, we must give up a little more freedom.
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Empires
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posted on January 17, 2001 03:52:12 PM
CarrieKirby- Which part of ebay's forms do you not agree with? And, remember-government is only big because we the citizens allow it to be. Don't be real concerned.
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Crystalline_Sliver
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posted on January 17, 2001 03:53:04 PM
Actually, theres a limit to invasiveness.
I agree to have my info disclosed to Law Enforcement Officials, but sometimes I worry HOW they disclose or use that info.
VERO and the recent privacy debacle eBay did has to be the sticky points for me right now. I mean, if they can allow people to weild power that clearly violates the Digital Millenium Copyright Act and do something to a major part of their consumer base without us knowing about it, I have to call into question HOW they use my info sometimes, even if it might involve Law Enforcement.
Just my opinion, you don't have to agree or not.
:\\\"Crystalline Sliver cannot be the target of spells or abilities.
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sharkbaby
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posted on January 17, 2001 03:54:45 PM
I seriously doubt that CONCERN is her motivation.
It wouldn't behoove any person to involve themself in this one!
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kudzurose
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posted on January 17, 2001 03:55:58 PM
I don't feel that it poses any threat to me. I see a lot of (what I believe is) fraud on eBay; how else is it going to be stopped?
And what large (or small) company does NOT cooperate with the USPS Inspectors, consumer products safety people, etc.?
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kerryann
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posted on January 17, 2001 03:59:44 PM
Just curious. Is this a freelance piece or have you been commissioned by a mag or paper to write the story? Can you say what publication it is for or are you simply doing this to submit it to various pubs on spec?
Not Kerryann on eBay
sheesh
[ edited by kerryann on Jan 17, 2001 04:01 PM ]
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CarrieKirby
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posted on January 17, 2001 04:01:39 PM
actually i would like to talk with an ebay user one-on-one about some specific ways that ebay works with the authorities. but also i appreciate these comments to get a feel for whehter the average user feels more strongly about keeping everything safe and legal or about privacy of their personal information. anyone want to be interviewed one-on-one about this? it's for the san francisco chronicle.
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CarrieKirby
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posted on January 17, 2001 04:02:45 PM
kerryanne: i'm a staff technology reporter for the chronicle. this is for this coming sunday's newspaper.
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CarrieKirby
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posted on January 17, 2001 04:02:52 PM
kerryanne: i'm a staff technology reporter for the chronicle. this is for this coming sunday's newspaper.
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CarrieKirby
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posted on January 17, 2001 04:03:24 PM
whoops didn't mean to post that twice
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abacaxi
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posted on January 17, 2001 04:12:04 PM
Carrie ... And what publication do you work for and what is your editor's name?
"i've also interviewed their assistant general counsel and i think some of their activities are not really spelled out in the privacy policy "
Well, one of their doofuses said a LONG time ago in an interview about fraud on eBay that he'd hand over anything any law enforcement person asked for ... which means any defense attorney could probably get it thrown out of court for not having a proper subpoena. Is that what you mean?
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CarrieKirby
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posted on January 17, 2001 04:29:29 PM
like I said, it's the san francisco chronicle. my editor is marcus chan, technology editor.
yes, handing things over to law enforcement without subpoenas is one of the things i'd like to talk about.
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CarrieKirby
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posted on January 17, 2001 04:30:00 PM
the subpoena thing is certainly the most controversial. by the way where did you read that interview, if you can remember?
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abacaxi
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posted on January 17, 2001 05:09:01 PM
The "I'll give them anything they ask for" remark was from Robert Chestnutt (?) in an interview that was published online.
And I think it was about the time of the fraudulent Diebenkorn painting auction ... and might have been in one of the articles that auction spawned.
that's all I remember, but if you're an investigative reporter, you should be able to use a search engine and find it.
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twinsoft
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posted on January 17, 2001 05:15:24 PM
CarrieKirby, I live in Mountain View and I'd be happy to chat with you if you'd like. Send me an email at [email protected] and I'll provide you with my phone number. Steve
[ edited by twinsoft on Jan 17, 2001 05:16 PM ]
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horizonod
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posted on January 17, 2001 05:18:35 PM
"Our government is only as big as we allow it to be" ???!!!<P>PPPPPPPPPLLLLLLLLLLEEEEEEEEEEEAAAAAAAAASSSSSSSSSEEEEEEEEEE get a clue.
Our government has not been "of the people, by the people and FOR the people" for a LONG LONG TIME.
The US is a corporation run by lawyers that pervert and complicate the system for their own gain. We are just worker bees.
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CarrieKirby
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posted on January 17, 2001 05:29:39 PM
abacaxi, thanks, i'll look it up. i interviewed the same guy.
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gravid
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posted on January 17, 2001 08:08:03 PM
"Our government is only as big as we allow it to be"
Must be a High School civics teacher.
[ edited by gravid on Jan 17, 2001 08:20 PM ]
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traceyg
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posted on January 17, 2001 08:09:04 PM
Well,
let me see I just got bought a CD from an auction. Photoshop 5.5. It turns out it is a bootleg copy. A very badly made and easily identified bootleg copy. Now I buy this on Ebay but Yahoo. I think I would have had a little more I could have done about it if they guy were selling on Ebay. I didn't of course think I was buying a bootleg copy but a used copy after someone upgrade to the 6.0 version.
Anyway I would love to see this guy get busted. Especially since her lives in the states and takes US postal money orders but uses and Canada address to send the money to and to send the CD from looks like a work address. The government and Ebay are trying to crack down on these people and I think it is good to a certain point.
I will report and turn over all the information I have to adobe, they make Photoshop but I sure wish I would have bought it on Ebay because they do seem to look into things like this more then the other sites.
As both a seller and a buyer I want the crooks off line if a little privacy is given up to get that I am not that hot on the idea but I will give it up to make on line shopping safe.
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Pocono
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posted on January 17, 2001 08:55:59 PM
Anyone that says giving up even a minute bit more of the thread of privacy we have left is ok, really needs to seek therapy.
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mrssantaclaus
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posted on January 17, 2001 09:14:43 PM
Depends on what you are selling/buying
Movie screener? Leave it to VERO
Not authentic autograph? Leave it to the person
One illegal CD? Smack their hand - HARD
357 illegal CD's? Bust 'em!
Kiddie Porn? Cut their weenie off!
(Make sure you do the last one in very thin slices - very slowly and pour pickle juice on it as you go.)
'Nuff said!
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mrssantaclaus
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posted on January 17, 2001 09:17:01 PM
Oh - warm that pickle juice up a little bit first. Wouldn't want it to be cold and act as a numbing agent!
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wildanteeker
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posted on January 17, 2001 09:24:46 PM
What privacy are you losing anyway?When you buy or sell you are giving out your address to someone you don't even know?Any member can get your personal information at the click of a mouse button.The entire world can keep track of what you sell every week.
That is a joke to say you even have privacy on eBay or even the internet in general.If someone is doing a criminal activity on the Internet or eBay they should be prosecuted.Let them chase these guys as they will anyway.But if you think they are going to see something about you or me in the process, what really is there to know that they cannot find out anyway?No wonder these people get away with this activity,the system that is set up to protect the public can't enforce it anyway because of our privacy?Just my opinion but when you sign up for eBay you have no privacy in that community anyway so what is the difference?
I personally hope they do start to go after more of these types of criminals in hopes that it will clear up these problems.It only makes the public a little more nervous about buying online when they hear these stories about fraud which in turn only hurts the legitimate sellers.I hope they kick them off as fast as they sign up!
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[ edited by wildanteeker on Jan 17, 2001 09:27 PM ]
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deco100
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posted on January 18, 2001 03:06:27 AM
Ditto!
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cix
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posted on January 18, 2001 03:16:02 AM
I am sure ebay will raise their fees again to cover the cost of investigations or to pay law enforcement agencies to follow up on things.
If you do not mind giving up a little privacy, how about giving up more money ?
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