zeeesdreams
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posted on May 27, 2001 08:40:07 PM
I had an auction that ended 6 weeks ago and the buyer never sent payment. She has emailed me several times--the 1st time she said it must be lost & would send out payment again. I was very patient since she stayed in touch & sweet talked me { said I was an ebay angel.} Well I finally emailed the backup bidder to see if she was still interested and guess who emails me back---the high bidder. And she says she still wants the merchandise. What I cant figure out is why the same bidder would bid against herself. How can I figure out for sure that they are one and the same. I think am I being played for a fool for some unknown reason.
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gk4495
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posted on May 28, 2001 04:53:28 AM
Pull up the user information. It lists phone numbers, etc. That is the place to start. Of course, if you ask for this information Ebay will notify her that you have asked for it, so she will know you are investigating. Sometimes people pay up after getting Ebay's notice so if nothing else it may be a way of getting her to pay.
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sulyn1950
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posted on May 28, 2001 05:36:58 AM
Maybe she was "attempting" to bid shield and forgot to cancel her "high" bidder's bid?
It's my understanding that sometimes if a person wants to try and ensure they win an item at a certain price, they will bid using one ID and then go in and bid a real high amount with another ID. The high price discourages others from bidding. Then at the last moment, they cancel the highest bid which leaves the bid they placed with the other ID as high bid and of course at a lower price.
How much below the original high bidders price is the 2nd highest bidder?
You might be better off, just filing NPB on the original bidder, then FVF and relist the item forgetting the 2nd highest bidder unless you are happy with what you will get (if anything).
Maybe she has been dragging her feet hoping you would get tired of waiting and go ahead and offer it to the "2nd highest bidder"!
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annekila
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posted on May 28, 2001 05:45:53 AM
Could you possibly have clicked on the high bidder's name by mistake when you wrote the second bidder? I've done that..I'm blonde.
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jerseylily
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posted on May 28, 2001 06:11:21 AM
I had this happen to me a year ago, the bidder used one name to bid on things to raise the price (he was attempting to make another bidder pay more for things) and the second identity he used to take the neg. feedbacks when he actually won an auction. that way he kept one id clean, and the second id he used as the bad guy for negs and all. i was able to find this out by requesting the user address and phone number, and name of each of the id's, and ebay verified it. ebay kicked the person off, and they were back within one day with a new id. got kicked off again and back again within a day with 4th id. etc. finally they got arrested or something as they vanished after about 8 months of this.
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mtnmama
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posted on May 28, 2001 06:31:21 AM
Sounds as if she's either playing games with you by shielding her bid or you hit the wrong bidder's name. I didn't think we could contact the underbidder anymore, because too many people requested final value fees when the high bidder backed out and worked deals with the underbidder. The lost too much money.
Also if you request personal info, ebay also sends them your personal info. They don't just notify them that you asked for it. You only get the registered name, city, state, zip code and phone number. You don't get a street address. They receive the same about you.
Sulyn is right, just request final value fees and forget the underbidder. Relist and tell both they are welcome to bid again. Chances are one won't.
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capotasto
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posted on May 28, 2001 06:36:18 AM
"Maybe she was "attempting" to bid shield and forgot to cancel her "high" bidder's bid?
It's my understanding that sometimes if a person wants to try and ensure they win an item at a certain price, they will bid using one ID and then go in and bid a real high amount with another ID. The high price discourages others from bidding. Then at the last moment, they cancel the highest bid which leaves the bid they placed with the other ID as high bid and of course at a lower price. "
No, it's the other way around... the high bid is always only one increment over the next lower bid.
Then they cancel that next lower bid, so their high bid falls to one increment over the third bid.
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tonimar1
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posted on May 28, 2001 07:33:22 AM
What I think you should do is file for your fees from ebay. Relist your item.
If she contacts you tell her the you relisted the item since payment never arrived.
I had a bidder who kept me hanging for two months, since I am a patient person I went along with her until I finally did my filing with ebay.
Then she emails me asking me WHY!!
Then I get a check overnighted for the item.
I returned the check because the item I gave
as a gift since it was Christmas time.
She was upset, but she did it to herself
I didn't do it to her.
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wyliecoyote21
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posted on May 28, 2001 09:05:04 AM
A friend of mine had a bidder who bid on something and never paid and kept giving excuses etc. Then finally a FVF was filled etc. neutral feed back cause they said they were having an emergency! Then all of the sudden they paid the item was sent to buyer and it was returned because buyer wasn't there and seller never heard another word. This person has about 11 negative feed back with 20 positive. I don't know what is up with people who bid on things!!!!
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appletime1
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posted on May 28, 2001 09:20:06 AM
capotasto:
Actually, it doesn't matter which of your 2 ID's bid is withdrawn. Regarless of whether it's the high bidder ID or the 2nd high bidder ID, the bid will still drop to one increment above the third bidder.
[ edited by appletime1 on May 28, 2001 09:20 AM ]
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magazine_guy
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posted on May 28, 2001 09:29:22 AM
What tonimar said.
Time to move on. Don't waste your time trying to figure folks out---- the bottom line is "show me the money."
Either they pay or they don't.....
Do the NPB thing today. That gives her 10 (more) days to pay, and then file FVF. Don't engage her in any more touchy feely email. Ignore her emails at this point- the payment is all that matters. Talk is cheap.
Steve
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zeeesdreams
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posted on May 28, 2001 10:23:34 AM
She emailed me back and said she really wants the item and doesn't understand why I haven't got her payment. So she is going to overnight the payment tomorrow, so if I don't get my payment right away, I'll just file a FVF, give her a neg. for nonpayment and relist.
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capotasto
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posted on May 28, 2001 11:39:43 AM
Appletime1
You are right,
Thank you for the correction.
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magazine_guy
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posted on May 28, 2001 01:01:55 PM
If you haven't already, file the NPB TODAY. You're rapidly running out of time to get your fees back on this one. Remember you need to wait 10 days between the NPB and the FVF.
Don't be swayed by what she says. Odds are you'll never receive payment. And you may never get your fees back if you keep falling for these promises.
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