posted on March 2, 2001 06:36:17 AM
Hi all I came across this auction in the travel section.Just liked to know what you all thought about this.
Hello everyone this is my little gathering. If you would like to attend an event put on by xxxxxxx this is the place to get your tickets. We will be having it in xxxx xxxx. On saturday at 8pm. If you bid on this I guarntee you a fun time. This isn't bidding on sex but what two adults do for fun I am lining up more girls too. Look for more things to come soon. I hope to see you there. xxxx p.s Because Ebay doesn't allow me to have a dutch bid yet I ask you not to bid here but to send me an email saying you want this item at xxxxxx I WILL ONLY ACCEPT PAYMENT THROUGH PAY PAL
posted on March 2, 2001 06:42:26 AM
damn sounds like a party to me......whats the auction number.....i know you aren't supposed to post numbers but do it anyway......
posted on March 2, 2001 07:04:31 AM
Yahoo has sex slave auctions. Real sex slaves. I discovered the site accidently and at first I thought it had to be some sort of sick joke. But then I looked at all these pictures and there were links to look at more pictures. Had women chained up and was describing their features. A lot of them were permanent slavery for girls as young as 12 years old. One bragged about how he got the girls off the streets and that the people didn't have to worry about parents finding out. Very sick.
posted on March 2, 2001 07:13:20 AM
Wonder what will happen if someone pays via paypal and then charges it back. Kind of hard to prove delivery. Is proof of a disease acceptable?
posted on March 2, 2001 10:12:10 AM
Auctionqueenie,
Are you saying that they are using 12 year olds? I am not quite sure if I read your post right. If so how are they getting away with this? I would think someone would have reported them by now.
posted on March 2, 2001 10:18:48 AM
I had a look and couldn't find anything on search, but that isn't saying alot, as the search engine in Yahoo is pretty dross.
How? Where? email me at yahoo.com, please. The idea of non-consensual slaves is pretty horrifying.
posted on March 2, 2001 10:43:39 AM
I found it and reported it to ebay.
Here's thier very quick response.
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Hello xxxxxxxx,
The auction you have reported has been ended by eBay. We appreciate your taking the time to contact us.
We thank you for using eBay and we wish you many prosperous dealings in the future. Have a great day!
Regards,
xxxxxxx
eBay PowerSeller Support
_________________________
and, now if you look for the auction, it's shows nothing, i.e. no longer in the database.
[ edited by unknown on Mar 2, 2001 10:45 AM ]
posted on March 2, 2001 11:12:49 AM
Where was the location of the original eBay auction? If it was Nevada, prostitution is legal there. If it wasn't Nevada, then you have to determine what "fun" is. Much easier to just not bid if you don't want the product. To each his own.
As to the yahoo "real sex slaves", what do think is the possibility that this would be on such a public venue?? Sounds like advertizing come-ons for the purient crowd. The same way as "sex crazed schoolgirls" really means 25 yr-old porn stars dressed in pigtails and school uniforms!
posted on March 2, 2001 11:19:51 AM
Let the Feds decide!
I spent a few years as a volunteer bodyguard for battered and abused women, at a Womans Resource Center, and I can tell you that this type of thing is more prevelant then you think.
It is no joke, and not anything to take lightly.
If you were to hear stories of some of the woman I worked with, it would make your blood curdle.
There are some real sick MFs out there!
This is one time when being a snitch is the RIGHT thing to do...
posted on March 2, 2001 12:03:40 PM
adone36: I noted this morning early, that the "Location" (or REGION) of the auction that has already been ended by eBay was listed as San Jose, CA.
posted on March 2, 2001 01:04:39 PM
With regard to the ebay auction, I would have done nothing.
With the Yahoo auction, I would have notified Yahoo if the auction mentioned "12 yr old", which it appears it did not (I think it was a link referred to here).
I used to be very conservative, but after years of seeing such tremendous abuse by people with god-like powers, you change.
Let the FEDS decide---NOT.
The world is filled with nuts of every kind, but I found the worst kind of nut is the one who is sent on a mission from God to protect YOU from something that is a problem for HIM.
There is a certain crowd for whom the lowest common denominator must rule. If there is a chance this MIGHT be true, it must be banned! This is often done in the face of any kind of proof. The most obvious example of this is the anti-porn zealots who say they wish to protect women from being attacked by porn-reading thugs. In EVERY case of a jurisdiction where access to porn lessens, the number of sex crimes has decreased.
posted on March 2, 2001 02:38:11 PM
I would say more for the "seeing" and less for the "hearing".
Hearsay is a self-generating thing. Each person has to magnify the story to seem a bigger part of it. Almost always the facts do not match the story.
This quest to "protect" (fill in the blank) is probably responsible for more crimes than anything else. Anytime there is a call to the barricades to "protect" something where there is no evidence just leads to harming a different group of people.
The favorite "fill in the blank" is of course children. All of those sensational stories in the headlines almost always get thrown out when someone realizes there is an absence of fact.
Locally they sent a nursery school teacher to prison after some of her students reported classes were conducted in the nude, sacrifices made, etc.. Everyday as I read the newest huge headline, I was thinking "How do you hold classes in the nude in a public place and nobody knows?" Well it took a judge 5 yrs to figure that out. Now there is no way this woman could have been convicted of stealing TVs unless someone found the stolen goods in her possession, but in order to "protect the children" she lost a part of her life.
posted on March 2, 2001 04:19:40 PM
The mental and physical pain of the innocent who are tortured this type of abuse is far greater, and a hell of a lot longer then 5 years.
posted on March 2, 2001 07:05:41 PM
This wasn't some link I discovered anywhere in AW. I play online games in yahoo and there was a guy with an id along the lines of please rape my wife but that wasn't it and then he had a bunch of links to sites. They were DEFINATELY young girls in this pictures I saw.
Pocono,
I used to run an organization to help battered women relocate to other areas. Mine wasn't legal, however. The women I helped were the ones the system turned its back on and forced the women to live in the area with their abuser and like circumstances. There were no other avenues for these women but to flee to have any kind of an existance. Before I extended my assistance to these areas I was merely doing things such as taking pictures of bruises and injuries and going to court for moral support. From there it went to transporting them to shelters, all anonymously. The past several years have been drawn out and seem to stand up against time.
I am still hiding out from my ex. Before the divorce, he wrote me a letter stating that he was going to kill me and lick the blood up with his tongue if I went through with it. When I pressed charges, the judge said that he saw nothing wrong with a husband writing his wife a letter and that he saw nothing threatening in the letter, even though he also says things like how it was God's plan for he, my daughter, and I to all be in heaven together and that no body means no crime.
It took 31/2 years for the judge to finally grant my divorce. During those years I fought hard for my rights and sometimes went to court 3 times a week or more trying to get a protective order, which repeatedly was denied.
During my work with others, I noticed a common thread. Each of the women had been told from early childhood that if a boy hits you it means he likes you. I then realized these women were repeating the same lines when they would defend staying with their abusers. Things like, "he does it because he loves me so much." It is no wonder women have such a hard time leaving their abusers when it is ingrained into their psychie from the time they are 3 and 4 years old that boys hit because they like them. Also, when they are told this when they are children, it is often after a boy has hit her and she goes to a caregiver, teacher, babysitter, etc to tell. This response dismisses the girl's concern and feelings and puts the idea into her head to keep quiet when it happens. This also teaches the boys it's ok to hit girls. Women are being raised to this, even in today's "modernized" society. I find that this is the real reason that women stay. It is extremely difficult to go against your upbringing 20-30 years or more after you're grown.
Even today when I speak out against domestic violence and tell my story and experiences, it's like it falls on deaf ears with the public. I'll go on with my struggle with the court system even after I had left him and they look at me with blank expressions and will say, "why didn't you just leave." (duh isn't that what I just told you I did I think.)
Well, I would e-mail you pocono, but I don't know what your addy is. My addy is listed somewhere earlier in this string.
posted on March 2, 2001 08:06:54 PM
Auctionqueenie,
My thoughts are with you! A terrible terrible ordeal is an understatement.
Adone36, I saw that Frontline documentary you are talking about. I think that was a wake up call.
Unfortunately there are a LOT of judges who have no concept of what it's really like. The judge that auctionqueenie encountered is far more prevalent than you imagine.
As far as auctions go, there is no place for that, and if I encountered that I would also be contacting the FBI, police and any other activist groups I could find.
posted on March 2, 2001 08:30:21 PM
I found some of the links. I cannot post them here. Email me and I'll send you the links. Some of the other sites I told you about are listed in profiles. I had to wait until late tonight after my little one went to bed. Didn't want her to see anything.
I live in the state where Kelly Michaels was railroaded. During the trial all of us would laugh as each new absurd charge was brought up in court. The common view was some nutty prosecutor was spending millions of OUR money only to have it thrown out. Well, it wasn't thrown out. People who watch TV think some lawyer immediately jumps in to help save the day etc., but in truth you rot. To get out you have to have a judge, or a prosecutor admit they or their predecessor were wrong (at the risk of being accused of NOT PROTECTING OUR CHILDREN!!!). These people get out if the families can raise enough money for a higher jurisdiction to open the case. And WHEN they get out, they usually have to agree to some deal whereby "we'll let you out, but you have to agree not to sue, etc".
My total point here is that there is never evidence to support these charges. Somehow battered wives got grouped into this, where there IS evidence.
Auctionqueenie
You kind of described why you have such trouble with public awareness. Anyone can be a "hit" wife. To be a "battered" wife requires some type of agreement on the victim's part, for whatever the reason. Many people live in states with laws that require the police to lock up the beater, whether she places criminal charges or not. Any story you tell falls on deaf ears because of the perception that you could spend unlimited amounts and not gain ground when dealing with personal relationships.
What on earth state do you live in where protection orders were denied in the face of threats???
posted on March 3, 2001 06:47:43 AM
I lived in Alleghany and Rockbridge Counties in Virginia.
I consider myself battered, but I never agreed to be battered. The police, magistrates, judges, etc would not help me. I was only 16 years old when it started. He was 27. My parents went through a divorce and my mom forced me to go to counseling at a local counseling agency which based it upon one's income. He got a job at the agency and had access to everyone's files. He picked me out, memorized my likes, dislikes, strengths and weaknesses. We lived overtop of his sister in a duplex, so I guess I was perfect for him. He started coming around quite often. He posed himself as the perfect man, liking everything I did, etc. I had never had a boyfriend. I wasn't allowed out of the house very much for years, and suddenly I turn 16 and my mom no longer cares what I did and I didn't see much of her anymore. The whole community, with the exception of the few that knew the truth about him, thought he was the next best thing to being a saint. He had gone to school with several who had become police officers and they covered up everything he did so that the community wasn't aware. Within a few weeks he was pressuring me to marry him. I was totally naive about relationships because I had never had one. We got married about a year afterwards because mom said I had to graduate from high school before she would sign the papers. During that first year he would be verbally abusive to me and I kept trying to break it off with him but he told me that I was stuck with him and that he'd never leave. I talked to people and tried to get help, but everyone was like oh he's such a nice guy, you're lucky to have him. No one would help. He then started to threaten to hurt my granddad if i left him and he knew my granddad meant everything to me. He knew all of my vulnerbilities because of the files where he worked. We ended up being married in august 93. Everytime he would abuse me, I'd leave and be ridiculed by everyone for leaving. His buddies with the police even forced me to go back to him once. During the course of the marriage he would beat me anytime for any reason. He would call the beatings a "reality check". My church told me that I needed to stay home and be submissive to my husband, even though one beating sent me to the emergency room. I became very suicidal. I still had faith in the legal system at that point, because they had me convinced that he was in the right and I was wrong to complain. The battered women shelters in the area wouldn't help me because I was still legally a minor. I wasn't able to make a permenant break from him until my mom finally agreed to help me. What changed her mind? He told her, to her face, that he was going to kill me. I had my baby and ran away after another beating. He beat me up the day after I had her while I was still in the hospital, and the doctors and nurses didn't care. He had a lot of friends. He took out a 100,000 life insurance policy on me and tried to kill me by disconnecting the brake hose on the car. They wouldn't let me press charges because in that state the car was marital property and he had the legal right to do whatever he wanted to the car. The day of the Oklahoma City bombing, I was watching the news and getting ready for school and brushing my teeth at the same time. I didn't rinse the sink good enough I guess because there was a tiny bit of toothpaste left in the sink. He flipped out on me when I got home. He beat me, drug me into the bedroom and lit a match. He tells me in the voice a parent uses to sooth a child, "I'm going to burn the clothes off of your body." The police said it wasn't a crime because he didn't actually set fire to me. He just raped me instead and raping your wife isn't really seen as a crime in Virginia. Even this day after Lorene Bobbitt. (She went through the same stuff and wasn't able to get any help from her police either. She is my hero. Virginia would've never prosecuted her husband for the rape if there had not been so much media attention. She is another case of women in virginia who finally have to break the law to get away.) My mom let me and my baby stay with her and helped me to stay away from him. It took 3 and half years to get the divorce because he contested it vigourously. He kept lying and saying we'd been together when we hadn't to prolong it another year. Even to this day, 2 years after the divorce went through, he still tells everyone that we're together and that I'm having another baby, even though I live in another state. He makes his apartment look like I'm still living with him (I've been told by the rumor mill.) In the first time I finally found a magistrate who would allow me to press charges, he had beat me bad enough that I had to be taken to the e.r. I've still not fully recovered from the injuries. When it went to trial, the police had "lost" the pictures of the bruises and the medical records were missing. Instead of requesting a continuance, the prosecutor went ahead with the case. The baliff had to help me to the witness stand because I was so badly beaten. I had trouble walking and doing much of anything. The judge ruled that my injuries weren't sugnificant enough for a battering to have occured. I spent from 94 to 99 battling the court system to be legally allowed to live apart from him without harassment. They put restraints on me saying that I couldn't leave the state because of his precious visitation rights with my little girl. (I even was denied to leave when I had job offers. The area had very few jobs and I wasn't able to find anything, so I was forced to go on welfare. I figured the state wouldn't allow me to go have a decent job, they can support me.) When he did take her, he wouldn't take care of her. He'd have her go all day without a bottle or changing her diaper. Her diaper rash would be so bad, she would bleed. When she was five and half months old, he sprayed her in the face with my pepperspray after he jerked it from me. The police wouldn't do anything about that either. I wanted to kill him. He hurt my baby. She was scrunched up in pain and he did it to her. After all he did to her, my mom and I started finding ways to keep him away from her. I had to keep her protected. Plus I was very worried because I had learned of his fetish for children. He had fathered a child with a 13/14 year old. The community didn't care what he did though, because "he is such a nice man." I still have no protective order. His visitation was finally terminated when the divorce went through, 3 and half years later. He was awarded everything but my baby, and I was just happy that I could finally leave with her so that she could be safe.
I saw a bumper sticker that read, "Those who have fought for freedom know a peace that others could never understand." I know what that means.
posted on March 3, 2001 07:56:11 AM
adone36 -
"To be a "battered" wife requires some type of agreement on the victim's part, for whatever the reason."
Wife abusers do NOT start out by beating the crap out of their victim ... they start small, usually with mind games, and escalate into full-blown spouse abuse only AFTER they are certain they have psychologically beaten her into the ground.
They start by picking one who will be a good victim, one who they sense will be abusable. They have good instincts, although this is not deliberate, and will immediately back out of a relationship if the woman is not "abusable".
During courtship they are often very charming, with only occasional flashes of temper, followed by a grovelling semi-apology that nevertheless blames the victim for "making" the abuser lose his temper. They systematically shut down the victim's support system, getting them to cut off relationships with good friends, being demanding in the guise of being loving, somthering in the guise of being protective.
At this phase, if the woman gives in to the control demands, she's good abuse material. If she responds to a demand to not spend so much time with friends with a "NO", the abuser will either dump her or flip into aggression mode and try to intimidate her.
They also work on demolishing the victim's self-esteem, usually with a constant barrage of criticism, belittlement, and humiliation. Nothing the woman does will be good enough. They also flip-flop: what they praise on Monday they will criticize on Tuesday.
Minor abuse starts about here ... maybe "just a slap", followed by grovelling apology that blames the victim (something along the lines of "I'm sorry you made me hit you" and a honeymoon period ... these cycles repeat, with the continuing barrage of verbal and mental abuse and controlling behavior. But the abuse slowly and surely escalates, and the controlling behavior gets more demanding.
By the time the physical abuse gets to the bone-breaking stages, the victim has been brainwashed (for lack of a better word) into believing they can't make it on their own and that they somehow are responsible for the abuser's behavior.
posted on March 3, 2001 08:28:25 AM
AuctionQueenie
What a riveting story. I am glad that you and your child prevailed.
I have 2 daughters ages 6 and 8. I hope that they never have to endure anything like that in their lifetime. At their young ages all I can do is teach them to stand up for themselves. They live in a non-violent environment as my wife and I are respectful of one another.
Best of luck to you with your life and with your future auctions. May we all find a fair, reasonable, place to launch them from.
I am lining up more girls too. Look for more things to come soon. I hope to see you there. xxxx p.s Because Ebay doesn't allow me to have a dutch bid yet I ask you not to bid here but to send me an email saying you want this item at xxxxxx I WILL ONLY ACCEPT PAYMENT THROUGH PAY PAL