HJW
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posted on March 19, 2001 05:29:38 AM
I was surprised to have an auction ended yesterday because it
contained Natzi literature. According to Ebay policy, I found
that I was not allowed to sell this book internationally unless
I excluded sales to France, Germany, Italy and Austria.
I had no intention of promoting Natzi propaganda. This was simply
a good and interesting book from a historical viewpoint.
This kind of censorship
is unbelievable!
I don't know of any other type of literature with this type of
restriction. Do you?
Helen
[ edited by HJW on Mar 19, 2001 05:30 AM ]
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nowwhat
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posted on March 19, 2001 05:44:45 AM
Helen ~ I don't think it really has anything to do with eBay. I know that you cannot send that kind of item into Germany because of their laws.
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HJW
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posted on March 19, 2001 06:19:47 AM
nowwhat
Thanks for that info. I guess the same
applies to the other countries, France,
Italy and Austria.
That is very surprising! I thought book
burning was finished in civilized countries
such as these.
Helen
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doninpa
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posted on March 19, 2001 06:52:18 AM
It is NAZI, not NATZI. Here is a thread from a few weeks ago that was discussing this issue.
http://www.auctionwatch.com/mesg/read.html?num=2&id=335985&thread=335454
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Don't read this....DOH
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gravid
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posted on March 19, 2001 08:17:02 AM
It is not only illegal to sell such items in those countries if you publicly desagree with any detail of the governments offical account of the period you will be put in prison. And yes people have. That is the direction we are headed here. You can not say what you believe a lot of places or you will be fired or fined if you work for a university, sports team or large corperation sensitive to public opinion.
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tolz
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posted on March 19, 2001 08:48:49 AM
Hi HJW;
I am selling my Militaria related items at
http://www.militaria-collectibles.com with success.
These guys do not let foreign governments tell them how to run a auction site.
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nowwhat
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posted on March 19, 2001 09:15:26 AM
tolz ~ eBay is in a very different position than the site you sell on. They have eBay Germany, eBay France, eBay Italy and eBay Austria. How can they have these sites and not comply with their laws? When you do business with other countries you won't be in business for long if you don't follow their regulations.
[ edited by nowwhat on Mar 19, 2001 09:16 AM ]
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HJW
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posted on March 19, 2001 09:39:27 AM
Hey tolz
Thanks so much for that info.
I've copied it just in case it gets censored 
Helen
Gravid, I was really in the dark about this issue. I had no
idea that this kind of censorship was still prevalent in
these countries.
Helen
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mikehead
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posted on March 19, 2001 12:06:39 PM
Hmmm
simple solution:
in Shipping click the arrow
Choose:
will ship to US and following regions (check all that apply)
Hmmm seems pretty simple to me!
Just don't pick countries that ebay is Partnered with
Ya ain't gotta be a Rocket Scientist taa
fig this 1 out!!!
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cin131
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posted on March 19, 2001 02:53:32 PM
In the quest to not offend people, and be politically correct, censorship is sprouting.
It's a fact of history; the Nazi's killed the jews. So, why are these countries trying to blot that out of their history? They probably dont' discuss it in their school textbooks either.
jmho
cindy 
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joycel
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posted on March 19, 2001 03:25:25 PM
Don't feel alone--it's not just literature. I had an auction for a toy Hindenburg (blimp) get pulled a couple of weeks ago. Gave me the same reasons they gave you.
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HJW
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posted on March 19, 2001 03:48:58 PM
joycel
A toy?!? Good Grief!
Mikehead
I figured it out too. The reason that I
started this thread was to express my
displeasure at being censored. I understand
now that Ebay was not at fault. I just had
no idea that books were still being censored
in countries such as Germany, France and Italy.
...And even toys, as Joyce has mentioned.
Helen
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HJW
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posted on March 19, 2001 03:54:09 PM
Cindy
I agree. Nothing about history should be
censored. That's how we learn to progress
without falling into the same hole again.
Helen
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jrodgers
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posted on March 19, 2001 07:29:32 PM
Everyone knows if you sweep it under the rug it will eventually go a way. Right? If you want to continually make the same mistakes over and over, all you have to do is ignore history and pretend something didn't happen. Eventually it will be happening all over again...and again.
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Puddy
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posted on March 19, 2001 07:49:15 PM
In those countries it is a matter of censorship.
It is not a matter of censoring history.
It's a matter of neo-nazi revivalism and a sensitivity to those who survived the Hitler onslaught.
If you have other venues to sell through then do it. Ebay Europe isn't the only place to sell.
Jews weren't the only targets. My parents survived the @sshole too. They remember enough about it without having swastikas to remind them.
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brighid868
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posted on March 19, 2001 07:50:27 PM
you might possibly feel differently about it if you had had a war over it fought on your own soil. visiting germany and seeing pictures of the devastation caused by bombing and reading about the nightmarish experience for them of living through a war so unpopular, that made them the target of the hatred of the whole world, i realized that to them a total ban is their way of saying "Never again" and that determination is *eminently* worthy of respect, even if it is not what I would choose. They are entitled to make their own laws as they see fit. the feeling i sensed while in Germany was that the people were willing to give up even something as precious as free speech in order to prevent such horrors (and their aftermath) from ever again happening again in their country. and in general I had the impression that most Germans were in favor of this, rather than feeling repressed it gave them some relief. again only my impressions from talking to some german people. but if you try to think of it in that context, as a generally agreed-upon preventative measure rather than some kind of censorship against the will of the people, it makes more sense. also i bet as the population who remembers the war ages and dies, the ban will be lifted. it won't mean as much to people who don't remember the horror of it.
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