mrhaneys2001
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posted on February 21, 2001 03:36:02 AM
I can't beleive all the folks who are mad about selling Dale items. I guess they accept stones and shells as payment because they don't want to accept pieces of paper that depict DEAD presidents and statesman because that would be terrible to dishonor these great dead people.
Get a grip people, did these sellers drive Dale into the wall?
How many of these people complaining would sell a Van Gogh that they found at a yard sale and profit from his death? ALL OF THEM!!
Hypocrites every last one of them.
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yeager
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posted on February 21, 2001 04:24:38 AM
The more people sell, the more wholesalers sell, and when they sell, the Earnhardt and NASCAR name make money. Simple business.
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pettytyrant
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posted on February 21, 2001 05:25:33 AM
http://home.kc.rr.com/tesla/earnhardt3.jpg
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kolonel22
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posted on February 21, 2001 07:36:28 AM
It really doesn’t bother me that people are making money off of someone else’s misfortune. What get me is on the local news here in Phoenix, AZ they showed people lining up (and I do mean waiting in lines) at local racetrack stores and places that sell Earnhardt memorabilia. These so-called fans were telling the reporter how much Earnhardt’s death touched them and they just wanted something to remember him by.
Then you start looking in the local paper, on the Internet, and on eBay and see all this merchandise selling at exorbitant prices. Heck if you think about it the prices have to be exorbitant, especially if you bought the stuff at retail to begin with. Just makes you wonder how many of these so called fans were standing in line just to have something to remember their favorite NASCAR driver by or who were spending the time there hoping to make a buck off of someone’s tragedy. Does the word hypocrite come to mind. It does for me.
I guess no one would have the gumption to tell a reporter or anyone else for that matter they are there to buy up as much Earnhardt memorabilia that they can so they can resell the stuff for as much as they can possibly get for it and make a killing while the "iron is still hot" so to speak.
Heath & Happiness
"The Colonel"
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auctionqueenie
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posted on February 21, 2001 07:44:11 AM
Just think though, why wouldn't this impact people's lives?? People sat in their homes and watched someone die right in front of them on their television.
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mrhaneys2001
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posted on February 21, 2001 09:39:30 AM
Auctionqueenie - People die on television everynight on the news. What about the earthquake in India? Tens of thousands died, and we got to see it on TV. Remember WACO Texas? Got to see people die there too.
But none of this has to do with the original post. Isn't selling a Van Gogh or Monet capitalizing on someones death? But you don't hear people complaining about that.
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taz8057
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posted on February 21, 2001 09:40:56 AM
I think there was another post on this earlier.
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auctionqueenie
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posted on February 21, 2001 12:38:47 PM
We may see afterfootage on the news. It's not the same thing. People are alerted via announcements on what's next on the news. People sat down to watch a race for fun. They weren't expecting to see someone get killed. And they saw it while it was happening. That makes a big difference.
If you were sitting on your front porch and saw someone get killed wouldn't that upset you more than hearing about it later through another source? Of course, because witnessing and hearing about it have different emotional reactions.
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Cyanide
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posted on February 21, 2001 01:38:42 PM
Interesting question.
They always said an artists work is worth more(or become famous) when they’re dead. Is it capitalizing, yeah maybe alittle. But lets look at it from a different angle. Normally it is the original hand painted piece that is sold for an ungodly amount of money. Why? Well for one since the artist is dead, however many paintings are out there will be it thats done by his own hands. So that ups the price because it is one of a kind. Now most of these artists were around before our time. So if it weren’t for repo's, prints, books, t-shirts etc.., we wouldn't know much at all about the artist’s artwork unless you went to that ONE museum that might happen to have one of their pieces displayed. Now as for Earnhardt, what would be original to up the price? I could see his car going for a pretty penny. But that's about it. As for t-shirts, model cars, whatever, going up in price because of his death, I would consider that capitalizing.
Anybody want to bid on Van Gough's ear?
I'm starting the bid at 10,000,000.00.
[ edited by Cyanide on Feb 21, 2001 01:39 PM ]
[ edited by Cyanide on Feb 21, 2001 01:45 PM ]
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novagoldangle
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posted on February 22, 2001 02:07:32 AM
Auctionqueenie: This is going to sound harsh but if truth be known those races are a bloodsport. At least half of the people, at least the ones that might admit it, are there to see a car crash and maybe a death. Humans still love this sort of thing. When I used to go to stock car races years ago, I saw "excitement" at the possibility of a big wreck and if it didn't happen there was an air of disappointment I could feel in the crowd. I finally realized that I wanted to see this as well and never felt like I got a good show unless someone cracked up, so I stopped going because I didn't feel very civilized. If they brought back real Gladiator games the stands would be FULL!!
Think of all the action figures we could sell on
Ebay.
Sorry this got OT.
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mrhaneys2001
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posted on February 22, 2001 03:40:02 AM
After the fact?
Do you not watch the news? Do you not see the LIVE footage of police chases, shootouts, riots etc.? Look at how popular the reality shows have become. FOX always plays COPS, Greatest chases and the like. Why do they show this? Because the American people want to see something exciting. I can't even count the number of times I have seen a suspect gunned down on the news.
Like the previous post stated, people go and watch races to see a crash. The networks that show the races love when a crash happens. How often do you see sports highlights of races and the main focus is on crashes?
People capitalize on death all the time. How many eBayers just love going to Estate sales to get items to sell? Shouldn't this be regarded as a terrible thing? Just because they didn't watch that person die though makes it OK. And these are probably the same folks complaining about Earnhardt stuff being sold. See the hypocrisy?
BTW I have had a person that I worked with die in my arms. That was very traumatic. It is a big difference from what happened to Earnhardt. People saw him crash. No one really saw him die. Race fans didn't even know until later that night or the next day.
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mrssantaclaus
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posted on February 22, 2001 10:26:55 AM
Yesterday I had a customer from my retail store come in and ask me to list some Dale Earnhardt items for him. He was willing to give me 10% for doing it for him.
Yeah, right. I was able to show him that there were multiple listings of each of the three items he had, all with bids of less than $5.
He couldn't believe it is actually work to list things on eBay - thought you just clicked a button and it was done.
Yeah, right ......
BECKY
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novagoldangle
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posted on February 22, 2001 02:15:59 PM
mrhaney2001
I knew he was gone when they didn't take him from the track using the helicopter that is always there to rush major injuries to Halifax Hospital. I don't think they ever call codes on the track anymore.
I am sure Dale is 100% complimented that so many people want to buy something of his as a remembrance...I think he knows!!
I've seen other real ghastly things on Ebay like Bestiality which I reported and I never report people but THAT was illegal. It is a good thing to be upset about the things like that which sneak on now and then.
AuctionQueenie: I am a female so I know where your heart is and why it hurts you to see these things up for auction now but try and remember how many people loved Dale and would like something to remember him by.
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auctionqueenie
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posted on February 22, 2001 02:47:38 PM
I'm not hurt by seeing his stuff on auction. I'm hurt by the apparent unappreciation for human life that some people are displaying (not by auctioning off his stuff, but by assuming everyone is going to a sports event just to see someone get injured or killed for example).
I've been buying a few items for my mom. She's a big racing fan. She's never seen anyone killed on the racing track before this. She was watching the race when it happened, and she's been very upset.
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bhearsch
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posted on February 22, 2001 02:59:15 PM
pettytyrant, I hope you don't mind my posting your photo - I had to compress it quite a bit for fast loading.
A picture really is worth a thousand words. I know my opinion is in the minority here but I really think a period of mourning would have been the proper way for the fans to show their respect and admiration BEFORE the hawking of the memorabilia. I felt the same way when John Kennedy Jr. died.
Blanche
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RainyBear
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posted on February 22, 2001 03:17:05 PM
novagoldangle -
At least half of the people, at least the ones that might admit it, are there to see a car crash and maybe a death.
I have to disagree with you there. People like to see crashes -- the more spectacular the better -- because it's exciting to watch. Just like fights in hockey. But only a very small minorty of spectators actually want to see someone die out there. Most people want entertainment, not blood.
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mrhaneys2001
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posted on February 23, 2001 10:02:36 AM
It seems everyone is skirting around the topic. Why is it bad to sell Dale items but perfectly OK for sellers to swarm into an Estate Sale like vultures?
Anyone?
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bhearsch
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posted on February 23, 2001 03:20:58 PM
Hello mrhaneys2001. The issue for me is the TIMING on the Dale items being sold, NOT that they shouldn't be sold. Everyone certainly has a right to sell these items whenever they wish but from my point of view it would be more "respectful" to at least wait until Earnhardt is buried instead of rushing to list on eBay as soon as his death is announced. The frenzy and urgency of the listings is the thing I find distasteful because it reeks of "profit motive" and not "admiring fan motive".
The deceased owner of items for sale in an estate sale has been dead and buried for some time before the actual sale began so I really don't see your comparison.
But, that's just my opinion and I don't think it's a very popular one. 
Blanche
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simco
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posted on February 23, 2001 05:02:19 PM
bhearsch
Just thought I'd let you know that I agree with you in that it seems 'distastful' or 'disrespecting'. But after thinking it thru...Earnhardt was a popular character and his 'stuff' has always sold well. I'm sure it didn't bother him while he was alive. It's sort of like a monument to him---the frenzy, I mean. Dale chose his line of work and each race meant possible death in the public eye, he knew that, as every public person knows. I feel he died with honor doing something he loved, and what better way to go--at least he thought so, it was his choice. So sell while prices are good! It will honor him. What is hard for me to sell is ball cards with alleged criminals on them!
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mrhaneys2001
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posted on February 23, 2001 05:03:40 PM
Bhearsch -
Good Point! And beleive it or not, I agree with you. I was trying to get someone to voice something like this instead of just saying how wrong it is to sell the stuff. That is why I made the comparision with the Estate Sales. I just wanted folks to understand that just shouting about how wrong it was without fully explaining why would be the same as people attending Estate Sales and pepole thinking nothing of it.
I don't condem the folks selling the stuff as they have every right to try to get whatever they can, but I do agree that the timing may not have been the best.
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pettytyrant
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posted on February 23, 2001 10:19:19 PM
bhearsch-- I don't mind. I'm glad to see that there are others that share my viewpoint. I think the picture says it all.
Besides, the items should probably be held a few years to realize any kind of appreciation (if any... ever) Probably most of the items will close with 0 bids anyway.
[ edited by pettytyrant on Feb 23, 2001 10:19 PM ]
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novagoldangle
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posted on February 24, 2001 08:18:19 AM
Auctionqueenie:
Please reread my post, I stated that 1/2 of the people liked to see accidents not ALL of them. If people didn't love it they never would have created demolition derbys where they intentional smash into each other until the car they are in simply won't run. I can remember years ago when they used to build cars like tanks..when they had bad crack ups they were really bad...whole pieces of the cars would go flying through the air...I mean like an entire front axle with the wheels still attached flying through the air...in those days even the fans were killed.
I was not a Dale fan, I felt he drove a little too rough. (They didn't call this guy "The Intimator" for nothing) BUT I still cried when I observed that he wasn't taken by helicopter because I knew he was gone. My own personal feels are that father's and their young son's shouldn't be driving on the same track at the same time. A driver needs to be paying 100% attention when he's going 200 miles an hour..so put someone you love as much as your own life is on the track with them..both of them are going to be distracted by worry about each other. I don't think this is a good idea and I believe it may have caused the accident to be much worse then it might have been. After all Dale's son was right in front of him. This has happened to other people for the same reason..sons and fathers have died on the same track for years and I don't know why the promoters haven't figured it out yet!!!
My SO has some Dale things and he hasn't put anything on Ebay, instead what he did was put some old Daytona 500 programs on and Dale isn't in one of them.
Please don't think I'm a nasty old witch, I have a tender heart and that's why I cried even when it was someone I didn't care for.
Now I best get off this subject or this thread is going to be locked for being OT.
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