jumpinjacko
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posted on May 20, 2001 12:40:40 AM
HI ALL...
I had an eBay seller email me ..
He said he was perusing the competitions
auctions when he saw a bidder on one of my auctions
that stiffed him on one of his auctions last month..
Then he ask if I would like to swap our list of
bad bidders to add to each others Bidder Block Page.
I have room to add around 800 to my page..
could someone tell me if this is against eBay rules..
or maybe just unethical...
Help me out Red Deer and Lose Cannon..as
I seem to agree with you guys (well) most of the time.
JUMPIN*JACK
[ edited by jumpinjacko on May 20, 2001
12:51 AM ]
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ecom
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posted on May 20, 2001 01:04:32 AM
Go for it!
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flynn
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posted on May 20, 2001 04:13:42 AM
I don't know about on eBay but my friend has a large vintage clothing website and she and all the other large vintage clothing website owners keep each other aware of deadbeat or just plain bad customers all the time. The list just keeps growing and growing and growing. 
As far as unethical, how could it be? You're just watching out for your own sanity really.
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jumpinjacko
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posted on May 20, 2001 10:06:08 AM
FLYNN
As far as unethical, how could it be? You're just watching out for your own sanity really.
Yes but the person who did the dirty on another eBay seller maybe
a great customer to me.....
Would I be helping myself or aiding the revenge of an eBay competitor..
Jumpin*jack
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skip555
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posted on May 20, 2001 10:14:46 AM
Is it against ebay rules? ...If not it will be soon !!!
ethical ?...I don't see why not
In my non-ebay business there is one guy who keeps a similar list of folks writting bad checks
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eventer
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posted on May 20, 2001 10:18:57 AM
VERY interesting concept.
I've read all through ebay's guidelines on trust & safety & privacy section but can't find a single thing prohibiting this SO LONG as you don't share personally identifiable information. If you share this, you might fall under ebay's privacy guidelines.
I can't see how ebay can possibly prevent this unless they adjust the bidder block to only accept blocked names from a list of bidders on your items. I can't see them trying to maintain that kind of database.
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sadie999
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posted on May 20, 2001 10:26:32 AM
I like it and don't think there's anything ethically wrong unless you publish it somewhere. Just trading info w/another seller should be fine.
Sellers with booths at malls tell each other about shoplifters, and that's a whole lot more accusatory. While deadbeats don't steal your stuff, they do indeed steal your time and energy.
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reddeer
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posted on May 20, 2001 10:33:17 AM
JJ
IMO I would never black list a potential customer on the word from another seller, unless I knew that seller very well.
Nor would I share my deadbeat list with them.
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furkidmom
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posted on May 20, 2001 10:35:23 AM
Excellent idea!! Wish we had a *deadbeat* page to go to. Might be a good idea for Ebay to implement. Might keep some people on the straight and narrow if they knew they were being published for being a deadbeat! Could we start one?
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reddeer
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posted on May 20, 2001 11:00:04 AM
eBay doesn't allow "deabeat pages", "deadbeat email addys" , "deadbeat User Id's", or "deadbeat links" anywhere on their site.
And for good reason. Some sellers are azzholes, and wouldn't know a deadbeat from a quality customer if I whacked them over the head with one.
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BlondeSense
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posted on May 20, 2001 11:20:38 AM
I would hesitate to take someone's elses word regarding a buyer, especially if I didn't know either of them. I would definitely check out a buyer's feedback before I blacklisted them.
To play devil's advocate, what's to stop a devious competitor from giving you a list of his/her best customers to block?
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amy
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posted on May 20, 2001 11:28:13 AM
Jumpinjacko...
I think you answered your own question when you said this...
Yes but the person who did the dirty on another eBay seller maybe a great customer to me...
I can understand blocking someone who has deadbeated on you, but doing it on another's say so seems like bad business to me.
You don't know this seller, you know nothing about them...you don't know what their customer service is like, you don't know if it is easy for a customer to tick them off...you know nothing about them so why should you accept their word when thsy say this customer deadbeated on them?
What if this is some idiotic seller who got angry because a buyer RIGHTFULLY asked for a refund on an item that was not what the seller said it was?
I would be very suspicious of another seller who contacted me out of the blue and wanted to exchange "deadbeat bidder lists" with me so I could block his supossedly "bad bidder" from my auctions too.
Until I know personally that someone is a bad bidder I would never block their bids.
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jumpinjacko
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posted on May 20, 2001 11:42:48 AM
Hey Amy...how ya been?
you know nothing about them so why should you accept their word when they say this customer deadbeated on them?
Some retail stores use the CHECK RIGHT or CHECKMATE
types of services...you know it’s a data base for members to
share info on bad check writers...So are you saying that a fellow
eBay seller might supply you with bogus information to interrupt
your eBay business ? If you cancel a high bidder’s bid based on
their feedbacks you are taking the word of your fellow eBay sellers now
why not head them off at the pass?
spelling again
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amy
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posted on May 20, 2001 12:16:35 PM
Jumpinjacko..hi to you to
The services offered by companies like Checkmate etc are impartial second parties. They have not had dealings with the check writer or business (other than supplying the business with the information requested). Its highly unlikely they would be blacklisting a check writer out of personal revenge...or as a tactic to limit the customers the business has.
Your dealing with someone who you have no idea what his motivations are (the seller who contacted you is who I'm referring to here).
Personally, and this is only my opinion and not meant to say others have to agree with this, I don't use the feedback of my buyers to determine if I will block a bidder. I wasn't part of the transaction being reported on and therefore cannot determine how accurate the comments in the feedback are. I also don't know what the circumstances were that made a person deadbeat if that is what they did.
I have had a number of buyers who had negatives for deadbeating in their feedback and they successfully completed their transaction with me.
I think the true deadbeat, sport bidder gets booted off ebay pretty fast because enough of his victims request their FVFs back and therefore the creep gets NARUed pretty quick.
For others...people do make mistakes and learn from them. Many people who have negative feedback in their files have gone on to be good, quality bidders.
I just thought that the statement of yours that I highlighted was an indication that you were uncomfortable with the idea of blocking this bidder (and others on this seller's list). The fact that you question it is an indication that it might not be right for you to do this. I suggest you go with that "gut feeling" that is coming through with that question I highlighted and not share "deadbeat bidder lists" with this seller. I think you will be happier with that solution.
Good luck no matter what your decision is
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jumpinjacko
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posted on May 20, 2001 12:37:56 PM
Thanks for the advice Amy...I agree with you that
all most all my bidder have some kind of negative feedbacks
and to black ball them ..would have an impact on the bottom line
If eBay would take better care of their sellers...
An eBay Bidder Block Page would have never
happen in the first place..but an outside data base
on all Deadbeats would be great...Would I use it..?
maybe if it was broke down by ,Bad Check Writers, NPB’s
or some thing like that...or maybe if you could only supply
info into the system if you had say 500 to 1000 feedbacks..
this would help insure a fair system..I think? I do agree
with furkidmom ...just knowing that as a bidder you could
be put on this list..might keep you on the straight and narrow..
One love
jumpin
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dave61bug
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posted on May 20, 2001 05:45:03 PM
Gotta agree with Amy, she wrote:
"I think the true deadbeat, sport bidder gets booted off ebay pretty fast because enough of his victims request their FVFs back and therefore the creep gets NARUed pretty quick.
For others...people do make mistakes and learn from them. Many people who have negative feedback in their files have gone on to be good, quality bidders"
I've had bidders with a -2 feedback come through, and on time!
The only prob. with sport's bidders is that they come back with a different ID. I had one who bid, didn't pay, I NPB'D, FVF'd and he came back later with a new ID and bought another of the same item. He paid, I shipped. Weird.......
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Microbes
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posted on May 20, 2001 06:48:33 PM
>Trading Deadbeats
jumpinjacko, if you'r deadbeat rate is as high as I've seen you say it is, I don't want to trade with you
(my deadbeat rate is about 3%)
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jumpinjacko
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posted on May 20, 2001 09:46:37 PM
Thanks MICRO...you always make me feel so good...NOT
3 % deadbeat factor.....?
I bet eBay hates YOU...look at the relisting fees you’re
screwing them out of....Hope they don’t rise their fees again
because of you..
Ya know I love ya..
jumpin
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twinsoft
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posted on May 20, 2001 11:36:07 PM
You can go to Vrane.com and see all the NEGATIVE FEEDBACK left by the seller. You don't need to "buy" or trade for their list. You can see who's deadbeated them easily.
I say this because NO WAY would I trust a competitor who "just happened to notice, etc." Who knows, maybe they are trying to get you to block their best customers.
The deal may be on the level, but to me it sounds totally contrived. At any rate, I would not take the seller's word without verifying that in every case the seller did indeed leave negative feedback for the transaction. And even then, you don't know for sure, but I'm getting too paranoid.
GratefulDad
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twinsoft
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posted on May 20, 2001 11:36:19 PM
[make mine a double...]
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