ExecutiveGirl
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posted on June 22, 2001 05:35:39 PM
I seem to have always had a large amount of deadbeats, but right now I'm sitting on almost $500 worth of invoices that are overdue. Some date back to May 28th.
For several of them I've had excuses upon excuses for non-payment.
"Just found in my daughter's car, above her visor - will mail it out today"
"Husband had a stroke, cannot complete transaction"
"Family emergency, had to go out of town - will mail payment right away"
I do believe this is the worst it's been (for me) as far as NPB's are concerned. And just when sales are at their lowest.
And because sales are so slow right now, I am giving them more time to pay than usual, but it doesn't seem to be making a difference.
Is it just me, or is it like this for many of you too?
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Dakota1
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posted on June 22, 2001 05:38:36 PM
I've had three this week alone. But at least yours are giving you an excuse that you can laugh at! Two of mine were no email and the third, 'oops, thought it was something else' (used BIN)
Dakota1 (nowhere but here) 
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kudzurose
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posted on June 22, 2001 05:43:35 PM
None of my current ones have turned into deadbeats (yet!), but I have never had so many slow payers!
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Empires
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posted on June 22, 2001 06:00:19 PM
Not so much deadbeats as much liars in plain english. Downright lying about lack of payments comes to mind..
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ExecutiveGirl
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posted on June 22, 2001 06:39:33 PM
The thing that irritates me the most about these deadbeats, is that they are all for items that had more than one bid! They outbid others to win these items, and then they don't pay. One of these customers alone owes me $80. And so much time has gone by on some of them, it's too late to contact the 2nd highest bidders, and I'll have to relist.
To me, when I win an auction, I treat it like a bill, and it gets paid immediately. Don't these people pay their bills?
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Dakota1
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posted on June 22, 2001 06:51:05 PM
Well, They could
(1) be bidding for fun which does not do any of use who like (or need) the extra income any good.
(2) probably don't pay their bills at home too.
Dakota1 (nowhere but here)
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hwahwahwahwa
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posted on June 22, 2001 07:48:24 PM
thats why i never say NO to customer when they want to use billpoint or paypal or visa or mc.
it is better to make less than to make none.
worse relisting costs another round of listing fee!
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jumpinjacko
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posted on June 22, 2001 08:18:34 PM
When our auction winner does not pay within a 30 day
period we move them to a file that I call
“Deadbeat Mother File ” and relist the goods
Well today we cleaned it out ......there were 700 auctions
that were never paid for since January 1..
.
ONE LOVE.......
EBAY ID
JUMPIN*JACK
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ExecutiveGirl
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posted on June 22, 2001 08:20:29 PM
jumpin jacko - did you file NPB's and FVF's on them?? Wow, that is a LOT of deadbeats!!!
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loosecannon
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posted on June 22, 2001 08:21:03 PM
The Mother of all deadbeats
One bidder got me for three auctions, but I was lucky it was only a paltry $34.50 for the three.
I checked and he was high bidder on 252 recent auctions, probably the winner on most all of those (except where reserve wasn't met on some, I presume).
I added up only the first 15 of those auctions he was high bidder on and it came to over $2000 just for those. I wouldn't doubt that he stiffed sellers for $25,000 or more (I don't want to add it all up to see for sure, it's 252 auctions), but many auctions were in the hundreds of dollars.
Hey! Maybe it was just this one guy deadbeating on everyone's auctions?!
[ edited by loosecannon on Jun 22, 2001 08:27 PM ]
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jumpinjacko
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posted on June 22, 2001 08:30:08 PM
E girl......
No I pay my help more money than its worth to file
for the credit.(thanks ebay)....and we have never left a neg.....for
anyone.....until eBay changes it’s feedback forum the
whole system is useless...I know how most AW threaders
feel about this... but.....I will never trade negs with someone
who can open a new account and be bidding again in minutes
with a fresh feedback rating...
ONE LOVE.......
EBAY ID
JUMPIN*JACK
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robotnik
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posted on June 22, 2001 08:40:02 PM
I just completed 7 for the last 30 days. Average $229 (I sell computer equipment). Most of them are relative newbies with below 10 positive feedbacks.
Until eBay charges their credit card or debit card immediately after the win (should be mandatory) for the winning bid, it's just a game to many.
Does eBay really think that the new 3 strikes FVF and you're out is going to make a difference? Hardly!
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Crystalline_Sliver
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posted on June 23, 2001 02:13:47 AM
Until eBay charges their credit card or debit card immediately after the win (should be mandatory) for the winning bid, it's just a game to many.
Which do you want the most; a deadbeat bidder or no bidders at all??
No Bidders look bad in the stockholders eyes...
eBay rather would have an open door to deadbeats than shut out everyone and screw up their "records."
:\\\\\\\"Crystalline Sliver cannot be the target of spells or abilities.
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keziak
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posted on June 23, 2001 04:47:29 AM
Same here. Everything feels confused just now. I've had email from folks saying they never got email from me though I find the sent mail in my Out Box. I've had others that I DID drop the ball on.
Many internationals [love them!] who send payment by mail and it takes a long time. People in the hospital, people flooded, people who forgot. Payments sent by PayPal to the wrong address so I never got it. Mystery buyers who never respond.
I can't tell for sure if there are more, or it's just a factor of selling more volume. It feels like more.
Some days I'm just so grateful for those simple "send now" messages from Amazon, though there is so much else about auctions I like better than the fixed price sites.
keziak
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paintpower
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posted on June 23, 2001 05:00:41 AM
There definitely seems to be an increase in deadbeats as well as slow pays. I don't know if it is the economy or just more people on Ebay. Don't you just hate the excuses some of them send? I think big problem is that most of them that turn into slow pays and no pays don't take Ebay seriously. Myself I tend to let them drag on too long with their excuses. I don't think Ebay will ever do anything more about them than they are doing right now. I wish there was a way they could see how many times an ID has been added to a blocked bidder list. If someone shows up on more than 5 blocked bidder lists they get totally blocked on Ebay. Of course, that will only work until they come back with a new identity. Ebay does need to get control of this. They need to stop people from getting new IDs who have bad records. It gets very frustrating. I've got 5 right now that I'm working with. Dollar amount isn't that high but you know, it is just the fact that they are being so irresponsible!!
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ironking
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posted on June 23, 2001 05:24:08 AM
Iknow what you mean ExecutiveGirl, Look at the recent deadbeat I gotten (check out my recent post). Summer is here, school is out, kids with aol emails are creating numerous accounts. I never figured out why ebays require CC verification for all emails butaol, when aol users can crate up to 7 names per their account! :mad:
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bluroks
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posted on June 23, 2001 05:50:46 AM
Same here with us. The last three months have been real bad for non payers. Real bad when your pay depends on this!! Seems like you have to beg to get your payment. But all in all, Ebay has been our worst. We started back on Yahoo and actually have more fast payers on that service. But Ebay has been our worst one the last three months. And like other posts, a ton on real slow payers.
We list in our auctions now that we hold for 12 days and thats it. We had one auction close the first week of May and the guy just sent payment this week. Of course we dont have the product anymore but he insists he wants it. Cant win!!!
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lattefor2
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posted on June 23, 2001 09:14:49 AM
Hi EG nice to see you. Well, I certainly am having my share this month also. 2 absolutely iritating. 1. a winning bidder who is brand new and just can not comprehend the whole ordeal(Email Berkely Edu. Ca.) gives me her Mothers phone # tells me to call her Mother who lives in Fl.also, but she has no idea how close to me. (about 1-1/2 hours south) to just deliver it to her and she will take it from there. I emailed her back to say it doesn't work that way, and re-submitted wbn notice. Never heard back, I contacted back up bidder they paid by pay pal, and I shipped it out the same day.
2. this second one I believe other people on here have had similar experiences, sent a reminder replied, I have no idea what you are talking about. Sent a copy of the auction. Get a reply, oH, she use to work here she quit last week. don't you just love it. by the way this is just an example of quite a few more. the 2 above had 0 feedback a couple of others have feedback in the 70's and 100's, all positve.
Reenie
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jlb444
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posted on June 23, 2001 11:23:20 AM
Executivegirl. This past month I have never seen so many excuses. I think ebay should have a spot on the feedback that when you actually file a fvf credit there is a box that adds one more number to it. That way sellers aren't leaving negative feedback really....and would cut down on retalitory negs. Just today an auction of mine that ended May 13 and had several emails sent to her got her NPB alert a couple of days ago. her excuse was as lame as they come, been so busy vacationing off and on and keeping busy with a 4 year old...it is so amazing how busy they can keep you. "I was waiting for your end of auction notice with the amount... (Which she already replied to) and never got it. Which excuse is it? Make up your mind. I have also had two car accidents in two weeks, one mother in the hospital, one person in the hospital. And one auction that ended in April that I finally sent a NPB alert who rudely answered back. "OK, I'd like to get this cleared up. Please stop the Non-Paying Bidder process with e-Bay on this auction item. Reply to this e-mail and I'll send you a check for $13.14 as you asked, then ship me the goods. OK?"
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tiggressoflove
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posted on June 23, 2001 11:36:43 AM
i haven't had any deadbeats in about a month now.
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hwahwahwahwa
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posted on June 23, 2001 11:49:41 AM
what you sell has something to do with the number of deadbeats you get.
if you upload 5000 items a month using bulk loading software of repetitive items say those chinese limoge style boxes which the chinese made in factory for 55 cents a box minimum order of 5000 quantity,the importer/wholesaler is sitting on at least 5000 of each style which he is anxious to move through the retail channels.
if a bidder bids on yours for 9.95 and later found an identical one from another seller for 7.95,he will buy from the cheaper seller.
when he is about to leave his house to mail you a personal check for that 7.95 and saw another dealer with identical item for 6.95 or even 4.95,he could tear up that check and returned to his pc to bid on the cheaper one.
who knows there could be another one for 3.95 as distressed inventory.
wholesaler/importer could have relatives,employees or kids who buy them at 1.00 a piece and sell on ebay for 3.95 and still make a profit.
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ExecutiveGirl
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posted on June 23, 2001 01:30:32 PM
Ahhh... and the dilemmas continue!
Just received this email:
I'm sorry I was unexpectedly out of town for about a month. My mother was diagnosed with terminal cancer and developed a blood clot in her heart as soon as they started chemo. What forms of payment to you accept? At this point I have lost track.
I wonder how many of these people are really telling the truth?? With all these tragedies, you would think the human race is on its way to becoming extinct!
[ edited by ExecutiveGirl on Jun 23, 2001 01:30 PM ]
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revvassago
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posted on June 23, 2001 01:35:33 PM
No, it is just that eBay is full of diseased buyers and their families.....
And yes, that was a joke. Now laugh.
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liquid8ter on eBay
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runkpocker
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posted on June 23, 2001 05:47:56 PM
I, too, have been plagued by a lot of deadbeats lately. I'm so fed up with it all that, aside from a few relists that I have up, I'm going to take a breather from the entire mess.
Heck, after over 1000 transactions on ebay, I even took my first rubber check, for a whopping $5.26 (Plus bank fees, now.) Must be all the cell phones, they're driving people mad!
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tiggressoflove
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posted on June 23, 2001 06:26:10 PM
I did have one write to tell me that she was sorry she was late because her dad had a stroke and had been in the hospital. She sent out payment though.
I tend to send out a little card with these items with people having these tragedies, just in case. One woman's little boy was hit by a car and almost died and was in hospital. I sent some baseball cards along with her order to cheer him up. She left positive fb and said her son loved the cards and thanked me for it.
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anggellene
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posted on June 23, 2001 08:11:46 PM
I had an extremely high number of deadbeats with dead relatives last month...I was getting a little depressed reading all the emails about dead people! My email box was becoming an e-obituary.
This months seems to be business trip month - of course all say they will pay me when they return from their trip - which I would assume is to somewhere that has no mailboxes!
You really have to feel for these people who seem to have a constant black cloud over their head when they owe others money...I give everyone the benefit of the doubt but do shake my head when I read some of the excuses I get. 
The thing that upsets me the most is buyers interpreting this phrase "Payment expected within 10 days of auction's end" to mean they can mail payment on the 30th day and I should just thank my lucky stars they remembered me!
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tiggressoflove
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posted on June 23, 2001 08:30:21 PM
I have found that I get the most of my deadbeats when I put in the phrase "payment expected in X amount of days". When I don't even mention it, I get the payments within a few days.
I went 3 weeks with hardly any customers at all. Took out all the warnings about neg fb, payment in X amount of days, etc and almost all my auctions close with bids now and they pay quick. I don't intend on putting those words back in there.
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fina2000
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posted on June 23, 2001 09:21:52 PM
I definitely see an Increase in # of Non-Paying Bidders, I have to email winners several times to even get a response, a lot of Very Slow Payers. Lots of excuses. Payment must be lost in the mail, too busy with kids, don't need it anymore, plus you think with all the sick excuses there must be some kind of plague going on. Ebay should charge Non Payers Credit Cards a fee. Posting negative feedback only invites retaliation from them plus they come back again with a new clean ID. I had a Non Payer come back and bid on the same item with a new ID a few weeks later !! (this time he paid, but only after a month went by) Are we running a lay away service?
[ edited by fina2000 on Jun 23, 2001 10:36 PM ]
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jereth
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posted on June 23, 2001 10:37:41 PM
Jumpinjacko, I would LOVE to handle NPB and FVFs as you do. Yet, we continue to pay our help more-than-its-worth to file these claims for each and every one of our deadbeat bidders. One unselfish reason is that this is the single best way, I believe, to get these deadbeats OFF the eBay rosters even if for just alittle while. Three FVF filings and they're outta there.
MORE selfish reason is that I continue to hear that eBay's books may be made available to the IRS. I do not want to pay a dime more tax on sales than I am responsible for, and so I do not want eBay to carry an inflated number for my completed sales. If I was not paid I do not want to add 'insult to injury' by paying tax on these 'sales'.
FYI Marie
[email protected]
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jadejim
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posted on June 24, 2001 05:46:37 AM
It must be something in the air! I rarely have a deadbeat--perhaps 2 in the past 2 years. Right now I have two out for more than $500. The list of excuses is appalling and nothing I do or say gets any results other than them telling me they are getting right on it. Both of these folks have feedback in the 20's, have won a LOT of auctions recently and are still bidding liked crazed people.
I don't want to run the auctions again as I have never seen my hit counters so low. I'm not listing anything for a couple of weeks at least. Guess I will give them a couple more days.
The funny thing is that I had the feeling from the first email that both of these bidders would have problems with payments. And I've got one more on that list that hasn't made it to the 10 day mark but I'm crossing my fingers.
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