jenndiggy1
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posted on February 22, 2001 05:53:46 PM
I do not take paypal, Sam I am. I do not take it for a box, I do not take it for some rocks. I do not take Paypal in on ebay, so why do people send it anyway?
I had 151 auctions last month. Not one person paypaled me. In 15 auctions that closed last night, I had two people paypal me. I thought in the 1980s and 1990s we learned "No means No."
Is there anyway I can send the money back to the buyers without setting up an account?
What are my chances of getting paid by sellers who won't follow my terms of service?
Don't they know that when they send me money that I am NOT a paypal user? Doesn't it say so?
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sharkbaby
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posted on February 22, 2001 05:58:39 PM
I believe that ExecutiveGirl is the expert on that question!
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uaru
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posted on February 22, 2001 06:15:28 PM
Is there anyway I can send the money back to the buyers without setting up an account?
The buyers can cancel those PayPal payments as long as you don't have an account. Write them and pleasantly tell them you can't collect those payments you don't have a PayPal account or plan to get one and they must cancel those payments and accept the terms of your auction.
If pleasant doesn't work then you can use what ever means you choose.
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paypaldamon
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posted on February 22, 2001 07:01:33 PM
Hi,
As long as you have not collected the payments into an account the sender can cancel the payment. All payments belong to the sender until they are claimed by the recipient.
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taz8057
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posted on February 22, 2001 09:36:14 PM
Why not make it easy for the bidder. Why don't you accept paypal?
-Trey
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tomwiii
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posted on February 23, 2001 02:34:14 AM
Make it easy -- put this in your listings:
"I do NOT accept PayPal for AUCTIONS -- however, I DO accept PayPal for contributions to my favorite charity:
UNCLE TOM'S SCHOOL FOR WAYWARD & ABUSED FORMER MONKEY-PORN STARS
Therefore, if anybody PAYPALS me money, I will ASSUME that it is a charitable donation & NOT an auction payment! UNCLE TOM & his SCHOOL THANKS YOU FOR YOUR DONATION!"
[ edited by tomwiii on Feb 23, 2001 02:35 AM ]
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paintpower
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posted on February 23, 2001 05:11:06 AM
This is happening to me as well. I had 3 or 4 buyers from February try to PayPal me when nowhere in my auction or my EOA email does it state I take PayPal. They ASSUME! (and we all know where that gets you). They figure just because they PayPal the whole world PayPals. NOT! My chief complaint about buyers doing this is that it delays my payment!! Now I have to email them back stating I don't take PayPal and thus my payment is probably delayed by several days. PayPal should simply reject any emails entered by the buyer if it does not match a current valid PayPal account. A simple "Sorry, not a registered user" will suffice. Also buyers need to learn to READ and FOLLOW DIRECTIONS!
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Mikecol
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posted on February 23, 2001 05:44:02 AM
paypaldamon
What I would like to know is why a parasite service like paypal does not inform their members when they attempt to pay some one who has not signed up for your service.
My feelings are you are letting your members spam me. Surely playpal has to know where they are not wanted. I myself have declined your service since it's inception, yes when paypal was spamming me I declined. So now you let your members do it for you.
"RE: NO PAYPAL! But why do they keep sending me money!"
So if you would please answer the above question and please quit sending me e-mail, I don't want it.
edited because I hit the wrong key.
[ edited by Mikecol on Feb 23, 2001 05:51 AM ]
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ryinn
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posted on February 23, 2001 06:29:15 AM
Gosh!
Sounds like you have discovered that I have this year. A new pack of eBay buyers that are just plain STUPID! Where did they come from?
I think you are right to be upset. How foolish of them to send a Paypal payment to someone that doesn't not mention accepting it for payment. Would you try and force an American Express card on a store or restaurant that doesn't accept it? NO. There is no difference.
I have found that via the fact that so many eBay sellers accept Paypal people are coming to assume that ALL eBay sellers accept it these days. This could spell trouble.
I would refuse the payments just to teach these people how to read! Sounds like you can do that from the advice above.
But, I'll be honest here too. I can't stand waiting for checks and money orders anymore (people takes weeks to mail them!) and have found that living with the evil Paypal and Billpoint is the fastest way to get my money and be done with the transaction.
Do you offer Billpoint or another electronic means of payment?
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unknown
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posted on February 23, 2001 07:39:44 AM
Here's a plan.
1)Set up a new Web mail account. Hotmail, Yahoo or whatever. With an account like [email protected]
2)Set up a free we page with Yahoo/Geocities or whatever service. Make the web page say something ridiculous about protecting the rights of bugs. Mention that you accept donations via paypal. And donations are non-refundable, and not tax deductable.
3)Set up a paypal account using the web mail account as the primary. Use "Bugs Have Rights" as the name on the account.
4)Add your EBay email address as a secondary Email address. The money people sent you will then be immediately deposited.
5)Send a thank you email from the Web mail account to the contributors. Point them to the web site. State that the lives of 100 million roaches have been saved because of thier generous, non-refundable donation.
6)If they complain to your Ebay email account, state that you have no PayPal account, be hostile and demand payment.
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ExecutiveGirl
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posted on February 23, 2001 08:10:22 AM
Hello Sharkbaby!  And yes, I'm way too familiar with this topic...(unfortunately)..
Paypal sucks. Plain and simple. I had over 1000 transactions with them until I closed my account with them in November (good riddens).
I have tried EVERYTHING and still get the stupid, annoying "you've got cash!" emails on a weekly basis.
I've tried not mentioning Paypal in my auctions. I've tried saying NO PAYPAL in my auctions. I've put NO PAYPAL in my EOA emails. Nothing works.
Right now I'm doing the "NO PAYPAL" logo scrolling across my auctions and below another "NO PAYPAL" logo and stating WHY I don't accept it.
Think it works?
Nope. I still get the emails "You've got cash!" or... "Do you take Paypal?"
I now respond to those bidders with a long email explaning why it's dangerous to use Paypal (how can that email be anything BUT long?? the stories are endless).
After that email I send them, I average about 3 people per week who basically say "yikes! I'm closing my account - I had no idea! Thanks for letting me know!" and then they sign up with one of the more reputable services.
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ExecutiveGirl
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posted on February 23, 2001 08:17:23 AM
Here is an issue for PaypalDamon:
A few weeks ago there was a thread about closing a Paypal account.
When you go to close your paypal account you get this message:
Close Account
If you close your account you will not be able to reopen it or open another account. All unclaimed payments and pending money requests will be automatically canceled. A check for the balance of your account minus applicable fees will be sent to your street address.
Now, the issue here is that many of us have closed our accounts and have been told that we CANNOT REOPEN OR OPEN ANY OTHER ACCOUNT through Paypal. Ok, no big deal - we don't intend to. However, after being told that we CAN'T open another account, we get emails saying "You've got CASH!" and in that email it says to retrieve our money, we have to sign up with Paypal and open an account.
If we can't open an account - why do we continue to get these stupid emails?
You also said several weeks ago that this was going to be changed on the Paypal site. But I just signed on with a friend's email address and it's still there.
Which is it? An honest answer from Paypal would really be nice.
(I really can't stand when someone says they are going to do something and they don't do it....)
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paypaldamon
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posted on February 23, 2001 01:03:51 PM
Hi ExecutiveGirl,
Users that have left the service in good standing are more than welcome to open a new account. Product and the Design team are working to correct the wording on the web site.
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auctionqueenie
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posted on February 23, 2001 01:09:13 PM
kinda hard to create a wording error like that??
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unknown
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posted on February 23, 2001 01:58:34 PM
Since PayPaldamon is watching I'll ask this:
Why can't a person program an email address he owns to refuse all paypal payments?
The originator of this tread has his reasons and I have a different one.
I don't want people paypaling me money before I contact them. Generally because they send the wrong amount and I get hit with double fee's when they make up the difference. I have delted my ebay register email address from my PayPal account but people still send money there.
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paypaldamon
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posted on February 23, 2001 02:05:01 PM
Hi mikecol,
There is no way for us to know why the sender is sending the money to a particular individual's email address when making a payment to a non-registered member.
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charles927
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posted on February 24, 2001 01:12:30 AM
Paypal,
Two suggestions for you:
1. When PayPal sends out a "you got cash" email to a non-registered email, it should do some plain check about the email address. Once a buyer sent me a payment, but typed an extra dot at the end of the email address -- it became something like "[email protected]." Because of the extra dot, it's an invalid email address; PayPal should check out such invalid email address, and then either auto-correct it or ask the buyer to correct it. But right now, PayPal sends out the email regardless whether the email address is plainly invalid.
2. You should make the buyers' email addresses downloadable in the "Download History" function.
Regards,
kennedy-family.com
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cix
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posted on February 24, 2001 04:07:10 AM
jenndiggy1,
First of all, let me start by saying I have never had any problems at all using Paypal. I love the service and even with their fees, it is still well worth the price. I am a very satisfied user of this service.
With that out of the way I will answer your question.
"NO PAYPAL! But why do they keep sending me money!" ?
The reason they keep sending you money is because once a buyer pays you for an item you are selling that payment remains in limbo until you as the seller accept it OR the buyer cancels it. Since Paypal allows people to send money to any email address they want, they have all this money at their disposal ! YEAH !
SEEMS EVERYONE FORGOT ABOUT THIS LITTLE DETAIL HUH ?
Paypaldamon,
You stated, "All payments belong to the sender until they are claimed by the recipient."
Does this mean Paypal does nothing with this money ? Does this mean Paypal cannot use this money at all while it is in limbo ?
I would really like to know that I am wrong in assuming all of this money out in limbo is not being used by Paypal while it is in limbo.
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Mikecol
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posted on February 24, 2001 05:25:21 AM
paypaldamon
Thanks for the reply. Perhaps you should control your members payment activities, you know check to see if someone is a member before they send payment to non members. You could charge them a nickel for this service. This would save them time in the long run and they could go right on not reading payment terms in auctions, and I would quit getting notices about money from paypal.
By the way they would line up like sheep to give you nickels.
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curlectables
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posted on February 24, 2001 05:43:36 AM
Your question: Why does paypal keep letting the people send money to non-members. The answer seems obvious. I am NOT being sarcastic or accusatory.
New sellers come into eBay all the time. Some of them have no idea that paypal exists. These people might join paypal, especially if they know they have money waiting for them when they sign up. I believe the proper name for this activity should be free advertizing. Why should paypal change this?
Also another point, people get a bonus for getting others to join paypal. (I do not do this- so that offer might have expired) If you are a buyer,why not get someone to join, get your bonus, and therefore reduce the actual cost of your item? In the beginning, many, many buyers did this.
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petalsoflife
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posted on February 24, 2001 07:48:21 AM
If you are not a paypal user, it should be sitting in their account as unclaimed. I'd point it out to them and further stress your terms. There's been a lot of that going around lately!
I do take Paypal and love to pay with it, but would never pay a seller in a way other than the terms they have specified!
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